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I think with the advancement of AI we’ll see more low volume kits being used in a live environments. Not triggering a drum sample but turning a low volume input coming in from a drum mic into a quality drum sound. It’s the perfect middle ground to get the acoustic feel with an electronic component but without piezo latency or interference from external vibration. Good time to be a drummer.

If you're playing in a space that's less than 100 people Edrums are a a massive win win for the band and audience. There is still this old guard that refuses to recognize the massive benefits of such a setup. I'm a live sound tech and a drummer, I wouldn't have it any other way,

Playing for 60+ years. Use both acoustic and edrums. On point #1, you can “tune” (tighten/loosen) edrum heads for a natural feel, so that point is moot. On point #2, you can “dress up” any edrum set with shells ( they can be plastic with a veneer, as they do NOTHING for the sound quality, as shells on acoustic kits are what MAKES them produce notes). Appearance point is moot.

Having played edums live for over 30 years this video seems a bit amiss. Modern edrums feel pretty much the same as acoustic drums. Actually take a while to set up. Minus the sound check. And using stereo outs is not going to cut it in a band. Get a set with multi outs if you play live.

I use a ddrum hybrid kit that looks like a gorgeous acoustic kit, but it has built-in triggers and 3-ply mesh heads on it which feel very very close to acoustic heads. I use Steven Slate Drums 5 and it sounds incredible. I also use acoustic cymbals. Best of both worlds

the rolands arent sampled they are synthesized sounds

0:55 because electronic drums suck. No self respecting drummer would use that crap in a serious situation.

Acoustic is KING

One thing that needs to be said is electronic drum modules add room ambiance when playing samples, this sounds great on headphones, but they could sound really bad when played through a speaker BECAUSE that added artificial drum ambience will be fighting the real drum ambience. Luckily there is a simple fix, turn down or turn off room ambiance, adjust the pads individually to the room so that nothing is too high or too low. The PA not being able to reproduce acoustic cymbal nuances... What kind of shitty Pa do you use? I have never had that problem, Also I have played gigs for over 35 years with both acoustic and electronic kits, nobody ever said they wish I had an acoustic kit when I used the electronic or that it sounded bad, on the contrary, they asked me how I was able to achieve such a great sound, they asked a lot of questions and I'm sure I converted some of them into e-drum believers. Roland TD -27 and TD-50 have come a long way with the digital pads. Don't use wood tip sticks use light sticks, don't use a felt pedal beater on mesh pads...yes use a wedge monitor to have that natural stage sound.

Is it possible to do a matrix that combines L/R and a bunch of stage monitor mixes. Is there a way to pan a mixbus to only one side? Like the guitar monitor to only come out of the left speaker for livestream matrix mix

Efnote 7 pulls off the look ...and they feel right too 🙂

edrums are also Nice when everyone Plays with inears in the band. You don’t need wedges

Buy a Roland VAD 507. Then make another video.

What is the difference between sending the audio through a bus or a matrix? Right now I have our church's online audio fed into the cam through the bus sends.

Any felt tip or beater will eat through mesh heads. I have a Roland VAD kit and the triple mesh heads gives me a close to acoustic response. I feel no difference playing home than using an acoustic kit every week. I actually wish we would use the VAD Kit at church live because not every volunteer is a sound engineer these new kits are almost fool proof

Something A little different that sounds like I need to use a matrix, but unsure of the set up. WHile I would love to be able to adjust single fader and make it work in house and on the stream. We use acoustic instruments, guitar, Baby Grans Piano etc. While the Piano for the sanctuary is lower I need it higher for the mix. Would this same process work?

Felt drum sticks?? Never heard of them apart from Percussion beaters.. None On Amazon.. mmm. Not convinced

You mention volume control, but to get more specific - STAGE volume. With accoustic drums the bassist and guitarist turn up to hear themselves and the combination of all that goes into the vocal mics (singers being at the front, mics stoned back) and makes mud out of a mix. Keeping stage volume down (add IEM) means way better quality of sound out front.

my son has played electric drums only for the last 6 years he doesn't have access to an acoustic kit , i was able to organise through a friend for him try an acoustic kit and he said it doesn,t feel natural and they are loud and overbearing and tuning was awful , thats straight from someone who never played real drums

When I was playing in Vegas, I set up a bass drum in front of my edrum bass drum specifically so it would look cool..

