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It seems horrible now, but there was a lot of confusion, and they had no idea what was taking place, they just thought one of the teams was yelling into the radio instead of communicating normally. I pretty sure who ever told Eric to quit hollering regrets it.

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Conspiracy theory believer.

Yeah, it awful knowing what would happen from about 2:55...the most horrific situation a human being could be put through. I cannot imagine what was going through their minds but I guess its just moment by moment survival and praying for it to pass. Not to be graphic but to underscore what they suffered many had no soot in airways just thermal injuries. Godspeed to those brave men.

He doesn’t know that. Air Attack couldn’t understand their transmissions. The transmissions were broken and over modulated.

The helicopter pilot?

They hear the saws in the background of their radio transmissions.

@@babybrat2958 Negative, the saws can be heard in front of them in the woods! these guy’s could literally hear them using their equipment while attempting to burnout around themselves. If you have headphones you can hear it in the background.

@@isaiah2536 negative they would not be able to hear it due to extreme wind and the roar from the fire. Only way they could hear it is through a radio transmission.

Notice in the movie, when cap says to deploy, the 1st thing that goes is chainsaws, gas, and anything with oil. Yes, it’s a movie, but that makes total sense.

Water would never be dropped on them there would be retartdent dropped in a line to slow it down dropping water on them from an vlat or aa would kill them absolutely would feel like a truck hit them

​@@ashleyjackson4012 Not true. It wouldn't kill them. Especially not when dropping from the altitude they almost always drop from. They wouldn't even feel it. If you are referring to that video of the truck, that plane dropped retardent RIGHT ABOVE the truck. That NEVER happens. It's simply just not how you do things when fighting a fire. And also, water would definitely be dropped in many cases. There are more helicopters with buckets of plain water than there are planes with retardent.

Because they had a mission on protecting the ranch around their. So instead of turning back they decided as a team to continue to the ranch. We must learn from our brothers mistakes so that no one has to go throw this pain

When Brendan left his watch the crew was safe in the black. They made a decision to try and reach the ranch. No one knows why.

Because no one tells them what to do. They were given hints - BRH grilled them about where they were and were going and staying on the black, but they weren't going to be told its not safe get out. That's just how it is. They weren't trying to get out, they were trying to swing around to fight the fire from a different direction. By the time they realised their mistake it was too late, there was fire on both ends of the canyon.

mikeggg1979 they weren’t burned alive, they would have been rendered unconscious as soon as they started to breath the 2000c air

They really weren't burned alive. The ones found outside of their shelters, on their backs, we can ascertain for certain, were killed instantly. They didn't suffer. The second that pyroclastic flow hit them, that was it. As my grandfather used to say, "they wake up in the after life not knowing what hit them," type of instant.

Dont commit swim in lava

Why? Wtf.

@Eric Lee You have no idea what you're talking about and that's such a lie! They were trying to save people's lives!!!

@@famousbowl9926 GM7 was hollering into the mic and air-attack told him to stop. A man has a right to scream or holler when he's about to meet his maker.

aubrey Aubrey It was no one fault. Eric saw the ranch as a safety zone and he wanted to get there to deploy against the fire. Fire can be very unpredictable and you cannot know where it was at. When Eric made the call, he assume the fire was going another way, not towards them The air tankers cannot do their jobs because of the smoke and heavy traffic in the air. When Brendan left his post as a lookout, he was unaware that the fire shifted and his crew took a shortcut to the ranch, which is through the box canyon loaded with fuels. So again, it was no one fault. Just a bunch of mistiming and planning

Joy Collura spend about 15min google the about the fire. There are plenty of reports from people on the ground about what happened, more than what is written in the cleaned up ‘official’ report that doesn’t point any fingers at anyone. ALOT went wrong that day, and it’s not just chalked up to abnormal fire behavior.

The fire is responsible

@@cmonkey525 joy collura was there she was one of the last ppl to see the hotshots on that day as she was hiking and took a pic of them ...I tho the same thing til I read about her meeting the crew that day she saiddl they didn't look as if they were ready to fight a fire but as if they needed rest

All of the above.

Walt Ye no, they needed to stay in the safety zone that they were already in. Instead, they chose to go to another site. Too often we think we can beat the odds and risk our lives on a gamble. This was a tragedy, but an easily avoidable one.

Walt Ye No extra equipment could have saved these men. Following learned basic safety rules they would never have entered this trouble. They chose to leave their safe zone for no justified reason..

2000 degrees Fahrenheit heat wuth flames coming in near horizontal, no stronger fire shelter is going to save you there or it will be too heavy and unwieldy to carry even with two men.

