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@@davidstolkacevs871 :D 🤫 don't tell RUclips, or I'll have to beep it! ;)

It really isn't! Used GG+ and walked away absolutely unimpressed. While all devices in the list are interesting in their own right, GG+ lacks all the features that make the Pinch cool, while keeping the only thing that i would personally consider a "Bug" (The Panic feature) costing and weighing more then a GriGri2. That's why I didn't even mention it in the video.

It’s great to hear you enjoy the videos! Small world, I love seeing familiar faces around!

@@derpenberg7814 Vergo? What's it's unique point of it? How does it stand against competition? Never had a chance to even hold one in my hands.

@ShallWeClimb yes, Trango Vergo sorry. It's definitely different to the typical ATC style because it's side ways when paying slack - wonderful if you get to grips with the different style of belaying but definitely a learning curve.

@@KurtHokage yeah! I was so done! :D

@@therocketeergamer7952 it was cool to meet you yesterday! :)

@@porcupine260680 I would concede it to being 3-4 stars. Not 5/5. It's a good route. But I don't know, sketchy chossy start, cryptic first pitch Crux. Traverse with Crux fall in a tree. All not really what I would consider winning characteristics. It is adventurous though.

Thank you! :) See you out at the Crag! We still have unfinished business at Baldy! :)

@@MatthewWright-y9t it does make it feel way better. But I have tested it in all configurations, but this one just feels perfect! So connected.

I dont think dominating hand is that crucial using a belay device, but I am right handed, so I am speking from a place of comfort. But when top rope belaying I switch hands every time to rest my arms and shoulders. Maybe the can overwriting move would be clunky. The last estimate is that 10% of world population is left handed, for a mouse that changes plastic components and has a HUGE market, that makes senses, for climb, probably do not, unfortunately

@@TomasCordilheira There are more than 10x as many climbers now than there were when the grigri was first released, so if the market was able to justify right handed devices then, then it should be able to justify left handed devices now. All they'd have to do is reverse the molds. You're right that it isn't crucial, but when faced with a choice between a device that can only be used right handed or one that can be used with relative ease left handed, as I said initially, there is no comparison to be made, one is clearly better than the other.

When it came out it was by far the heaviest belay device out there at 245g without carabiner, (Neox at 235g and Pinch at 234) and has more moving parts then anything else still. Just primed to get clogged up with gunk from the crag! I was considering starting with the rant that Petzl was just cloning Revo but thought it wasn't really fair.

@@ShallWeClimb I was concerned about the many moving parts of the Revo at first and only used it for indoor climbing at first. I’m now also using it outdoors and so far it has stayed surprisingly clean and works flawlessly. The Neox is quite different since it doesn’t use centrifugal force. As far as I’m aware letting go with your brake hand can be fatal with the Neox, but with the Revo it should be fine (at least as long as it works correctly, I haven’t found any reports of failures on the Internet).

@@bfkeats that's even worse! But I know some are limited by insurance. And evidently some are just bad on their own

Are you sure?? Pretty sure ontario insurance only allows grigri and double stopper knot after your figure 8. This is what I've been told by a gym owner but he couldve been pulling my leg

That really depends on the Gym! So Boulderz Etobicoke actually Allows lifeguard, and doesn't require stopper knot at all (Like any variation), while Hub allows Neox. Technically if you have grandfathered Tube Belay for TNC - you can belay with ATC like device. (Can't do a test now, but it was possible 5 years ago) but yes, Vast majority - it's ONLY Gri-Gri and ONLY Double fisherman with figure 8. Compared to us where - if you can belay with it, you can use it, and you bring your own belay device even for TR, and Europe where you don't even test, we are backwards here.

In that case it looses all the benefits of faster feed of slack as the tube style is inherently problematic with tall people climbing, but unlike the ATC - Neox does fully lock up with tall boys pulling 2 meters of rope at once. or i need to keep way more slack in the system. Step back and forth technique also only works in the gym or really groomed crag, but will end in belayer tipping on anything we have around here.