Felt tip is a big NO NO for mesh heads, including felt beater for kick mesh

Felt tipped drumsticks are a terrible suggestion. Most electronic drums that will be gigged are are going to have mesh drum heads. The felt tip on a mesh head will wear out that head so much faster.

Been an audio engineer for many years now. I've been touring with a couple of Rock bands. I've worked on and also toured with many digi boards. No one has gave me much prob. Recently we were on a tour and our "FOH" board decided to "quit"on us during set-up.We got a local vendor to provide us with a digi board. And that"monk"brought us this insane "Lego" set called X32. I have to be honest, It is truly an "Adult Lego" set. This could be one of the worst boards I've ever come across. 😪. One will literally have to go all over the world just to organise your mix. Plus god knows? they have repetitive options which does the same thing?!!.It's like driving a car with two steering wheel?. We are on the road,we don't have much time at most gig's or venue. I have to take my hats of to Behringer X32. It probably should be ranked as the no1 sound engineer "nightmare"when it comes to digi boards.

Thanks this is helpful, could someone please summarize the concept he used please, I've understood some but not all of what was happening on the desk.

Would the matrix channel need to be routed to a mix bus out? Or do you continue to mix on the mix bus channel (add LR)

In small venues, a ekit is a must. It tightens everything up. If your able to convince the guitar/ bass players to use a (DI) helix, fractal, kemper, etc. then your really on to something. Then loose the wedges, or monitors and get everyone to use IEMs, your audience will compliment your sound, and you have 0-10 volume control. I’m a drummer and it’s the only way I would agree to be in the band.

Genius. I have been making separate mixes for each and trying to keep up with both. I had thought of matrix mixes as "stripes" like you could mix all of the drums on aux 1 and the guitars on 2... and then recombine them for different outputs. This approach could help a lot!

Hey man, nice content!

Awesome thank you! Very helpful!

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I now have a good starting point for using a matrix. I'm inheriting a soundboard set up and it's done using a separate mix bus for the live stream and it is WAY too quiet. I'm using an Allen & Heath QU-32 and I was curious about the matrix, and now I see how I can do this the right way.

Hey glad that you did this , i know some churches don’t have mixers with the ability to run matrix mixes . This is a good work around . Good work ! 👍🏽👍🏽😎😎😎👋👋👋

Nice intro to matrix mixes 👍🏽👍🏽

Why matrix?

I’m gonna experiment with electric drums and my real cymbals what do you think

You could just send your channels to a bus mix "post fader", so every change you make in the house reflects in the stream.

This is very interesting and I want to give it a try. My only question "so far" is how do I get the new matrix mix to be my output for the stream. I send my LR mix to vMix so would the new mix be on a different set of channels? thx

Just send the vocals at +5dB and your music elements at -10dB. DONE!

Hello, great video and thank you so much. Im wondering how to run stereo monitors to 5 members on a x32 producer. Yes the producer only has 8 xlr outs and 2 are obviously running my mains.

How can this be done in the Behringer XR18

I don't understand this video. Common sense would say, set up a separate mix for you broadcast and have someone mix that Live. If you have a sound engineer in the venue, mixing for the venue, it is not logical to have "the same" person make adjustments for Broadcast/overflow etc. If you have an X32, get someone else on an IPAD mixing for Broadcast (in another room of course as there will be a delay) and get another person on another tablet mixing for overflow. Am I the only one seeing this Logic?

Great tip! Thanks 🙏🏼 Is it possible to get these multitracks for practice? 🎹🎶

Using the matrix for the extra bump for the softer volumes is a very interesting idea. Thanks for sharing this!

If you're watching this in 2020, you are one of the first - you might be THE first to watch this :-P Thank you!!