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sounds like you are 'all tied up'!

That is 10000000000000% a common tongue tie feeling in singers! In fact, that is the most common 'feeling' that singers describe. Did you pass this test?????

Ah ha...and now you are going down the rabbit hole? lol

@@OpusMyo Exactly!

YAY! Another life changed for the good! Thank you for sharing your story with us! Keep us posted on any other changes you feel- some more may continue to show up over the next few weeks: sleep, body tension, balance, etc. Happy for you!

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I am really religious with my tongue exercises now. I realized that the stretches should be started as early as possible because my tongue is healing so fast. It is day 3 now after my surgery and the wound is half healed. My muscles are still sore the next day of my surgery but I had to start the stretches ever so carefully because I can feel mu tongue becoming stiff again. I dont know but there is this one source which I randomly came across here in youtube who said that the exercises must be done no later than 6 hours after surgery... I dont know if the 6h was overkill, you know, My sutures may reopen... but the next day, I started mild stretches because reattachment of the tie is not far from hapenning...

@@pbb2877 Stretches and aftercare is EXTREMELY important so good for you for being so aware. Be sure to follow what both your surgeon and myo say about how often and how much. Be aware that it is a wound, and you did have surgery, so best not to expect it to feel 'perfect' after just 12 hours. Most experts agree that most of the healing will happen within 2 weeks.

Yes! Haha, this was excerpted from a lecture on tongue ties for singers (its missing all the singer stuff!)

You're right- I should do a longer version- any specific things you'd like to learn more on? Thanks for the feedback <3

Hey thanks for your reply! Very intriguing stuff. I have a grade 4 tongue tie and am looking to get a frenectomy done sometime next year. Just had 1 consultation with a Myofunctional Therapist so far, and she wants to do x-rays on me first before creating an exercise plan for me to do prior to the frenectomy. I have had IBS (for 15 years) in the form of a slow / sluggish bowel, and was hoping it could help alleviate it. Hopefully I’m on the right track. I live in New Zealand, and its a little difficult to find a Myo + Surgeon who have aligning beliefs regarding tongue tie. I gave up a long time ago trying to solve my IBS but this has given me hope again.

@@user-ef8ow1nz1o Awesome! yes, it's hard to find excellent people, but it's worth the hunt! Please keep us posted. I've seen amazing changes to client's pelvic floor and pelvis alignment so it's 'a thing'!

YAY!!!! AH! THAT is the outlook I love! Let us all know how everything changes- I love getting updates <3 (But please remember you may not feel/hear full changes for about 4 weeks after as you will still be healing :) ) Keep us updated!

@OpusMyo I've been in physical therapy for 8 years recovering from various injuries and I have learned the most important thing is attitude! my jaw needs some serious retraining, so I know it may take more than 4 weeks, but the massive benefits are what I focus on. in particular getting to know my full voice ❤️ thanks for giving such a detailed breakdown

Yay! Thank you. So glad you liked it :)

I know it's a lot to take in! But believe it or not you are still at a great age to start this journey :) I myself started my tongue tie and adult ortho at 25- so I feel ya! Just take it one step at a time- many of these things in fact shouldn't be tackled at the same time so it can give you a nice pace to follow. Finally, just want to say that if you ever are not THRILLED by your health provider- you owe it to yourself and the health world owes it to you to get another option. There are many paths to health- find one that you can enjoy the journey walking down :)

Tears of relief and joy I hope! I was SO relieved when i finally found answers to so many of the problems I was having due to my tongue! It's a lot to take in- but I hope this helps enlighten you and gives some direction for where to look for help if you'd like some :)

*Sounds* like it, but thats why this is just a quick self assessment. The next important step would be to find a great provider who can give you more in-depth answers about if you do and what kind you have etc.

I am not sure, I have not experienced those symptoms with any of my clients. I have had people with cervical migraines that radiated anteriorly and caused eye pressure, but I cant say anything about spine instability.

HAHA! Oh i shouldn't laugh, but it hurts cause its so true! Yeah...I'm sure you will find more anatomical incongruencies from some musicians!

Yay! So glad you found it helpful! Welcome to the tongue tie rabbit hole...

Ah yes, the sneaky posterior tongue! You are not alone, I personally had that same kind!

@ ooh thanks for letting me know what it was :)

I probably have to schedule some appointments

@@DerkuiRoblox Lol yes thats right!

Yes! I am a HUGE fan of using mirror and video tape to WATCH my singers and have them watch themselves, its very instructive and can often help them progress FASTER! Win win

A common pattern!