​@@ShallWeClimb2 feetd out slack quickly and a lot on a neox, just have your hand infront and and pull it out with your left hand. You'll find the spot for it. Basically you can still dump out like like a Grigri but not with the right hand in the same place

​@@ShallWeClimbbut yes I've had it lock a couple time with tall boys clipping high but it's easy to unlock again

All of them are easy to unlock, but when belaying people at the limit, that lock is what I don't want to have, and what can result in a Clipping fall! With overhang climbing can be a difference between safety and danger of a deck, I'd rather stick to something more predictable, and reliable.

​@@ShallWeClimbto each their own :) happy climbing. When teaching I always say to use what's most comfortable and familiar to you

@@bewimotos yeah. It has these catches that if you fast feed, it just rattles!

Then you are using it wrong. You dont need to put your thumb on the cam to feed out slack at all. It belays more or less like a tube style device

That again is a problem with outdoor functionality - as Tube style will not lock, but Neox will, and unlike gym you can't easily step forward and back at some routes, having far more scenarios where rope shorting can occur.

@@porcupine260680 it is indeed a surprisingly good and versatile, yet inexpensive belay device.

@@박주호-b6f 8a/+ French scale, or 29/30 Australian.

@@chrisfinnegan8370 it's what we have. Not the best but it's climbing and we live it.

@ShallWeClimb 👋 , sorry about that , ,

What? It's a decent climb for around here! :D

Training wheels 😂

@@boydj99 kinda feels like an indoor route, with a volume!

Just cause you can't kneebar to save your life, doesn't make it aid! ;)

Harder than “Happy”? I remember that one taking me awhile haha.

​@@josephskopec7183good question!

@@dbruneau280 oooh! Nice to know! Thank you!

Which route is happy?

@@patrickdobson645 just right of “RP”.

Do you have improvement suggestions i could use?

@@ShallWeClimb Well, I think that the play by play commentary is more distracting than helpful. The visual aspect of climbing, in itself, is enough to behold. Notice that I didn't say anything negative about the video. The route was interesting and the climber did a good job on each clip - just the commentary sorta got in the way.

@@mrakl3 interesting cause there were only one other person agreeing with you and a lot who were asking for the commentary to be more aware of what exactly is happening and what holds to focus on... Both valid. For Show me the power I have two versions and I like the silent more myself, but was asked specifically for the commentary.

@@mrakl3 You are probably not using this for beta like 95% of us who watch these videos multiple times do as a reference tool.

@@kchaste7423 Maybe not. But I've been climbing for long enough that I know what I'm looking at when I see the climber making his moves. I can visualize myself making those moves, in fact.

It is! You should try and join! :D

@@porcupine260680 pretty good one as well!

This is CragX. One of my Favorites in Ontario due to it's steepness.

@ShallWeClimb I thought crag x/y were closed?

@@elenasu7369 thank you

@@ShallWeClimb I also sent this. Thanks for the beta 😄

@@elenasu7369 oh! Congratulations! I'm very happy for you! ☺️

By all means use it! :) That's why it's here! :)

Oddly enough kept faffing up the bottom cause was sick and brain was half working! :D

@@AndyBizzzle they are! Really good start. Climb I believe should have ended on the 3rd bolt tho. But who really cares. Good climb nonetheless 👍

@@danvizmanos6654 thank you! Didn't expect to be able to pull it in less than 3 weeks. :) I'm usually much slower at sends.

Told you the foot swap was mega hard for me! :) don't think I would have sent it if I stuck to it.

Nah! Was shut down on the crux.

Much less scrunchy then the typical beta. But for some there will be about a foot of reach shortage on this one! :D

Two of them are used. 3rd one is stupid and would make the rest harder, so no!

Oddly enough, not the biggest whip anymore, but still by a long shot the sketchiest.

To each their own beta! :) The only wrong variants are if you go off route, or don't send! :)