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Thank you Christa and thank you GRACE for your stories and important work

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Thank you! This was a blessing! Blaky

Exactly! What Boz says at minute 27!

My husband and I became that healing pocket. The church did not want our healing pocket, and we were KICKED OUT, just in the way you guys described earlier.

What Boz says starting at minute 13:56 is EXACTLY what my husband and I experienced!!!

very grateful for this informative presentation as well as the professionals who offered their expertise along with their own personal experiences.

Thank you for existing. Meeting with Pete Singer and Bob Peters in 2023 was truly a pivotal time for me. I felt seen, heard, validated and believed. I learned a lot in that one meeting and it set me on a powerful path for my own journey as well as others I can come alongside of.

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~❤~..... i have to take a brake for a little whyle. my brain circus°tree is whirling and twirling far, far bee-yond that redhot zone mentioned somewhere earlier, but now i can't remember where also, i need to look up "whackadoodles" (and bee-leeve-you me, there ain't Know telling what kind of hidden meaning this word mite have !? With Hearfelt Gratitude, Grace ~♡◇♡~

thank you for this presentation and the additional resources available.

Justice: that the abuser bear the consequenses (where poss) not the target/victim. Accountability-responsability Truth - break the lies, the backtalking

This is my biggest issue with #IHOPKC. Their response to allegations is nowhere near loving. It’s all about self-preservation. Because God’s call for a 24/7 prayer room is the top priority

Thank you for covering this topic so well!

Maybe if there was no Pascal's Wagering of kids with hellfire and brimstone sermons, this could end.

G.R.A.C.E such a magnificent space for those who are struggling, suffering under abuse within the church - across the board on all issues - including this discussion. 😔 Love the medical emergency analogy! God bless you, THANK YOU for this platform. And although my situation isnt marital at all, the responses throughout this conversation from Hannah are extremely helpful and giving me - much food for thought!

Why isn't there more videos on this? Married Deacon. He was getting intrusive, calling me constantly, texting, pressing me to spend all my free time w him, then came the inappropriate comments, I had a feeling that something was off. Then he would get offended - offended I didn't want to talk, spend time w him. He wouldn't take no for an answer. I felt like he was getting so overbearing - where I began to have to make up excuses to keep him away. He would invite himself over to my house, and when I said No would keep asking. He began talking about how he would reread my texts over and over. I felt like I couldn't breathe. I finally trusted myself and told him how his comments were inappropriate, creepy, and unwelcomed. That I wanted no further involvement or contact in any form. I hope he leaves me alone 😢

Thank you so much for this conversation. Spot on with so many topics.

Thank you for the excellent work you do. We are grateful for reports that your organization has completed. It is fair amd thorough and has uncovered some tragic events that have happened at Churches here in Pennsylvannia and sime recommendatiins for churches whose leaders have failed to protect the youngest and most vulnerable communicant members of a church in Philly.

They use either their good deeds as a promition or their childhood experiences as excuse! Psychotherapists help them supporting the narrative that everyone is victim. In these groups they do not deserve forgiveness or understanding.

One name: John MacArthur

"Persona" "image" "gaslighting" blame-shifting, and manipulation are hallmarks of narcissists, which many of these leaders are.

I have prayed for lots of pastors whose family was from Germany for a deliverance from a nazi spirit -

Exactly what IHOPKC is going through now! Transparency very lacking there! It does not look good for the leadership!

There is just such a church here in central Florida the Senior pastor is extremely narcissistic fired many who questioned his choices such as plagerizing his messages and a lot of other egregious acts. We've all been slandered gossiped about betrayed and fired. He then writes resignation letters which are complete fabrication and reads them from the pulpit. He also has security spying on staff volunteers and members as well as trolling social media. He also forces staff etc to visit his appointed therapist who then violates hippa and shares all of the sessions with this S.P. .

Thank you for all you do

A narcissistic pastor should and can be removed not tolerated. The due process of Matt 18 needs to be applied or this sin of pride will leaven in the church. It doesn't honor God to create TOV and ignore sin.

You really should have explained what a 'pocket of TOV' is - I have no idea what you're referring to.🤷

This was very helpful for me. I have been the target of unwanted touch and unwanted advances for a year now. My first career field was Criminal Justice. I was trained as a crime scene investigator and NY area of concentration was sexual predators. Specifically, the references to intent vs harm inflicted, not to confront the offender as in Mark, and what percentage of unaddressed situations escalate, were very insightful to me. 2 yrs ago I delved into this particular scripture because of a sexual predator in my church that had to be reported to the highest authorities. If someone lays hands on people and God performs a healing or miracle, people believe that validates that person's holiness, and, that person (the one who laid hands) could not possibly be living in lawlessness (fulfilling fleshly lusts) or iniquity (practicing sin perpetually). Jesus never addressed them performing miracles or accurately prophesying all in His name. He directly addressed their lawlessness and iniquity, their double lifestyle, when He said, " depart from me. I never knew you". It seems like such a contradiction that people could move in the realm of healing, miracles, and prophecy and, yet, be living a totally immoral sexually predatory lifestyle.