YES! I've been doing this for 7 years and STILL can't believe how no one is talking about it! Help spread the word- glad we found you!

Ah, yes so the tongue does have to descend for the swallow, but then it should return back UP! Good question! (Also, some people salivate a lot when they first address their tongue posture, so that could be happening to you too!)

Great question, it should be the SUCTION that is doing the work- not the muscle so much. So try playing around with more or less suction. Also, the back of the tongue not being able to do up is a big clue for posterior aka hidden tongue ties. I'd take a self assessment for that as well just to be sure! Thanks for commenting!

this definitely shouldn't ever be painful. Perhaps you need more suction and less muscle

Yes in concert with other exercises. I would say this particular one is just ok- there are better ones! I'd check out my app: Myo DIY for the full program!

Muscle strengthening, teaching isolation and control, improving mobility. All three of these contribute to correct Tongue Posture, swallowing, chewing, and even sleep!

@@OpusMyo , thank you. By the way, are you the one in the video?

@@payparallel Yes thats me! Lol. (Plus a little lighting help ;) )

Yes, the pharynx should be open in classical singing. Correct tongue posture is what all humans should be doing while we are sitting quietly while not speaking or talking. So yes resting tongue posture and singing can't happen simultaneously. My point is that maintaining correct tongue posture as a human predisposes the tongue to behave more ergonomically and healthily in singing.

How did you know?! Jk. This was a live Zoom lectures so the sound isn't the best

Que buena pregunta!!!! En primer lugar, ¡no estoy en desacuerdo con los tipos de entrenadores que mencionas! ¡Estoy completamente de acuerdo! Estoy de acuerdo en que SÍ queremos que el suelo pélvico se involucre HACIA ARRIBA sosteniendo las cosas DENTRO. Ésta es a la vez la forma "correcta" de cantar y también la forma saludable de mover el suelo pélvico. PEROOOOooooo solo porque PARECE que mi estómago está presionando hacia afuera en este ejercicio, ¡el piso pélvico todavía se está activando hacia ARRIBA de la manera saludable y "correcta"! Estoy estabilizando mi núcleo, sin presionar hacia afuera ni hacia adentro, sino haciendo AMBOS al mismo tiempo. Por eso estoy MUY convencido de que los cantantes hagan estos ejercicios por sí mismos y no sólo escuchen a la gente (¡incluso a mí!) hablar de ello! Porque puede resultar muy confuso. Recomiendo probar este ejercicio nuevamente (no solo mirarme ;)) y ver si puedes sentir que tanto el DENTRO como el FUERA suceden JUNTOS, y también deberías notar que tu piso pélvico realmente se activa hacia ARRIBA! Yay! Gracias por preguntar :) (Tambien voy a decir esto en ingles, porque pienso que mas personas va a usar- gracias! )

What a good question! Firstly, I don't disagree with the types of coaches you mention! I completely agree! I agree that we DO want the pelvic floor to engage UPWARDS holding things IN. That is both the "correct" way for singing and also the healthy way for the pelvic floor to move. BUTTTTTTT just because it LOOKS like my stomache is pressing outwards in this exercise, the pelvic floor is still engaging UP in the healthy and 'correct' way! I am stabilizing my core- not pressing out, not pressing in but doing BOTH at the same time. So this is why I am SOOOO adament about singers doing these exercises for themselves, and not just listening to people- even me!- talk about it! Because it can be very confusing. I recommend trying this exercise again (not just watching ;) ) and seeing if you can feel both the IN and the OUT happening TOGETHER - and you should also notice that your pelvic floor does indeed engage UP! Hooray! Thanks for asking :)

@kikaa9 asks: "Hello! I have a question. What do you think about hypo-oppressive abs? The personal trainers who promote this way of working the abdominal belt are talking about how bad it is when the abdominal wall comes out (like in this type of exercise in this video) because that generates a lot of pressure on the pelvic floor and has negative consequences. . (prolapse in women and prostate problems in men). Perhaps that is why there is a stream of vocal trainers who suggest that the ear control airflow, the abdomen goes inward and the ribs expand 360? Thank you very much for the valuable contributions to the singing community! ❤ ""

i forgot one thing: i also agree that on a long phrase, the abdomin does have to come 'inwards' slightly- which is just basic physics, right? Because we are deflating the lungs; when we empty a balloon, it gets smaller :)

Olvido a una cosa: tambien estoy de acuerdo en que, en una frase larga, el abdomen tiene que ir ligeramente "hacia adentro", lo cual es sólo física básica, ¿verdad? Porque estamos desinflando los pulmones; cuando vacíamos un globo, se hace más pequeño :)

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Keep up those exercises I gave you for 2-3 weeks and let me know how it goes! Make sure to watch yourself in the mirror as thats the fastest and the easiest way to change that habit!

