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I dont think its the timeline shift, i think its because the storylines are all over the place, and characters like Picard are treated like crap. Strange New Worlds is far better, but the Orville is the most Trekkie show we have in recent times.

This is my personal idea and I know it will never be possible as the original actor that played Spock in TOS is gone I would love to see a movie based on how the borg came to be I had read a book by Mr Shatner that revealed the origins of the Borg and I feel it is true and I am pulling form Star Trek the Motion Picture as it seems to me to follow along the line of what Spock saw when he mind melded with Vger the world where the Borg started but didn't end. I believe their origins started to grow from coming into contact with a probe from earth that we thought lost to a black hole. Don't know if any of those that will see this read that book as I feel it would help find a proper start for the Borg and their beginnings but it would be far from their end. (If I misspelled the authors name please correct me and thank you)

Every series takes place in a different universe. The only consistent dimension that features in all seasons (or at least those where it is mentioned) is the mirror universe.

Very interestingI am with you!

I feel like we've been dealing with compounding time travel consequences since the beginning. Anyone remember UESPA or James R. Kirk?

Only thing that can fix the franchise is to decanonize all post 2009 trek, and enterprise and start over. Star trek actually had a problem similar to star wars. A lot of lore known before first contact came from books which made way more sense than what was depicted in the series or movies. For example there was a simpler less convoluted explanation for the appearance of the from tos and tmp era, klingons were simply hiding there true appearance in order to mislead the rest of the galaxy. Another example would be first contact which should have taken place after Cochrane 's first mission to alpha centauri. Lastly is the premise of enterprise, earth finally developing warp 5 which was bogus. Should've already have had this capability in first place otherwise colonial program and interstellar trade probably would have been impractical, problem should have been the inefficiencies in controlling the propulsion systems as mentioned in one of the books. Kinda like how a steam locomotive and a diesel engine both did the same thing but steam was more labor intensive.

I have this theory about First Contact, too. I’ve been telling it every Trekkie I meet since Enterprise. Nice work! Sadly, I don’t think the powers that be will ever acknowledge how effective this alternate timeline fix would be.

This way most of the TOS crew get to survive into the 24th century and interact with the TNG crew.

To keep Dr. Soran from destroying Veridion 3 Picard and the crew of the enterprise D would have to kidnap Soran while still in the 23rd century and bring him to the 24th century to get the help he needs to heal mentally. And make try to except that his family is gone. Later we learn that not only did McCoy, Spock , Scott, Chekoh have lived to be very old, but so has Captain Kirk. We see them at the at the ceremony for the new Enterprise E. And the Enterprise D being removed from service for a refit. It will become the Enterprise Galaxy Class 2

To fix Captain Kirks death on Veridion 3 you have to travel back in time to the point right before he fixes the deflector control room to send the plasma burst at the Nexus. The ship from the future can easily shoot the Nexus with its phasers. Then the Enterprise B will escape undamaged. And Captain Kirk lives out his life from that point forward. The ship that travel back in time would be the Enterprise D and Picard and Kirk would actually still meet one another.

Remember when Doc and Marty got back to the alternative 1985 in BTTF 2? What did they have to do to fix the timeline in that movie? They changed the events in 1955 to correct the timeline. They kept Biff from keeping the sports almanac that told him the future. That's the way to fix Star Trek. Go back to the period in which Neria chasing elder Spock to the Kelvin timeline happened and prevent him from destroying the ship and killing its captain and George Kirk. Then get Spock back to the 25 century. Then the event's in the Kelvin timeline movie's will be deleted. Restoring the original TOS timeline.

I was Trek fan, even Captained a fab club, back im the 90s. We recognized 3 distinct types of Star Trek fans: Trekkers who just watch the shows and like them; Trekkies who've watched everything, know the trivia, buy some merch, and have been to a convention or two; and Trekologists who've read the books, buy the actual props from the shows, travel to conventions out of state, and make the fan-films. Even back then, we made them on camcorders and showed them to our fan clubs instead of posting them on RUclips, but we absolutely had fan films.

They sort of did acknowledged that First Contact changed things in Voyager: Relativity when Seven was discussing Paradoxes and that Starfleet/Federation owes it's existence to the Borg. This gives off the "What if the Borg never went back in time?" question... would the Terran Universe be the prime one as hinted in ENT: The Mirror, Darkly; or without the Borg at First Contact would humans be more like the Confederation from ST Picard season 2?

