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Now I can't grief big slow ships . Wah wah wah

avenger one is a twat

I wonder what you think of it now. The weapons got better, the rest still stands true imho.

This flightmodel is absolute dogshit (3.23). I have 2 sticks, pedal and headtracking system. But all you need now is a atari 2600 controller.... what a shame for this beautiful game😢

Sadly it needs a lot of work. Kinda iffy about the capitols having a higher top speed. So long as it takes longer to get there with higher fuel burn and capacity then I might be all for it. So everythign else is spot on.

What have they done to my eclipse!? Jesus they killed so bad one of the best game loop. MM is shit

No more high skill fight control to destroy your enemy, off angle circle fighting is also completely useless cause your op can just reverse and unless you want no guns and shields you cant push past and get around them. Thanks cig

This video should have 100k views... It's pathetic what CIG is doing. Concierge since 2013, no ace pilot but loving to fly and improving my skills aka loving games where skill is the limit, and not some artificial unrealistic blockers to make it more accessible for players who gonna hop to the next big game within a few months anyway. Same shit happened to Battlefield when EA tried to get all the COD kiddies over, downhill since. MM is like Crazy Chicken in space. Never had so little fun in SC the past 10y like now.

So after all these years, and all this money, they will stop thinking outside the box. Here is your character creator, be who you wanna be in the verse…. I watched the Avenger 1 video back when it come out, he had concerns about all these points and it is exactly how I feel after playing 3.23. Thank you for the video!

This scorp gameplay is so juicy. Good content and I agree, the old flight mode was more punishing but more enjoyable, fair and natural

Whah whah whah.

They did this to make their AI better. 😀 I've been playing eptu, and MM has certainly taken the fun out of it You are correct about arbitrarily limiting combat speed being SO unrealistic! They need to raise the speed across the board and then make ships different and adjustable.

Man bruh they about to ruin the game

100% agree. what can we do about it, it's aweful.

I don't comment often on yt but I have to say, Master Modes is an abomination of a flight model - not only in combat. Industrial ships are f'ed without shields in NAV mode when they come out of quantum at a OM-marker and get jumped. Let alone how annoying the mining loop has become with the constant need to switch between NAV and SCM mode because mining mode is tied to SCM mode. This new flight model took inspiration from Elite Dangerous and added a whole lot of tedium and bad design decisions to it.

Thank you for this! I agree 100%. MMs are a deal breaker for me.

Damn, I wish I could like this video a thousand times!!!

Here's a suggestion I have to CIG, make flight instructor a profession! I personally would absolutely love to do that profession.

tbh i wanna see cargo ship in this kind of convo...its always light fighers and cap ships... oh well

Thank you for your break down, I definitely will post this video everywhere.

MM ruins the space flight experience and removes the depth of flight. Whatever combat changes on weapons and firing cones is secondary to me, even the speeds to a certain degree, but the fact you can overboost the speed limit now and then get slowed down giving you the feel of atmospheric drag, and the removing of tri-cording and tri-rotating are killing the space flight experience. So do we really want a arcadey combat, staring at each other and see who has the better ship/loadout? 10:25 exactly, I came to SC from Elite for that reason.

The removing of bed logging then master mode what are they trying to do

I got to try MM not long ago and I agree with you on a lot of these points. MM is for sure not the correct direction for the game everyone expected.

Dude why should a weightless big ship with no drag in space with huge engines that can get it out of gravity accelerate slower it would be the opposite the ship with the most thrust force would be the fastest in space to turning would be slower but straight line reclaimer and 890j should go 0 to max speed faster than any other ship in space now slowing them down would need to flip the ship to get full get same slow down speed but no small ship should be able to match the thrust output so should be left in the dust in space. irl pirates attack a reclaimer it would just go full throttle and be gone max speed in 1-2 sec by the time the other ship hit full speed be way out of range and hitting qt drive as soon as they where seen on radar

Relatively new player perspective here: i have been able to try both old model and MM, and i like MM much more. It just feels better. So, i am pretty happy with what is going on.

100%. I'm of the opinion that master modes should be thrown in the garbage, right alongside hover mode. if they want to improve the flight model, do so with tweaks to the current flight model. to me and many others, it has felt good since it was implemented. I'm not sure I'm even interested in this game any more if master modes becomes the new permanent flight model. and aside from dog fighting, master modes makes racing feel like shit. I'll even go as far as saying landing mode sounds stupid to me, there is already a throttle limiter if you need it, and I like going in for hot landings and bleeding speed at the last second, it's satisfying. master modes removes anything fun/skill based from the game for me.

I just got into wave 1 PTU for 3.23 and I'm ready to quit the game. I didn't do any AC master modes. Now, not only do I have to learn master modes, I ahve to learn the whole new HUD, which is underwhelming. I honestly think the people at CIG have never played many space sims or flight sims. The loss of a cruise control for a K&M guy like me makes landing at at a station a chore. I guess I could put my landing gear down to further limit possible speed. Still, I hate the master modes flight model, as you talked about in your video. I agree there was a problem with the over tricording light fighters, but I don't think the current MM is the answer at all. My suggestion would be use the power triangle. From 33% to 100% engine begins to increase your above SCM speed, but proportionately reduces shields (immediately, not after they are hit) and regen, as well as reducing weapons. 100% engine is require to quantum, at which point the player has no weapons power and no regen of shields.

I’ve spent $1k on star citizen and I swear on my life I’m quitting if they don’t fix this bull shit fake ass flight mechanic

This is a good video. There are other issues that could be addressed regarding MM, but the essential points seem to have been analyzed properly.