@@OpusMyo thankyou,i was really feeling depressed But now feeling good. You are a very nice and kind hearted person, all these things I can't share with anyone else. You are a great teacher and person

@@shivamvishwakarma8625 You are very welcome. Remember to practice SLOWLY as that will make you improve FASTER! And as always, USE THE MIRROR!! You got this!

@@OpusMyo I am practicing what you suggested. What I feel is that some of my vowels, specifically 'A' and 'E,' feel tense. Also, when other people speak, their words seem to have a similar tone and sound soft and smooth. But when I speak, some of my words feel strained and harsh, and all words should sound of the same type, but they do not. Why is this happening? Could it be due to tongue tension? But My tongue doesn't go back still i am facing this,,It's been more than two years since my tongue tie release, yet I’m still facing this issue. Pls help me

YESSSS!!!!!! Hooray, so glad to have helped!!!

1. Abdominal pressure is really neither "in and up" nor "down and out"- its a stabilization. It can be confusing because it *feels* more in and up to some and more down and out to others. (but thats why metaphors and descriptions are so dangerous, in my opinion). I recommend you try the exercises from the Breath Support Summit that go with this video, and can be found here: ruclips.net/video/BYIbvoNJTGQ/видео.htmlsi=RoAnDkMoi6atk5A7 2. Chord closure happens slower at lower pitches, so more air escapes between the 'beats' of the chords. Technically, yes, more of the chord's edge makes contact as well, but we're talking like MICROmeters- definitely not something we can feel or should even worry about. What you WILL feel is that allowing more air to escape at lower pitches will stabilize the sound. 3. The only difference with dramatic singers is that they may need to go lower in the body aka add more support earlier in the range. I have a full/lyric pushing dramatic soprano voice and I have to add about 80% percent support just for a G5. 4. I teach virtual myo coachings where we can discuss breath support and other vocal aspects in sport-specific and scientific ways. If you're interested you can book here: www.myoforsingers.com

Ah! I did not know that. Goes to show I need to double check my research. Thanks for letting me know

@@OpusMyo Yes. I have Ramsay Hunt Syndrome, so as an voice and acting teacher, I'm very aware of how difficult it is to work with this type of facial nerve injury - and what it does to the muscle/nerve system on one side of the face. It even has an effect on the tongue, gums, jaw, ears and eyes!! Enjoying your videos!

@@MiriamLaurence Yes, it does! I've worked with a post-stroke clients and even MS clients as well who have similar issues. Glad you like them!

GREAT QUESTION!!! Yes, I agree with you- i personally also need some lower ab pressure on my lowest notes as well. Basically because the most demanding parts of our range- both high and low- take the most amount of effort, so when performed healthily, the body recruits more of the musculature needed for that task, in this case, more ab pressure as well. Nice!

jaja, si es un poco difícil mostrar pequeños cambios en el cuerpo- pero esto es el punto exactamente- pero esa es la razón exacta por la que creamos estos ejercicios: para que TÚ puedas sentirlo, si no puede verlo

yep yep yep yep ...

Yes yes yes!

I'm not sure I understand...you mean your cheeks fill with food while you chew or are swollen after you finish eating or...?

Swollen after I finish eating

@@sway1596 I am not sure, but that certainly not normal! I would explore 1. whether you are chewing correctly 2. whether you are swallowing correctly and 3. potentially if you could have some food allergies

I don’t have any allergies but one of the first two could be. It happened after I chewed gum to work the jaw but I would spit out the juice as I thought it isn’t so healthy. Wasn’t the smartest idea, I realized. What would you recommend and how can I be swallowing wrongly?

Lifting the back of the tongue doesn't change the laryngeal position. The genioglossus muscle STRETCHES the tongue upwards, enabling the larynx to maintain its original position. The only time this is not possible is when singers are 1. tongue tied and/or 2. actively engaging other, malicious laryngeal-attachment muscles in some way. I do however agree with you that some singers must let the tip come backwards slightly if needed so that the pharynx and sp can lift and 'float' more, however, the back of the tongue should be floating up, not pressing down. The tongue's natural position is already slightly lifted, so by lowering it we actually changing its more restful position and adding tension and also depressing the larynx.