A larger tent isn't going to help anybody in 2000+ degree heat. They not only were hit by a burnover but a pyroclastic flow during the preparation of the deployment site.

Nick Rios I think they died pretty quick bro with temps over 300 degrees 3 breaths your lungs burn up and you die, at 3,000 degrees I think 1 deep breath your done. Out of 19 guys only 7 were found inside their shelters so the fire over took them so quickly most of them were dead within seconds.

The Last Crusader I don’t think they “ left their shelters” their shelters were torn off from the wind

I don't know. I read the autopsy reports, and they all stated that that their lungs had little damage to them. Most of them had more that 60 percent 3rd and 4th degree burns to their bodies. One was burned so badly that his intestines came out of his abdomen and his leg bones cracked from the heat. The cause of death listed for most of them was thermal injuries, not inhalation of combustion products.

THEY WHERE BEGGING FOR HELP! THAT GUY WHO SAID THEY NEED TO QUIT IT NEEDS FIRED

@The Last Crusader they likely didn't make it into their shelters. Apparently a pyroclastic flow hit them.

From what I understand ( i wasn't there so I could be wrong) The smoke column was to thick and high for air attack to get in there. They didn't anticipate the winds shifting 180*

Drew Baledge you are right. And I was not there either. I did some combat tours and I know how quickly situations can go south. Sometimes the cards line up in such a way that this kind of thing can happen. Just got emotional when I made that comment.

I wasn't attacking you I have been reading about it and wanted to voice what i have recently read. You are 100% right, the guy who told the hot shot to quit yelling should have been talked to. I think your right about the comm plan for sure. Sad situation all the way around, those guys were some of the best sometimes the situation is just fucked.

Drew Baledge Thank you. They were the best, so sad.

HE NEEDS FIRED

Rombout Versluijs that is what I was thinking as well.

I was thinking the exact same thing

they were dead way before that...prob no more than 20 seconds after the last "AFIRM" transmission...

That static is from the Granite mountain radio getting burned causing it to transmit before its totally cooked. At that point those men were gone.

firewatch814 I read In a report somewhere that at least one radio was still working(as in turned on transmitting static) when personnel arrived on site. From my understanding a few cell phones and a cannon camera were found operational as well. I'm not doubting your comment but anything is possible I guess...

The movie is sad only the great 😔☹️

Montana forever exactly. Well said. Inclines and descents are extremely deceiving.

I may be wrong, but in reading Brendan McDonough's book, I got the impression that the "bowl" the nineteen hotshots found themselves in pretty much exploded, which was a big reason why they died. Brendan said fire temps in the area where his brothers' bodies were found were about 2,000 degrees. Even with a shelter, you can't withstand that. Even if retardant had been dropped, a lot of it may have dissipated before it even hit the ground, because the area they found themselves in was so hot.

storyofcory That was 3000 degrees, hot enough to melt uranium. They were trapped and with the winds and high flames, they were goners. Brendan's book pretty much tells it like it is. They were going to drop retardant on there, but the winds and flames forced the pilot to abort the drop.

123GoBrits These men were truly heroes but to ask this with all my empathy, who was responsible? Was it Eric marsh? For leading his men down the canyon without having a liable scout that could have possibly told them that the fire was too dangerously close? Was it the townspeople? Bc they put too much pressure on these men to save their homes and livelihoods was it the state for not pulling those firefighters out sooner? Was it the airplane for failing to spray that stuff on the ground? Was it technical support for not having GpS’s on these men and failing to provide working radios? All We know is for one reason or another, Eric led his men out of a safety zone (from the black) into the raging inferno. Did he want himself and his men to die? No!! But my main ? Is did this movie really portray this group in a factual manner? Bc sources also claim that Eric and his Crew were careless and never followed safety rules and were not actually that great of their job and were not shocked by their death, whereas other sources claim that brenden confided in someone and told them that Eric and Jesse argued over the radio before their last moments ( Eric wanted to go into the fire and Jesse didn’t want to go but ended up following Eric after he ordered him too) and lastly, other sources say the movie wasn’t accurate enough in revealing how courageous, and kind these men were along with how great they actually were at their jobs. Some say they were solely responsible for saving numerous people’s lives and ending fires so much so that they gained their elite status and were highly demanded whenever a fire approached anywhere in the country. Regardless in my eyes, I believe how the movie portrays these brave men. I don’t want to believe that Eric was careless and cocky enough to put his men in danger. However it would be rewarding to know more about this story, and in spite of all the controversy regarding this film, if it wasn’t for Hollywood ( I can’t believe I’m saying this) most people would have not even bothered following this story, and now the world honors them. This film was so good and it really shines firefighters in the light they deserve. R.I.P granite mountain hotshots Too many people throw the word “legend” around. But when you went down fighting a legend was born, and you men have inspired me while forever remaining in my ❤️ you are gone but not forgotten.