Nice try but std snw and Picard season 1-2 are completely trash and should be expunged from the canon

IMHO major timeline changes are few and far between, and more or less in the order the various series began. TOS, TNG, and DS9 are set in the Prime timeline. VOY:"Future's End" alters the timeline: the computer revolution is not supposed to have happened. All future technology in series beginning after this point is now more advanced, including Archer's Enterprise. The Borg incursion in STVIII:"First Contact" alters the timeline again: after ENT:"Regeneration" the technology is presumably reverse-engineered, allowing for Discovery, Pike's Enterprise and the Kelvin-timeline Enterprise to be more technologically advanced than the TOS-era Enterprise was.

Sorry but Star Trek Picard was essentially the Titans series for Star Trek. Characters we knew but were absolutely butchered with horrible stories and so many unlikeable new characters.

This is a fun thought. And has good standing behind it...but How about gee. Idk. Disco and SNW being in the prime timeline, and those who complain about how it looks can just suck it up, cause it's not an alternate timeline. It is apart of the Canon. It looks different cause we have progressed 50 years in CGI, and different visions have come. Grow up. Just cause you don't like how something looks, does not mean you should dismiss it into another timeline. It's ridiculous. (Refering to "you" as in "the ones who dislike the look of new shows)

They address this in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. They acknowledge that the timeline has been changed-- a Romulan Time agent trying to kill a young Khan in the 21st century mentions that Khan was originally born in the '90's but the timeline was altered. The way I interpreted this was that the Original Series, ST:TNG, DS9 and Voyager are the "original" unaltered timeline. then that timeline enters the 25th centure and the temporal wars break out, with both sides editing the timeline, and we end up with Discovery/SNW/Picard (including Picard because an episode shows the SNW Enterprise, and the future lives of the crew have diverged from what was projected at the end of the series).

It's literally not The Federation. So it's not Star Trek. It's not that hard to understand. If I don't recognise the Federation then it's all fake... like, where is the culture we know, it doesn't exist in the new era. Pass. Hard pass.

I like your idea. And I think it's really solid. Unfortunately the character of Michael Burnham is the biggest "Mary Sue" of this generation. I'm not sure I could stomach anymore of her hushed speeches. Lol!

The real problem now is Star Trek has embraced a divergent paradox resolution to time travel. On one side you have the causality problem posed by the temporal contamination of the Borg and on the other you have the fractured multiverse resolution of causality posed by the Kelvin-verse timeline. Reconciling how one time travel event creates a butterfly effect and the other doesn't is problematic for canon. There's also the Temporal Prime Directive and Temporal Wars which do not answer why so many temporal incursions by Starfleet officers such as Kirk, Picard, Janeway and Sisko were permitted. I would like to see the root causality of what created the Borg and the Mirror universe, but every time Trek gets close to the answer the point of origin seems to move in canon.

Kurzman Trek is not canon. It is just very lazy story telling and the m. finger to fans. They just violate everything regarding canon and chuck of everything wrong with dumb explanations. They should cancel this stuff and let talented fans handle it. It feels more like a wet dream of woke that no fan should except that. Picard Season 3 was too little too late.

I mean in my head canon the Disco timeline is separate from Prime and Kelvin. I know that's not "canon" but it's the only way I can logically grapple with it. I enjoy the show (and am happy it spun off SNW), but the tech looking too different is a bit much (I know, it's not 1966, but at least Enterprise tried).

Hmm. Still doesn't explain the Eugenics Wars of 1993 - 1996. I hate Nu-Trek but SNW already fixed this. Discovery, SNW and Picard are all set in an altered universe very similar but different from established canon. Tomorrow, Tomorrow and Tomorrow explained it.

I think people focus too much on superficial inconsistencies because they don’t realize the reason they don’t like it, which is the writing

U ripped this idea off nick picking nerd.

Or old fans can finally throw away their pacifiers and grow up.

Lol no

They all suck all these new ones and I’ll never watch them. They stray way too far.

For some its all the big errors and that would bee to obvious if they watched and payed attention to the og shows stop making huge jumps simple bridges make new og kirk and crew and dont frake it up

One of my favorite fan theories involves that scene in First Contact where the Enterprise crew prove to Cochran that they’re from the future by showing him the Enterprise E through a telescope. Seeing it shocked him in the movie. We later learned in Star Trek: Enterprise that Cochran worked on future starships for decades, including the warp 5 engine for the NX-01. Seeing the E through that telescope may have influenced his design choices for a starship - nacelles angled upwards above a saucer shaped ship - and that changed how starships were designed way earlier than they would have naturally evolved. This explains why the NX-01 looks “too advanced”, why Pike’s Enterprise has swept back nacelles before the refit design of the movies, etc. It’s a simple theory but also makes a ton of sense 🖖

new star trek (with the exception of picard S3) are all trash written by moneys with typewriters which assume that the target audience general intelligence and knowledge is also at the level of a monkey. This is especially true for Discovery.

