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The definition of "lie" is the same that Thomas Aquinas gave! Amazing! Thank you very much. I will show this video to my students.

Zero interest.

Fuck youtube for censoring all my comments. Idiotic elites.

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The idea that the physical substrate must replicate the abstract properties of consciousness is so naive. My laptop does not need to physically replicate the abstract conceptual structure of all the nice programs I run in it, including my preferred computer games.

That last question summed it up: sure, Tononi's work is essential; but it's about the contents of consciousness, more than about consciousness per se.

integrated information theory is a hoax.

I Must be able to envision multiple courses of action. I must be able to choose based on reasons I must be able to decide and intend and action I must be able to cause, control and execute… Besides the use of the word “control”, I think this is a fine compatibilist definition of free Will.

Thanks for the presentation. =)

The last minutes of John Dylan Haynes resume very well the problem of free will and the information of its inexistence to general public. Thanks very much.

Thank you so much for a great interview. May I use it for my university study?

Thank you a lot! It was a great lecture!

this seems like pseudo-science. and ofc a lot of bullshit indian-philosophy pseudo-scientists in the comments who wish to prove their "soul" using this nonsense.

The theorems of Integrated Information prove that Consciousness exists, but (going back to Aristotle and the Neo-Platonists), say nothing about Consciousness "In-Itself" as a substrate in the non dual sense. Bu no problem. we can directly experience Pure Consciousness (Sat-Chit-Ananda) when the mind is transcended in the state of Samadhi. Access "Mahamritunjaya mantra - Sacred Sounds Choir" and listen to it for 5 min per day for at least two weeks. Dive and merge into Pure Consciousness.

Only way to stop all wars in the long run is for all humans to understand they don't have free will, in the short term the experiments proving we don't have free will is going to cause a bumpy ride for our society. The sooner we show the world we don't have free will the better, we must save ourselves from ourselves and you guys are the only solution that will work in the long run. Humans are horrible creatures, we must see we're all the same to better ourselves. You guys are doing amazing work that will answer the most important question ever. Thank you 🙏

‘Thought’, ‘mind’, ‘intelligence’ & ‘consciousness’ are all information-related phenomena and it is not difficult to show that one of the principal (& completely inexcusable) reasons why we have not so far come to any good & proper - nor fully verifiable - understanding of these otherwise greatly sought-after yet still highly mysterious phenomena is due in great part to the simple fact that we do not presently also have a good & proper - that is, we do not presently also have a clear & fully verifiable - understanding/science of ‘information’ itself. Although I have personally had the (altogether dubious) fortune of having been able to figure out ‘information’s’ correct (& fully verifiable) ontological identity, and although I’m not going to divulge its formalistic definition here in this RUclips comment (without which formalistic definition it is not possible to establish a full & accurate science of the phenomenon, but with it it is) nevertheless I can assure you that with it in hand - that is, with ‘information’s’ correct ontological identity within one’s investigative arsenal - the exercise of determining the ontological identities of all of the other directly information-related phenomena such as ‘thought’, ‘mind’, ‘intelligence’ & ‘consciousness’ (to far less than exhaust the list) becomes one of no great difficulty. Obversely, once ‘information’s’ correct (verifiably correct) ontological identity is properly recognised, not only do the correct ontological identities of all of its most closely related cousins (as above) become nicely elucidated, but so also does the woeful incorrectness - the hopeless & excruciatingly embarrassing incorrectness - of all of information’s current imposters, along with ‘consciousness’s’ own struggling wanna-bees too. So much so that it becomes fully & quite verifiably obvious that (i) digits are not information, that (ii) thinking is not a computable phenomenon, & (iii) that computers do not because they cannot, think. Let alone do so either intelligently or consciously. Even less so with full cognitive self-conscious awareness. And (iv) our own nature-built, real live flesh & blood, internal thinking machine is not a computer. Although it pertains to millions & millions of different things - things which we ourselves call colour, sound, taste, odour, texture, temperature, balance, love, hate, joy, happiness, the feeling of the need to micturate & defecate, vomit, sneeze, cough, choke etc, etc, etc in its generic form ‘information’ turns out to be a completely knowable, identifiable, measurable, quantifiable phenomenon & it is also simple. And our universe is chockablock full of it. It’s also something staring at you right in your face. Hiding in plain sight. Knowing information’s correct ontological identity allows any kind & amount of it to be both identified, & to be traced & tracked if moving (that is, if being transported by some one or another fast moving medium such as light) when- & wherever any of it resides & moves during transportation, here in our universe, including any of it being operated on inside our own internal, nature-given, flesh & blood thinking machine. Performing this identifying//tracing-&-tracking exercise on any of the information that eventually makes it into our own conscious awareness is not only a fully doable task, but it is the one which readily highlights the exact ontological identity of all of our mental phenomena - including ‘thought’, ‘mind’, ‘intelligence’ & ‘consciousness’. ((Seeking a sponsor !))

