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This video is about 5 yrs old, nowadays 38-42 is Average (depending on region, some areas are higher) & yes its a 2 yr associate degree in engineering technology. Typically the cap is in the high 40’s, a lot of people work OT as well.

Not really (but sort of) If you become an instrumentation technician or calibration technician at a calibration company or certain industry jobs that focus only on calibration, you can end up in a lab setting. I also interviewed for a job one time that was electronics technician my duties were testing products and assisting engineers in modifying new products… that also was in a lab. Theoretically if you want to go the PLC/ automation ONLY route you could get a job doing PLC progmming.. that is technically more of an engineering job and may be hard to get a job with just an associates and no experience. Probably not impossible but challenging for aure

Well, I can just offer advice based off my experience… I really don’t think you have to go back to school. When I was working at Nestlé, my supervisor was an automation engineer and he actually had his degree in chemical. We also had this guy who was a “project engineer”. He had his degree in mechanical, but he kind of did a little bit of everything. I worked with him on some projects… he would like draw a schematics and give them me and I would go out in the field and wire everything up and then I would “redline it” or make corrections. On one project he had me write up some lines of logic, but he was pretty familiar and was actively learning it. Long story short I’m pretty sure you can organically just learn those skills and then transition that way in your career, the mechanical engineering degree is a great way to get a foot in the door . We can always supplement with some certificate from international society of automation or something similar . You’re gonna have to gain skills through the job experience so look for engineering jobs that do both. Its thats simple

@gregroche7323 Awesome, thanks for the reply! Yeah I'm at the moment just hunting for any experience to do, so it was good to read this.. Have a good one 👍

God dang that’s freaking awesome my thirds nowadays I get like $2 lol

Per our contact, 1st shift (12a-8a) gets 30 cents, 3rd shift (4p-12a) gets 25 cents :(

Dang lol.. the most ive ever seen was 5% 2nd 3rd was 10%, that was for a company that had a nasa contract worked out to like 2-5 $ most places have a shitty shift diff. I think nurses get a good shift diff usually if im not mistaken

Upgraded to geek bar lately

I recommend it for sure, I like it & it changed my life for sure. I’m hesitant to comment on the job market in different regions but where i am there is a shortage of workers in i&e, most companies have trouble filling electrical technician or i& e technician jobs. I always warn people that when you first get your degree and don’t have any experience it can be a little bit challenging to get a foot in the door somewhere, companies are a little bit hesitant to hire someone with no experience so that’s the biggest negative . If it’s possible, I would talk to the people at the school you’re going to and see if they can help you get a job while you’re in there the place I went to help me get my first job to get some experience and then ever since then I’ve had recruiters reaching out to me Weekly basically. But yeah, overall, I would definitely recommend it if you want any more specific questions answered if be happy to, find me on LinkedIn

But yea you should do it lol especially if you work in a higher paying region, its a better career than most imo

Thank you for the nice comment… This is my best performing video. I’m definitely trying to make another one that will have similar results having a little trouble lol

@@siphomayisela288 I don’t think I understand the question A1 is where the 120 V goes into the coil of the relay, the voltage is consumed through the coil and once that line comes out on a2 it is neutral. You then run that neutral wire through normally closed contacts on the overload relay. As long as the overload is happy that circuit continues (all still neutral on the OL contacts). Let me put in another way if you’re overload contact is happy. It allows circuit to run through it and behaves the same as attaching A2 directly to the neutral coming into the panel(running back to the source of power) when the OL trips that normally closed contact gets opened up and the neutral from A2 gets interrupted(like cutting the wire with sciszors) and never gets back to the power feed releasing the coil and turning off the starter. Everything after a2 is neutral (making it slightly harder to teat by the way you have to pur your thinking cap on a bit) If they didn’t answer your question rephrase it I’m happy to help

Yeah, I hear ya. I’m kind of speculating. I don’t know in practice how well that works. Never really try. I’ve interviewed for a few engineering jobs over the years, but never got one.

I hear ya yeah they go hand-in-hand pretty much… Do you have a lot of industrial work in your area?