It's sy-fy, who really cares. As long as it's quality, it's not the Bible.

I like this concept and would love to see it implemented. But I really don't see how it would tie things together any more than the concept of alternate timelines already does. At best it would just show that modern trek is another alternate universe, which it pretty much already is without acknowledging that it is.

It would make sense that every series after First Contact like Discovery, Strange New Worlds, etc are in Star Trek Canon while being in a changed timeline thus explaining the SNW Enterprise appearing in PIC S1 and the Fleet Museum showing the TOS Enterprise in S3. Those who say Discovery or SNW isn't Canon, it is now if you connect the dots because it all makes sense. Even if the producers say it's prime timeline, they are right in a way. It'd be like the Star Trek version of Marvel's multiverse.

Bro just spent 10 minutes explaining why imposter shows that were never really part of ST can somehow be shoehorned into ST.

I've had a similar thought since Enterprise. My head canon was always that everything shown after First Contact was a sort of shifted timeline. At first everything seemed the same (DS9, Voyager mostly), but as the series/time went on there's a sort of ripple effect changing things (Enterprise). Then you get further away and things have really shifted to the point that there's visual differences. (Discovery, SNW, The Disco Enterprise showing up as a hologram in PIC Season 1). It's not a perfect theory, but it works well enough for me. Your mileage may vary, etc.

I’ve often thought the same thing. Even Cochrane’s glimpses of the Enterprise-E could have easily influenced early starship design. Saucers and swept back nacelles appear earlier, superseding stuff like Daedalus.

the voyager episode relativity ruins your theory, when 7 of 9 is asked for an example of a pogo paradox she uses the events of first contact.

While I love this idea… with all due respect, longtime fans such as myself (since the 1970s) don't care THAT much about canon deviations. There have ALWAYS been some degree of canon deviation from series to series and movie to movie etc. Often times it's explained in a later story/series. The problem we have is that everything since 2005 has been garbage writing. It has been total and purposeful disrespect. It's been reimagined for "modern audiences" using "the message" driven indoctrination stories. Before 2005 it was an optimistic view of the future that appealed to everyone. Since then, they've TOTALLY lost the plot. Everything is pessimistic and nihilistic. Yes it's all flashy and exciting but so is a polished turd. I think on some level you know this as your specifically qualify your love for Picard as "Picard S3". There is nothing that can ever fix this unless they actually use your idea. They make a movie or a series where they go back in time to the just after the events of First Contact, and remove the Borg debris. They RESTORE the original timeline and erase the last 20 years. Then they can return to making Star Trek the promise of a bright and hopeful future for humanity like it was for 39yrs. But that will never happen. "No, there comes a time when a man finds that he can't fall in love again… Computer, shut this bloody thing off."

The timeline changed the instant TOS went back in time in the first season. It kept changing every time there was time travel. That and retcons are inevitable, but sci fi gives you the excuse to use it as a plot point.

I think classic ST fans take issue with new ST story telling. It hasn't been true to trek. ST Strange New Worlds is the only new show that tells traditional Trek like stories.

With the "talent" they have now, no thanks

If you didn't change a Canon Event, The timeliness corrected itself

Love the video. The only issue I have is that if the timeline was changed by Star Trek First Contact, how would anyone in the other Star Trek TV shows realize this and thus there's no reason for them to think that there's anything to fix.

Its not just the timeline. That is a big part of it. But its how the stories are told.

Maybe the Emissary of the Prophets Benjamin Sisko Brings Everyone together to Solve this Time Anomaly.

I am all onboard with First Contact changing the timeline. How could it not?

I’ve said this from the beginning. The timeline was altered after first contact!!

Star Trek 5 established that Spock has family he doesn't talk about. For me the fun changes to reconcile are what's going on with the Klingons. A Romulan mining craft doesn't explain the Klingons we saw in Into Darkness and a revived Borg doesn't explain the Disco Klingons. Worf is still Worf in Picard. So we're the other Klingons failed attempts to remove the Augment adaptations from Enterprise or an isolated off shoot of Klingons who had such an extreme ethnic look that they didn't get infected by it?