Let's face facts! Eric and his decision making got all those men killed! that's the true reality of the situation.

Start watching this at around the 5:30 mark 'til the end of the video, and you can see how quickly things deteriorated in the fire area. I don't have the URL handy, but if you do some searching for Yarnell fire vids, you'll find one showing the wind patterns changing on a freaking dime. Brendan McDonough said in his book that winds literally shifted 90 to 180 degrees,and he wasn't exaggerating, judging by that wind pattern video. :(

THANKS FOR SAYING THAT! I LOST MY GRANDSON IN A FIRE

I agree! I know the air guy as a tough job--- but he should know an excited voice means certain trouble. Even ops interrupted and told air to be more aware. I feel so bad that the last voice that man heard is a reprimand---while he's trying to save his crew life. I just read the excellent informative book. Stay tough guys and peace . You’re the dip shit K Although I will admit, that at times, it seems like Bravo 33 is the only entity making a real contribution Yet my point remains correct. OPS interpreted the situation correctly. During the conversation in question the told told Brave 33 to re-evaluate and re- contact GM The book is called, " My Lost Brothers"

What book did you read?

You two want that guy fired? You do realize he was trying to save their asses, right? And you do know prior to the thing blowing up, that guy was given shitty info on the whereabouts of the crew? That ground guys told him the crew was in a safe location, and not in front of the fire? I'm sure you know the guy you say needs fired had just prior to this radioed down to recommend that maybe they should do a "time out" to figure out exactly where everybody was? (They told him it wasn't needed, and was then given incorrect location of the crew that got in trouble. He was told, wrongly, that they were still up in the safe black area). When he told the guy to quit yelling, it was the correct thing to do. (You think yelling into the mic was the way to save his crews life?) He had a lot more going on than this little clip shows, and the hollering on the channel wasn't going to help anyone. The other guy that came on a moment later and said they were cut off and deploying was in the same spot, and he was able to communicate without yelling. and where did an ops guy tell him to be more aware? Who the fuck was more aware? when the "ops" guy chimed in, I think it had just then dawned on him that something wasn't fucking right. Saying the air guy needs fired means either you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you're an asshole, or both. Find out more and see if you feel the same way before throwing bullshit out there.

For whatever it's worth, I have read several comments on other Yarnell vids, left by people who seem to know what they're talking about, that "to quit" actually meant to get out of the way of the fire and stop trying to suppress the fire and get to safety.

Kami Mulder There is nothing anyone could have done for them. From the first message to the time of burnover was a couple minutes. The person who is responsible is really Eric Marsh, who was an idiot. His incompetence got himself and 18 others killed.

frcabot Eric marsh is not at fault he did what he was told up to the point that he realised that the crew wouldn't make it to their safety zone which was the ranch. As it was the fire was right on marsh's ass when he got back to the crew there was no time for them to get back to the black either. Eric marsh made the right call to deploy. You owe those 19 men and their families an apology

JSTreeslayer Pls inform yourself on what actually lead to this disaster! This crew were in a perfectly safe place (black area) & had absolutely no reason heading down into that extreme dangerous area... None! Several basic safety rules were ignored without any justified explanation. Except overblown heroism.. These facts are more important than your dumb agenda of heroic fight, no matter the cost ..! Highly qualified firefighters is explaining important details on other videos on RUclips. These men died bcs of your level of ignorance..

@@OmmerSyssel you are right in pointing out that heroics got in the way that day but even with all of the video footage out there of the Yarnell fire there is no way for us to truly know what was going on or what Eric marsh was thinking until we see him in the afterlife, and you can go ahead and call me ignorant all you want but I am fully aware of what wildland firefighters do and deal with everyday, and lastly my previous comment was done out of anger which I knew I shouldn't have done but I will not stand for someone calling any of those 19 men idiots.

JSTreeslayer I don't understand why so many are obsessed by heroism, hurt feelings & "Ohh, know one knows bla bla" ... Instead of dealing with known facts: That crew was in a perfectly safe place. They didn't have any reason to leave. They ignored several basic safety rules. They couldn't make any difference anywhere in their surroundings. Play your overblown American heroism for dead servicemen as much as you prefer.. Those facts are still indisputable. They died for no reason by very wrong decisions. Tell me excactly why that is heroic & should be ignored in the mental turmoil? Do you want more men acting same deadly heroic attitude, instead of following the rules & staying alive servicing country & family?

THEY WHERE TRAPPED AND THEY COULDNT FIND THEM SO DAMN SAD

SO WHY DID HE COME BACK AND DIE WITH HIS CREW