I am so grateful that you exist. Thank you so much. I have recommended GRACE to many people directly connected to what is happening at IHOPKC in Kansas City. I hope they contact your group

What kind of abuse are we talking about? There's subtle where private concerns are then "preached" about in a sermon. Or blatant abuse such as sexual? There's also gossip, so I wished you had brought this up as many listening don't have words to express why they felt abused . Sexual is another thing, pretty explicit.

The "church" that you are takking about is a non profit business. It is not the church the body Christ. As long as you follow this unbiblical system nothing will change.

So much truth in what you guys shared. It is leaders of both sexes and elders and ministers who create this culture. You described our experience which led to us having to leave our church of almost a decade. Fear of loss of community and being marginilised and villified by church leadership is hurtful and damaging to ones sense of belonging and acceptance. This silences and alienates a believer and denies them true fellowship within that body of Christ. Best to leave and find yourself a group of believers who are full of grace and truth.

Fantastic video! Leaders who bring these very troubling issues to light are the true heroes of the church. After listening to countless videos and stories like these , I just have to say. I think it's time we start calling cases of church abuse what they really are. And that's the devil seating himself in the temple of God causing the "desolation" of the church .Church abuse cases are nothing more than the devil impersonating himself as a pastor or angel of light and causing havoc on the flock..If a leader isn't willing to repent or acknowledge he did wrong, we have to ask ourselves does the Spirit of God live in him?

Great Topic, we are so innocents as beievers 😱

The perfect church on Earth does not exist and you cannot make the perfect church. If you can prove me wrong and find this church DO NOT JOIN IT!!! If you do you will spoil it.

The perfect church on Earth does not exist and you cannot make the perfect church. If you can prove me wrong and find this church DO NOT JOIN IT!!! If you do you will spoil it.

he perfect church on Earth does not exist and you cannot make the perfect church. If you can prove me wrong and find this church DO NOT JOIN IT!!! If you do you will spoil it.

he perfect church on Earth does not exist and you cannot make the perfect church. If you can prove me wrong and find this church DO NOT JOIN IT!!! If you do you will spoil it.

If you have a problem in a church, all you can do is leave, because no one cares.

Toxic? I got toxic. What do you when your family doctor is also your elder, your landlord, your friend, your banker, your mentor, your employer, and your babysitter? When I was finally shunned, this man adopted, yes, adopted my mentally ill daughter as a married adult, still being her doctor, and I haven't seen her or my grandchildren in ten years! I lost everything! I had no credit history, no job history, no rental history, no friends, I am not even acknowledged as a living person. All because I spoke out about the abuse of my grandchildren!

Wow. This is so true. An important to discuss.

Yeah. I was basically called a “witch” after leaving a toxic church by the pastor after calling out his treatment of a young person and his mom. Needless to say, that pastor is no longer in leadership there.

I was even denied to have a voice. Every answer from the church was to protect them and further victimize me😢

So true!! All I asked is if they would consider paying for my counseling and they declined and blamed me for having an affair with the pastor.

So true! The way the church responded was worse in my case! It added to my already hurting soul! I was left trying to figure things out with no support from that church!

I was abused as an adult by my former pastor. I was vilified, and ostracized when I broke my silence. The pastor was suspended for 6 months and brought back with ridiculous conditions. He had a similar situation as a leader in a church in TX and was passed on to my former church where he did it several times before me. It's been 1yr and 3 months since I spoke out and I'm still confused, hurt, ashamed, unforgiving, lost etc. The abuse consumes my thoughts and emotions daily!!! I can't understand how a church congregation and leadership can do someone in my position so wrong, not support, blame, gaslight and make me feel like I was a willing participant. I asked to be heard and was denied but they gave the pastor the chance to address the congregation after telling me he would not be afforded that opportunity. I felt betrayed!! I've tried to get justice the legal route and have been hitting brick walls! This is not fair to be controlled by what seems to be a never ending story day after day. I'm on my 4th therapist and I feel like it's going nowhere and that no one understands and that I just have to suck it up and move on. THIS HURTS REALLY BAD!!!