Succinctly put, really enjoyed following the thought process from the beginning to the end.

Not sure if this is explained in a more in-depth review of the material, however, I don't see how free will is afforded to an observer simply because they have processes like evaluating options, choosing an option, etc. This is just a physical surveyance of the network of weights in a neural network. A neural network has millions of options it "surveys", however, the act of choice is the one with the highest weights associated with the objective outcome. Similarly, a person will not choose any options they believe are exactly opposite its goals, unless it is under malfunction (mental illness, etc). The choices you COULD make are an illusion because you won't make most of them. Similarly, a quantum experiment says that many outcomes are possible, however, only one happens upon measurement. The fact that we are aware of our possibility spaces (the choices) is simply the ability to survey the weights along the way. If we were more primitive beings, decisions would still occur under the same mechanisms, we would just lack the symantic formalism to discuss them and "watch" the ideations along the way. This is very well backed up by the fact that there are studies that show that you can know relatively little about a person and determine which choice they are going to make or answer to a question they will give with shockingly high accuracy.

Almost nobody denies the subjective phenomenology of free will (but listen to Sam Harris!). Translating experience into physics like Tononi does in this talk (and like IIT does in general for subjective experience) does by no means prove (libertarian) free will. Phycis does just not allow any physical change (movement, reaction etc.) outside of the laws of nature. If it comes to physical changes (of course, including behavior) the phenomenon is in principle completely explainable by the four known "powers" (weak, strong nuclear power, electromagnetic power, gravity/mass) just leaving neither need nor space for proper psychological causes. I totally agree that there must be some physical (neural) processes that share fundamental properties with subjective experience (to be identical or the "inside" and "outside" of the same "thing") but these physical entities will strictly follow the laws of nature. Subjective experience thus is an epiphenomenon of these physical structures with no causal power on its own; the "inside" only eventually participates in the causal power of the underlying physical process/structure, the "outside".

This is so encouraging.

By these definitions you have ‘free will’ but that doesn’t mean the word isn’t deterministic.

Big thanks Guilio. IIT proves brain determinism is a fallacy and therefore I hope this will bring relevant adjustments to social behavior contraining ongoing initiatives. Thanks GOD for all the hidden gifts you granted to humans, brain is only one among many.

Hey, what are the 4 basic theoretical vantage points mentioned (unclearly) in the intro? Anyone? Thanks so much!

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So IIT is deterministic and has nothing to do with free will other than free will is an illusion which is determined by integrated information.

you need to adjust the content

Will the agenda and/or summary of the meeting be shared to this group or be available online.

A scientific investigation wouldn't be possible without "free will". Without "free will", our minds ("brains") wouldn't know how to separate true information or usable data from influenced information or false data. The results from all scientific investigations would be corrupted. Although computers can be programmed to separate data, a computer can only process data by following a human programmer's instructions. For example, a computer can't decide on it's own to choose another way to separate data, it wasn't programmed to recognize as true information or usable data, and influence information or false data. Human beings can have unlimited creativity, like a professional master artist painting on a blank canvas (computers are limited by it's program and circuits), because of our unlimited imaginations. A human mind is more than chemical reactions reacting to the environment, or a product of the physical universe (God created us). We all have a mind ("self-aware consciousness") that is uniquely ours (including genetically identical twins). A human mind probably exist at the quantum energy level (quantum vacuum energy state of matter) that supersedes classical physics (the ordering of cause and effect of the observable physical universe). This superseding property is necessary to have free will. It allows human beings (with God's help) to overcome their emotions, biases, other preconceived ideas, and instantaneous temptations. Time is also needed to evaluate all possible choices accurately and completely, before a decision is made. Here's a link to an interview of Dr. Ruth Kastner PhD.; philosopher at physics department at New York State University (who believes "free will" is real and obeys the laws of quantum physics): ruclips.net/video/FvW_iZoogDo/видео.html The uncertain nature of people is not explained by randomness. Quantum phyics is not random. The positions of the subatomic particles only appear to be random, because exact measurements aren't possible (only probability measurements) with modern-day instruments. Here's a link to a video by PBS Space Time that describes the Quantum Eraser experiment. It shows that quantum entangled particles, like a photon, can influence each other instantaneously across great distances in a timeless and spaceless quantum vacuum energy state of matter- "Is what really defines reality in this space-time" -PBS Space Time. ruclips.net/video/8ORLN_KwAgs/видео.html

There is no free will as Sam harris proved in his book about it.

