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I don’t know if the OP1 8K counts as budget but I would take a look at that or the DAV3 wired, otherwise I would probably prefer to save or buy a superlight 1

@@nahhkkid Ahh I see thanks :D appreciate it ;)

@@beezito atk x1 or vxe r1 pro

Brand of skates

@@nahhkkidgotcha, I have the Logitech g pro (non-superlight), with superglide glass skates. Do you think an artisan zero xsoft, would still be too fast for the slightly heavier mouse?

You would probably get used to the Zero if you give it enough time, for me i do prefer something slower for consistency. If you want something that feels premium and is good enough in terms of control I wouldn't worry and just buy the zero. Maybe think about what you want out of a new pad compared to your old one and go from there? For a heavier mouse maybe soft would be better. I would be worried about the xsoft feeling too sinky. I don't have much experience with glass skates so I don't want to comment there. I wouldnt worry about it too much and What you think you will like more will probably be right for you

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I'll will try mh best to describe it, I dont think its that similar, the hump feels lower and a little bit wider - I think the mouse being shorter also plays a part here. There is a bit more support on the edges of your palm, but it sticks into your palm less if that makes sense. I haven't had any experience with the op1 so I can't comment there, sorry.

No I will have a look when I have time, trying out Zowie U2 ATM...

​@@nahhkkidu2 video coming? Been loving it for cs2

Sorry for the late reply - if that's the case and you don't plan to travel or change monitors, then that would be a good option too. Maybe only slightly worse as the springs on the end of the oryza give you a little more of a seamless feeling if that makes sense

Really?

@@郭懷壬 i have the equate + v2 it has the control but it really inconsistent. You wont glide out of your game to ther other monitor, it's not that bad. But you'll undershoot or overshoot constantly.

just use an arm sleeve

@@owca6666 no.

Agreed, compared to my hien soft it's nearly double faster to my otsu mid(wear might have something to contribute but its the fastest pad I've ever used) about as fast as a cloth pad can get i'd imagine

otsu mid with glass skates, is it an issue aiming in apex? I play apex exclusively and looking for the fastest combo without sacrificing control over those long distance recoil control.

@@Ru2x i actually switched back to my my hien. I dont have the greatest mouse control, but my precision really suffered when i played valorant. I felt like there was both no stopping power, but also a high amount of friction to creat micro adjustments. Not a great combo imo, vs my hien which has decent stopping power and low friction for micros.

@@Ru2x if you're the type of player that could control a hard pad easily, but want slight more control and comfort its great, but if you're used to normal cloth pads it will feel quite fast ngl

Sorry i want to buy hayate otsu mid , it is good for high sens in valo ? Want more control ofc

I have both hien soft (2 years) and otsu v2 xsoft (1year) and I think its kinda weird but a new hien is maybe a little faster than otsu but after few months of heavy use it become a little slower and less slippery than otsu and also a decent amount less abrasive (smoother to the skin - otsu from the start smooth to skin), probably the grit and more hard texture to skin makes hien faster, anyway now I feel otsu a bit faster (also it has a bit more slippery feeling than hien) becasue I used it less then maybe it will be slower to the point of hien, so I like both hien is a little better for tac shooter and otsu kinda for tracking heavy, in the end I think you can get used to both but hien is a little slower with more stopping power after the grit texture wears off, so if you prefer a little more stopping power and smoother to skin feel you can try to swipe towel on whole surface of the hien to speed the process I described before. ( Im not sure rougher than towel thing is safe for your pad ) hope I helped.

Soft is in between, pick soft or xsoft (more thick)

I got the tiger arc 2 gpx skates and hayate otsu xsoft recently. I got it because I wanted more speed than the zero but also keep the control of it as well. It's been great and I think it's the perfect pad for me

I have the GPX2 and Deathadder V3, both with Tiger Ice glides and both work absolutely perfect on the Hayate Otsu XSoft. I also have the Soft version but i like the XSoft more. The XSoft has the advantage that it has a little bit more drag what gives you more stopping power and you can choose the level of stopping power. When you hold your mouse really light you can glide easy and has a good amount of stopping power but when you flick and want to almost instantly stop you can press on the mouse and the mouse will sunk in the Otsu. At first it was really odd for me but after a couple of days it grows on me and now i love it. The Soft on the other hand is a bit faster and splippier than the XSoft and you can't really press the mouse in. All Otsus are more or less control pads and slower than the Hien. I tested almost 100 mousepads over 3 decades and the Otsus are by far the best in my opinion and the only pads that nailed the speed in all directions.

@@iPain3Ghey thank you for this! I’m looking into buying an otsu but really hesitating between xsoft and normal soft. After 3 months do you still stand on what you said? Also what do you think would be the pros of soft vs xsoft? Thanks again:)

I usually follow this video from Zowie ruclips.net/video/PlEIKihyw34/видео.html

The soft should technically be faster because if you push into your mouse pad, it slows down a bit, and with xsoft that is easier to do. Since the fabric on the top is the same between the bases, the difference speed is very slightly slower on the xsoft. That is the main difference and concern imo. So I would think about whether or not you tend to press into your mousepad or not (intentionally or not). I think however, for the hayate otsu specifically though I would lean towards xsoft, as the particular weave of the fabric makes the pad feel a little bit firmer, and I found XSoft otsu to be closer to a Zero soft with a Zero xsoft being even softer. That is my personal experience so keep that in mind. Since you mentioned you use a Zero soft, I would recommend the xsoft otsu if you don't mind something a little bit plusher and the soft otsu if you want something a little bit firmer. I hope this didn't confuse you and helps cheers. Also I know hausgaming had a video on specifically the otsu xsoft so this might be helpful, describing how he used the extra plush of the mousepad to his advantage: ruclips.net/video/76FZmsncPRs/видео.htmlsi=PMAryBf3j9jp55DV

I have a Zowie GSR SE red. Could you tell me how the softness compares with the xsoft and soft cause i very much like the pushiness of the GSR. Thanks!