@ I have allot of instrumentation work in my area here and in texas is where the most for instrumentation is. My teacher told me for Industrial maintenance allot of the work up is up north. But right when I went back to school a Amazon company called me. I couldn’t even take it

Yeah, that makes sense. Well, if you ever need any input, I’m happy to help you know where to find me.

Yea find me on LinkedIn or if u dnt have one email me at greg.roche55@gmail.com Im happy to answer any questions i can

I agree that’s a good one, especially if you have specialized equipment or like work with proprietary control stuff

@@codewithzyn it’s a good question I really don’t. ISA has some good information. I would suggest taking a look at the job opportunities in your area . They generally call it I&E(electrical) rather than I&C. There are a lot of different job titles that require a similar skillset. FYI a lot of the jobs are either called electrical technician or automation technician & generally focus a bit more on the controls troubleshooting aspect. If you look at my channel, I have a a lot of information in different videos. I would suggest looking through them. You’ll learn pretty much everything you need to know.. A bit of warning it is somewhat difficult to get your first job out of school with no experience so I would suggest speaking with the people that run the degree program at the school you’re going to and ask them how their graduates do finding work and if they will help you get a job . The school i went to literally found us all part time jobs in the area while we were in school so when we graduated we all had experience. Other than that, I really don’t know what to tell you there’s not a lot of information out there . There’s pros and cons to being a technician, but it is generally pretty nice. If you have specific questions, I’m happy to answer them. Find me on LinkedIn.

@@gregroche7323 I really appreciate it. This helped alot, currently working on my resume and this made it alot easier for me to tailor it to what people are looking for.

Yeah, unfortunately, there is no part-time opportunities out there. I would love to one day work for myself as a contractor going to factories when they’re having issues or they wanna do some calibrations one day maybe

@@KensRetirementLife also it’s the same if anything worse now because a lot of the technicians either are retiring now or have retired in the last few years many open positions at least in my area

Send me an email greg.roche55@gmail.com If you have a LinkedIn profile, find me on there it’s I prefer that, but if not, use the email

@gregroche7323 okay Thank you

@@michaelgarfias1744 yeah I would love to no problem at all. If you find me on LinkedIn and send me a message I’ll give you my number through there. If you don’t have LinkedIn, let me know. I’ll put my email on here.

Yea thats a good question man… idk i remember my first full time job, it was quite a shock just to work that much. Idk its one of those things where you wont really understand what its like until you get there. My 1st I&E job i was super nervous they were going to fire me for months. I didn’t have any experience so i was worried, I would say within 6 months i was very valuable to the company. This shit is significantly less stressful than fast food & probably construction too. If you have at least an average iq you will be fine. If you are above average intelligence you should excel after a few months of experience. Most of the issues are repetitive & for the ones that arent all industrial machines were designed to be easily fixed. Rely on co workers, if you can’t rely on them use owner’s manual of equipment and dont be afraid to call the technical support numbers, thats a big life hack. To answer your question at times the job is challenging mentally, thats what makes it fun & its not super ridiculous everything has an answer in controls and automation youll get there

Yea thats a great idea if you can get your hands on some i/p transducers that would be sick, have you figured out what kind of controller you are using??

@gregroche7323 In my area at work we mostly use Honeywell Universal single loop controllers like the UDC3500. Old right? Haha

@@ceceliahaden5817 your welcome.. what career you considering??

Thats nice, i agree some places are BAD depending on who is in charge

Yeah, I kinda like that. In a lot of ways. It’s like an entry-level job, but you can actually make a lot of money. No need to “grow up”

Yes thank you.. the robotic playground🥸

Yeah, the associates in engineering technology(assuming thats what you will get) usually lines up pretty decently with the bachelors and engineering. You may have to retake a few classes… I got lucky the place I went through lines up pretty good with bachelors degrees but yeah, sometimes you will get a few classes you have to retake. It’s pretty difficult to get the motivation to go back and finish your bachelors. I’m currently contemplating that myself. I just don’t know if I’d rather be an engineer than a tech. That’s my only hold up.

