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Oh for sure. For Goten and Trunks. Its hard not to conflate in universe explanations, and silly writing, but I feel it doesn't excuse the in universe explanation that Goten and Trunks are prodigies, and the writing choice for that being a silly gag from Toriyama. Which I DO find hilarious, dont get me wrong, seeing Goten as a tot go Ssj sparring with Chi Chi, I just don't like the fact that in universe, the reason for Goten being able to do that, is he is a prodigy, arguably a greater one than Gohan

@@michaeleanthonyjr Interesting thoughts. I do mostly agree. I will say, the prodigies being a thing in OG, doesn’t excuse the over use of the concept later down the line. Even in the latest chapters of Super that came out months ago, we still see this affect at play with characters like Frieza Black and Broly. Even Beast Gohan I would argue is a power up from mostly a prodigious reason

@@katorro7429 Yeah I agree that it is a problem and I don't intend to excuse it. I moreso intended to highlight that this issue is prevalent throughout the story and that characters being prodigies is a symptom and not a cause. It's because the characters need to have justification for being strong enough to challenge a hard working character who constantly reaches new heights. And what better way to justify it than to say that they're just really strong because of genetics?

@@michaeleanthonyjr I couldn't have worded it better my friend

@@katorro7429 You legend

@@katorro7429 If you've ever heard of Hinomaru Zumou, that manga is a good example of how most of the relevant characters can be prodigies without it having issues of power creep

@@greensjourney7380 Yes, but he gets insanely stronger through minimal training, because he is a prodigy. He went from barely Blue Goku level, all the way up past Ultra Instinct, cos he got angry. (This is while he was doing little to no training)

Yea, Fred Bear unironically solos both of these guys with no diff lol

balls nights in dragvity fives

​@@katorro7429you need to post a second video on this where they do a rap battle

@@theslaya1576 haha, that would be silly

Poor picolo and krillin too.

@@amiranwary517 You are absolutely right.

@@BigBossIvan yeah dude, I mean Picolo could have been on ss2 level by now and krillin at ss1 at least

Personally i think he is a very enjoyable character. He is not the greatest but his failures make his power more bearable considering he is not the mc. He is very well done and fleshed out for a "failed" character. How relatively little accomplishes for his power helps drive home the point of how there is a limit to what a warrior can do without being a natural fighter

He accomplishes

@@ishhyho Future Trunks is next so I hope ur not a fan of him either 😭

@@katorro7429 😭😭😭

@@vanmanstan42069 right! I’ve seen some people say Goku is the same way, but at least we get foreshadowing for Gokus new forms, only time we got foreshadowing for a Gohan form was SSJ2

When Gohan was a kid, he never displayed a distain for fighting. Sure he was scared in some cases, but he was eager to train in others, and took on enemies way stronger than him with not a hint of fear. gohans character was changed along the way in my opinion, to push that narrative for the cell arc. Also i DID say this is an anime only video, no manga elements SHOULD be included. if they are, that is my mistake. im new to this : D

@@katorro7429 No worries. He just mentioned he just wanted to be a scholar, part of that is Chi Chi was pushing it on him, so that had something to do with it, but he was just very gentle and didn't have an aggressive nature for fighting like Goku does, even though he's gentle, too. But Gohan just only fought when he had no other choice, rather than for fun, like Goku does. ^^ Although when he does have a big power boost, he does have a tendency to get arrogant or let his guard down in both the manga and anime, when he fought Cell and Buu, but he has humbled himself a bit.

@@Yabuturtle yea, admittedly I’m not too knowledgeable on the manga beats, I appreciate some insight on that. Maybe I will make a video comparing the two gohans in the manga and anime 🤔

Yes, it’s crazy how strong he is in the manga

He said "anime only"

thanks captain obvious

@@darionblack4434 So what’s the point of this video then if it’s so obvious. He said the writers choose the ladder when it’s been clear from the very start what gohan wanted to be

@@Darkwing4LYes Gohan also is not in control of wether he was going to be a fighter or not. It’s fiction after all. He isn’t really making his own decisions

problem with this is that we're hardly ever shown gohan's reluctant to fight only time gohan's ever stated this was at his character introduction and then like two arc's later when he's fighting cell between that he's always shown battle ready regardless of the situation

@@lightyoshiman exactly! it was only bolstered in the cell arc that Gohan had any distain for fighting