This is actually not unlike Leibniz’s monadology in many ways. Also, I think the necessary indeterminism is the key to the freedom here, as it must be in any (true) theory of freedom.

Jake seems really cool

Indubitably.

So your saying I'm a machine, basically a playstation 50? Can't compute, brain shutting down...

Utter wank. Sorry.

phi is just non-sense. A modern processor have an enormous number of transistors working together, hence a large phi. Nevertheless, the base algorithm (i.e. Von Neumann) is fairly simple, therefore the conscience is zero.

We find constraints everywhere we look so any attempt to say our will is free is playing word games.

In RUclips suggestion. Full week now. Must watch. Can not resist.

I feel like Im in one of the rooms in the classic and astoundingly forward thinking short story The Machine Stops. Just had to stop right at the beginning to say that. Please continue I cant wait....

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As a lay man this helps me understand free will by linking it to consciousness. for me consciousness is a manifestation of my soul where where true freedom resides and my will can be linked to that true freedom in its ultimate expression.

As a lay man this helps me understand free will by linking it to consciousness . For me consciousness is a manifestation of my soul and is pristine and it is where true freedom resides. My will can be linked to that 'True' freedom and its ultimate expression. E.J.B.

As we ingest light we become more aware and our ability to act is increased due to that increase of awareness that expansion of consciousness

I am happy. Von Neumann architecture is outdated so state of the art computers have consciousness.

Awesome!!!

It's becoming clearer that with all the brain and consciousness theories out there, the proof will be in the pudding. By this I mean, can any particular theory be used to create a human adult level conscious machine. My bet is on the late Gerald Edelman's Extended Theory of Neuronal Group Selection. The lead group in robotics based on this theory is the Neurorobotics Lab at UC at Irvine. Dr. Edelman distinguished between primary consciousness, which came first in evolution, and that humans share with other conscious animals, and higher order consciousness, which came to only humans with the acquisition of language. A machine with primary consciousness will probably have to come first. The thing I find special about the TNGS is the Darwin series of automata created at the Neurosciences Institute by Dr. Edelman and his colleagues in the 1990's and 2000's. These machines perform in the real world, not in a restricted simulated world, and display convincing physical behavior indicative of higher psychological functions necessary for consciousness, such as perceptual categorization, memory, and learning. They are based on realistic models of the parts of the biological brain that the theory claims subserve these functions. The extended TNGS allows for the emergence of consciousness based only on further evolutionary development of the brain areas responsible for these functions, in a parsimonious way. No other research I've encountered is anywhere near as convincing. I post because on almost every video and article about the brain and consciousness that I encounter, the attitude seems to be that we still know next to nothing about how the brain and consciousness work; that there's lots of data but no unifying theory. I believe the extended TNGS is that theory. My motivation is to keep that theory in front of the public. And obviously, I consider it the route to a truly conscious machine, primary and higher-order. My intuitively felt advice to people who want to create a conscious machine is to seriously ground themselves in the extended TNGS and the Darwin automata first, and proceed from there, by applying to Jeff Krichmar's lab at UC Irvine, possibly. Dr. Edelman's roadmap to a conscious machine is at arxiv.org/abs/2105.10461

Amazing, you guys are gonna change the world 🌍❤️

he is a genius

amazing video :) loved it

Gracias 🙏

If you wish to comprehend the infinity of your duality then you must first shift the way you perceive reality. Shift your paradigm with me for a moment by applying the "as above so below" quote to patterns that occur at every scale in the observable reality and postulate that the earth is more a brain than it is a planet and we individual humans are more like neurons - even physically - there is a duality that exists as well throughout the universe at micro and macro scales. Please ingest platos allegory of the cave, zenos dichotomy paradox and meditate on this quote by Nikola Tesla - If you wish to comprehend the mysteries of the universe you have to :think: in terms of energy vibration and frequency - and then try and think and see in those terms - I have a lot to share however without visual aid your minds will not adequately grasp the big picture due to a large amount of perceptual knowledge required to "see" - we ingest energy in this physical dimension through our sensory organs - primarily sight and sound - sight = photons and sound = vibration waves. There is knowledge that can be perceived without the use of the physical form - this is true because as above so below the duality of human beings is a low frequency outer dense shell and a high frequency inner rare energy - "the spirit" if you can only see through the narrow views of programmed and organized religion which is the enemy of light and truth. Anyways.. I hope someone reaches out.. peep my playlist and get in touch. Meaninglessness to the disconnected human is that which is of no use.