Absolutely, I’m happy to help anyway. If you have LinkedIn just search Greg Roche Cleveland, and you should be able to find me pretty quickly. If you don’t have LinkedIn, let me know. I can post my email on here and you can send me an email and I’ll give you my phone number through there.

@@gregroche7323 yes pls give me ur email cuz my LinkedIn is on review rn

Linkedin- greg roche automation i should pop right up. If you dont have linked in let me know i can put my email address on here.

Just go on LinkedIn search greg roche Cleveland or greg roche automation, send me a message i can point you in the right direction

Yeah, every now and again people keep playing that. It’s hard for them to get a job right genuinely believe those people just aren’t trying hard enough… everyone that ever reached out pretty much had a job within a month or two I think they just don’t know how to fill out all the applications or where to look. Some people just don’t really try maybe they apply for four or five jobs and give up but with technology now you can apply for 20 or 30 jobs in an hour easily

@ for my field there were only three or four available within an hours drive. That’s all I could apply for at the time. I had to wait for a friend of mine to leave her position so I could take it with her recommendation.

Yeah, that’s a good point I mean I don’t really know what the job markets like in other areas. I just know what it’s like here. I’m kind of in an industrial area.

I don’t know it all depends on where you work usually you can. Some places have a lot of emergency repairs and some places it’s almost none. It just depends on the company no matter where you’re at. You’re gonna prioritize your duties and usually it’s pretty lenient in my experience. So yeah generally it doesn’t matter if you get PMs done on time if other things are going on, calibrations have a more rigid due daye. Depending on what you are calibrating some things will shit diwn production if they aren’t done on time I.E. toxic gas detectors, thermocouples in food production stuff like that. In my opinion, that’s one of the benefits of finding a job where there is a wide variety it never really gets old

You can quit i think “contract” means they can only fire you for certain reasons. They would probably want someone with an A.S. Degree and probably some experience

@@gregroche7323yeah that’s what everyone wants. Even for the entry level roles. I have a BSCIS and shortly a certificate in “Automation”. Getting experience is the hard part.

Yeah, I’ve worked with some people that do that. Honestly, I’ve never really tried it. I just know that I like to have my time off in a chunk rather than half-and-half if that makes sense.

For most second shifters, the work hours at this point in time are 2pm - 11pm 5 days a week with two days off after. Wake up around 10am for breakfast two or 3 hours later have lunch and then leave for work. Or you can sleep till about 11am or 12pm and then have a meal and leave for work depending on how long your commute will take. Bedtime if you have decent self-control would ideally be 2 or 3am. Don't forget to allow time for a shower before work if you don't want your co-workers complaining that you smell.

I always did it differently. I would go to bed as soon as I got home and get up as early as possible. I know that’s not the norm… I actually just got changed to third shift against my will fortunately it’s actually more enjoyable in my opinion, I have all my free time back and I just sleep when other people are working. My son can take naps with me while I’m sleeping for the night and then when I wake up my wife is there waiting for me it’s pretty cool.

Dang, that’s a good question and be honest I’m not exactly sure. Personally ive done a fair amount of PLC programming professionally but never “from scratch”, always modifying existing programs or upgrading old PLC programs to new software and hardware versions. A PLC programmer position would generally be called systems integrator, automation engineer, controls engineer or of course “PLC programmer”. The demand is high and there aren’t a lot of skilled younger people in this area. I have eight years of experience and I’m pretty sure I would be able to get one of those titles… im not certain though ive never tried. If I had to guess I would say an A.S. Degree + some experience is enough but im not certain. If you get the AS you are looking at 80-100k base woth some difficulty getting a foot in the door. With an engineering bachelor’s I would say 100-130 base with less difficulty. Beyond that i cant really answer the question

Also I would say a b.s. in computer science would be slightly less effective that an engineering degree that focuses on industrial automation. When candidates have a bachelor’s in any engineering discipline it is easier to get an interview for engineering roles. Realistically I would be a lot better than a very large portion of engineering graduates but I am not sure if big companies think like that