Excellent analysis with practical implications and counter-points. I'm hopeful that CIG does indeed see this and take your thoughts into consideration.

Good video overall. I agree with your points for the most part, though I wish you had been a bit more specific in some places, and later in the video it is unclear whether your combat footage is from Live or Master Modes. The other thing I would tell you is that while making videos is great and all, if you want to get CIG's attention you need to make a post on Spectrum. Don't just post your video to Spectrum, take the highlights of your video, make good use of bold, underline and bullet points, and CIG will listen to you. Seriously, I've only posted on Spectrum like 4 times, and my concerns have been directly addressed at least twice. I post in the "Gameplay" section. It's the perfect section for most ideas/feedback.

Did you really have to rotate so much? Made me dizzy.

Nah MM is a lot more fun. After s lot of testning, i would 100% have MM over this shit now.

@cig

The only point I disagree with is where master modes is partially a solution to server performance. CIG has spent long enough pushing the limits as to what they're tech can do, so now they must make a game with what they currently have. Unless you can propose a current solution to server ping and degradation, there is no reason to use that as a point against master modes. I also feel way more engaged in master modes than what you suggest. It is still way more engaging than Starfield, and is still waiting on engineering. CIG may have a bad reputation, but they seem to be aiming in the right direction now. They also have access to way more data on these topics than any of us do. I say let the painters paint, and judge when it is actually done.

This. Everything you said is what ive been saying. Its blowing my mind feedback isnt holding the release back. Its like they are forcing us to except the suck.

wait until all the ships are available before you make any assessment.thats all im saying. the meta is gunna change in a massive way ,and not in the way the "big ship" guys think it is. be careful what you wish for. :)

The game died for me basically with 3.14 when they removed instant regen for shields.

That's a lot of conjecture based on the first-pass of a new system...

I've been playing since the hanger modules came out. The first thing that really annoyed me was how short your detection ranges are for ships. Why can't my radar see a prospector further than 5km away? Then the missiles were crap. It all was just very immersion breaking for me. I feel like these super slow speeds will just completely pull me out of the game. I guess we're getting them regardless so its just going to be testing. One common complaint I've seen is how fights currently won't come to a conclusion since you can just tri-cord away when your shields are low. Maybe the fix for that would just be faster and more deadly missiles instead of making the spaceships slower than actual current day aeroplanes

Master Modes removes the current skill based flight in combat in favor of making combat "more accessible" to new players.

Really good video. Appreciate the nuance and genuine tone. Not enough of that going around lately. I get the "less accessible to new players" angle, and while the idea has some merit, it's very obvious to see how much more accessible combat will be now. There are so many people, some that have played SC for years, who just can't get the hang of dogfighting, and feel so punished by failure that they became hopeless and quit. The learning curve and overall model is just incredibly intuitive with MM, so a lot of those people are now having more fun flying with MM in AC alone. I'm not, but they are, and those people make up a much larger part of the playerbase than people like me. Not to mention the swathes of new players in the future who will have a really great starting point now. Yeah the ceiling is lower, way lower, but the old model is literally ridiculous. I spent my first year in SC dominating PU servers solo in a C8X. It's an actual joke. So it's clearly a much needed change, and net positive for the game, but definitely does need some tuning. Also, a whole set of other systems are set to come in within the next year or so like Maelstrom, Engineering, etc. so plenty of opportunities to raise that ceiling back up in different ways. Just sayin.

SC has always been an arcade game, nothing it does its sim or sim like, and their fights, on all interactions since live PU have been arcade, you are fighting pewpew WWII style at 1200ms (a limited speed) whit limited ranges, orbital warfare should be more like shooting people btwn 72.000km and 5000km, heavily relying on electronics warfare and orbital mechanics warfare. Bringing "gib realism" to SC its like WT players akisng for DCS realism, is not part of SC and if ever used it could kill the game, guys, you couldn't even take hover mode, a basic hover mode based on real chopper mechanics lol

You seriously believe this was not intended to lower the skill ceiling? WOW! The entire reason they created master modes was for EXACTLY that reason!!! You really have no clue what you are talking about!

The problem for me is that y'all keep saying this or that scenario is typical but don't have the data that CIG does to back it up. We don't know in what scenarios you're perceiving these patterns or how aware you are that it matters. Like, what I'm hearing is that being a gunner is MORE satisfying, not less. We're just battling with anecdotes filtered through our own values and biases. We añso don't know how changes in component choice and engineering will effect all this. 🤷🏿‍♂️

I am by no means an ace dogfighter and despite having done a lot of PVP in many other games, most Star Citizen PVPers will roll over me at my current skill level. Despite that though, I still think the current LIVE flight model absolutely destroys Master Modes on account of MM just completely sucking the big one for almost too many reasons to list. It actually reminds me of original *_Afterburner_* ffs. lol Everything in this video is accurate based on my experience with MM so far. Hopefully this gets through to CIG.

Master modes is 100% intended to make the game dumbed down for mass adoption. So they can sell more copies to a wider audience and not have to deal with a bunch of people asking for a refund because the game is too hard. Unfortunately the people who paid for the game to exist backed a skill based game. I can ask for a refund now though on the legitimate reason that they promised us one thing and sold us another.

Please CIG listen to this ! <3

Constructive and on point, thank you! Greets from germany --> eXpG_Pham_Nuwen :-D

LOL, you lost me when you to tried to argue that a "DPS race" is not a dogfight. Every fight is DPS race. Firstest with the Mostest has been a military maxim for just about ever. Most real dogfights using guns end when someone achieves a firing solution. You can argue that such results are too fast to make for fun game play, but don't claim that the interaction is not a dogfight. But kudos for getting in every other pejorative buzz word.