What are you looking for compared to your current pad and what do you think your preferences are? Maybe that can help you make a decision based on what my reviews and other reviews say about new mousepads and direct you towards something you will enjoy. They're two different pads for different purposes imo. If you mainly play a lot of csgo and val maybe get the gsrse or artisan zero for more control. If you play games like apex or like something faster than the average pad maybe the otsu if you like a little bit of texture or the energon pro or Raiden if you like something smooth. If you want a safe bet that can do it all, I would maybe still get an artisan zero in soft or any of the similar pads that have come out since (like the Saturn pro, Pulsar es2). Even though these pads are on the control side of speed, they will probably serve you well enough for everything.

​@@nahhkkid hey, at first thanks for this answer. My Maingame is csgo... i check many reviews from the Artisan-Zero but for this price i dont know... you prefer the soft more than the xsoft? ... is the black one "better" or the same like the orange?.

@@dreamy6340 I think soft is better all round, a little bit more consistent, XSoft will have more stopping power but you might not like having your mouse push into the mousepad if you are more heavy handed. XSoft is very comfy to use though. The orange is the same as the black, there isn't a difference. I think if you're using something like a QCK Heavy, that's a perfectly fine mousepad if you don't have any issues with it. Having an Artisan is nice but it's not like I play wildly better on it because it's a mousepad. But from a value perspective, I would say an Artisan is for sure expensive but not a bad value, the mousepad definitely delivers from a quality standpoint. They feel premium and last a long time. But maybe newer pads like the zero with similar quality have come out in your region that are a bit cheaper? Like the Pulsar ES2, Endgame Gear EM-C, Lethal gaming gear Saturn Pro (if that is in stock). All would have great build and be solid options for CS. Since you mentioned CS, I definitely still consider the GSR-SE Rouge. It's a little pricey but it's very well suited to CS, even though the other pads have better build. This is my opinion from my experiences so you might not agree but I hope it helps.

which type of u hien do u have, is it the soft?

@@kenziebagindo9519 Have one in soft and one in xsoft, the soft is my favorite, but it got worn down so much after 3 years that I main the xsoft now. Soft is still the best imo

@@kenziebagindo9519 in his comment he says he has the hien xsoft, i also have one

How did you get past the abrasiveness? I Just got one by accident a couple hours ago and I love how the mouse feels on it but its distractingly scratchy on my wrist and fingertips (I play fingertip grip on arc tracking heavy games so theres a lot of constant skin on mousepad contact/movement) Will I get used to it or should I just send it back and order an otsu if its still bothersome in the next couple days of trying out out? (albeit lightly so i dont void the return warranty)

@@ravencl I wear a hoodie since it's pretty cold where I am all year round so I never really notice since it's my hoodie in contact with the pad, as well as the fact that I use a claw grip so I don't touch it. I would say if you're really bothered by it, it's probably best to wait until the end of the return period for now, but pads like a lamzu energon pro or artisan raiden xsoft offer surprisingly similar glide characteristics while avoiding the rough surface, and the energon pro has the added benefit of being cheaper and having promo codes for 10% off

Didn't like mid base, it was consistent but didn't stick as well and wasn't as comfortable as XSoft (+ little bit more stopping power from softer base). Very smooth fast glide (pad is a bit faster than Otsu and very silky, nice on skin), very nice for tracking but tough to use in CSGO/Valorant.

I love my Raiden Mid! It's silky smooth and consistent. I tried the xsoft version and it was amazing, super plush and comfy, but the Raiden Mid went on sale for $55 so I bought that one and returned my xsoft. I'm currently Immortal 2 on Valorant and the pad has been spectacular.

In terms of build quality there's no competition - Artisan makes the highest quality pads on the market (Poron base in three hardnesses, below surface stitching), but while the Zero is a "control pad" it's actually not that slow, and is a well balanced pad for all types of games - if you want to have a look at the Zero's speed compared to other pads on the market Viscose has a handy speed chart here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ix0RN4WDgRIn9uSUMy2smG_vWR3FTnZHgNpumChfHM0/edit?usp=sharing With that said, the GSR SE Rouge is a fair bit slower than the Zero, which in general makes being precise with your aim a little bit easier (therefore covering a little bit better for bad aim days). The Zero is also not as smooth as the GSR SE Rouge, albiet not but very much but you might prefer a smoother feel. For me personally, the Zero is a more comfortable pad, I like the XSoft and I don't have a problem with how squishy it is but YMMV (the Soft is also a little bit softer than the GSR SE Rouge IMO), but again you might like a more consistent feeling base, like the one the GSR SE Rouge has. Both are solid pads, but if you mainly play tac shooters, I think you might find a tiny bit more performance out of a GSR SE Rouge. However, you might just simply enjoy a Zero more, with a more comfortable base and more premium feel (the Artisan does cost more after all). Hope that helps

@@nahhkkid thanks for the detailed comment. Much appreciated! I actually have an lgg Saturn pro in soft so I'll probably use that for tac shooters. It was a little slow for me for OW so it might cover the gsrse rouge better than the zero

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