@@OpusMyo At leaſt in operatic ſinging the larynx muſt be an a very much lowered poſition, maintaining its oꝛiginal poſition is not enough. Keeping the tongue vp and foꝛward will make lowering the larynx difficult. When one yawneth the tongue retracteth, this is becauſe the retracting tongue openeth the thꝛoat. The tip of the tongue and the back of the tongue are antagoniſtic, ſo when the tip retracteth it tendeth to pull in the back of the tongue, opening the thꝛoat. As long as the vowel is clear the tongue will not be blocking the back of the thꝛoat at all; this is actually the moſt open thꝛoat poſition. Mario DelMonaco, Bꝛigit Nielsen, Franz Wnderlicht, Enrico Caruſo, Apoolo Ganfoꝛte, Renata Tebaldi, Roſa Ponſelle, all theſe legendary ſingers of the paſt, and many, many moꝛe, all retracted the tongue in their ſinging. Thou canſt ſee it in pictures of them and in ſtills taken from videos where thou canſt heare their tone on ſaid notes. The had free, loud, extremely rich in ouertone voices, and very dark open ſound; and all with great releaſe of the aire. A retracted tongue is not iuſt foꝛ ſome ſingers. If one deſireth to haue the pharyngeal ſpace maximized, the way to make the moſt ſpace and that without conſtrictiue tenſioins is when the tongue tip retracteth (front third of the tongue), which in turn pulleth the back third of the tongue out of the thꝛoat, while the middle third is free to create the vowel at any giuen time.

@@RememberGodHolyBible Well we will have to agree to disagree on this. Retracting the tongue downwards depresses the larynx. I know all the great opera singers (including the ones you mentioned) specifically warned against depressing the larynx as it not only adds tension and false dark color, but widens the vibrato and can add false vibrato as well. Simulating a yawn is dangerous territory- as the chords are open, the body is inhaling, the pharynx is tightening/engaged, and the jaw is tight. All not good things- regardless of what the tongue is doing. I suggest you watch Pavarotti's high C- here- you can see him physically lift and change the shape of his tongue even though the vowel and word stays the same: ruclips.net/video/cWc7vYjgnTs/видео.htmlsi=nBpDMaUz0ZxvNhYX

​@@OpusMyo In regardeth to Pavarotti changing his tongue with the vowles, of courſe that is needed. The tongue is the moſt influential ſhaper of any and all vowels. But euerything elſe thou haſt ſaide is incoꝛrect. Depꝛeſſing the larynx is to incoꝛrectly lower the larynx that reſulteth in a woofy oꝛ choked ſound. Mario DelMonaco had his tongue retracted with the tip down. The back third of the tongue needeth to go down the thꝛoat WITHOVT cloſing it off which IS poſſible and neceſſary. The tongue retracting away from the front teeth alſo pulleth the back of the tongue foꝛward leauing the thꝛoat in the moſt open poſition The middle third of the tongue maketh the vowels and that can go vp and down depending on the vowel. The iaw can vary, but generally a dꝛopped and low iaw is good and many times neceſſary. Not only is there ample video pꝛoof of this with pꝛofeſſional ſingers better than Pavarotti, but my voice is alſo a teſtimonie. I lower my larynx all the way, ALL the way down, tongue tip retracted with the tip pointed down, lips foꝛward, cheſt voice thꝛough an open thꝛoat. And by this I go to my top very eaſily, with no wobble, with maſſiue amounts of ſquillo, no tongue obſtructing the aire, huge releaſe of the aire, very loud with very ſoft dynamics poſſible, ſuper clear vowels, and very dark at the ſame time becauſe of the maſſiue ſpace created via the very low larynx, retracted tongue, iaw down lips foꝛward, with cheſt voice ſung thꝛough that ſpace from the bottom to the top of my range. Euen if thou art not into ſinging operatically, the retracted tongue is eſſential if one deſireth maximum reſonance. One can get by without a retracted tongue, but it is obiectiuely leſſe efficient. Look vp the video title below on the channel "This is opera! ARCHIVE" "TONGUE RETRACTION, LIPS FORWARD, VIBRATO PULSATIONS etc." It ſheweth theſe things quite concluſiuely and alſo ſheweth what kind of ſound it pꝛoduceth.

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@@OpusMyo thank you so much