You will still be younger than 80% of the techs😂 i am the youngest electrical tech at my company by over 20 years lol. Regardless in my opinion there is no such thing as too old for anything. When i went to school for electrical power engineering technology (A.S.) we were all working adults with the average age around 30 i say go for it

@gregroche7323 wow!! Thanks for the advice!! I really appreciate it!! I enjoy your content and it's really easy to understand!! 😎🤙🏻

Glad to hear that it helped

Yeah, I one hundred percent agree with everything you said you probably put it better than me. Second shift is OK but definitely not great. Kind of sucks but there’s parts of it that are a lot easier. I’m back on second shift again I was on 1st for a while. Definitely a work shift. I feel like that now but the same time it’s more relaxed. I don’t really feel like I’m going to work. I just feel like I’m going to hang out that makes sense. I do stay busy for most of the shift but i don’t get stressed at all

Thats a good question lol I don’t really know. I would assume an analyzer tech would be solely calibration and instrument repairs. Instrumentation tech means calibration but a lot of times they are expected to do some automation and controls troubleshooting as well. Honestly i dont really know onow the answer to your question we dont have analyzer techs in my area. Maybe someone will see this question and answer it

If you have electrician experience an ISA cert would certainly be helpful to transition to instrumentation & electrical. What is your background?

Im planning in it… unfortunately i do not own the equipment used for tc simulation etc but i can do a basic “insitu” calibration write up the cal sheets etc its all pretty straightforward. I will do that video withon a month my friend

@@no_one_from_nowhere No problem what’s your situation? Are you in school?

@ I’m on my final 2 classes right now and then I graduate. I’ve been feeling a bit nervous about how this is going to go, but honestly I really love my motors and controls class I’m in right now and I’d be happy doing it for the rest of my life. Being a Technician for a factory doesnt sound too bad.

@@no_one_from_nowhere yea its a chill job honestly, some places are super slow borderline boring. I would start applying if i were you… im happy to coach tou thru the process if you want its a hobby of mine you can find me on LinkedIn with any questions

@@Smessenger97 Like five years ago the company I was working out. Let me take away a control panel that they were gonna throw in the trash so that’s how I got some of the stuff and then I’ve just slowly acquired all the other stuff overtime… I don’t have much might buy a POC with the money I get for these videos if I can get a couple more traffic I’m making like 50 bucks a month right now.

I have a lot of hobby grade sensors that I used with an Arduino that I got off Amazon, but I would like to get a PLCE with analog inputs, and use some industrial sensors in the future

Yeah that’s what I got bro. I got my aas at a school that had some relationships with local industries. Some ppl did part time internships at water utilities during their 1st year(thats what i did) some ppl did the same with the power company (FPL) and some did it with sikorsky helicopters. Generally the requirement is an AAS degree but if you have some form of experience your odds at least double so I would say uea you are in a good position. I was able to land a “good” (shit pay, great experience) instrumentation and electrical tech job during my 2nd year of my AAS

​@@gregroche7323awesome, thanks so much! It's such a niche area of work I've had a hard time finding where to even start.

@gregroche7323 what specific area did you study?

Yea i hear you. Ill give you some tips. I studied electrical power technology in the school of engineering at a community college. You will have a very difficult time imo finding a part time internship for while you are in school unless someone at the school hooks you up so ask them about that. Job titles vary, if you want to research job outlook in your area start woth electrical technician in your search, automation, search the word plc. Electromechanical technician or maintenance technician is really like the other half of what we do. Doesn’t hurt to apply for those roles and see what they are all about. I would say less than half of the I& E technician jobs are called I&E technician if that makes sense. Make a linkedin profile and put some buzzwords in your profile/ resume & recruiters for jobs that aren’t posted will reach out to you. I know that was a bit of a rant, but you said you don’t know where to start that’s where you start set up a tour of the degree you want to get and talk to the professors about the career path. If you do all these things you will be golden my friend

@@gregroche7323 thank you so much!! I appreciate the help and the videos!