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Well it will be more expensive if you keep saying how cheap it is inexpensive.

I was always curious how you guys handled flame-outs but now I know that restarts are allowed 😊.

I haven't seen any reviews on these and the specs look amazing. how is it holding up?

I think part of the problem for indoor dirt tracks is everyone is in such a need for traction, people get so upset when the traction is low. I go to 2 indoor dirt off road tracks and all they use for traction is water. One track has more grip than the other but that’s just the nature of dirt. For indoor dirt tracks to be treating them with grip treatment probably cost some money and that’s a bummer for the track, especially if people are hardly coming to race. You can adjust the cars to get some pretty decent grip at both of these tracks. One thing I do when I am out there marshaling is look at the cars when they go by and you will see what kind of grip level is available. Some cars are going to be loose but I bet there will be some that are pretty hooked up. That looser track I go to, I have seen some pretty hooked up cars there, you just have to figure it out; that’s part of the fun of RC racing; well I think it’s fun 👍

Electric is just boring to watch indoor or outdoor doesn't seem to matter still lame unless you're driving and it's still expensive for the beginner batteries aren't cheap and don't seem to last unless you buy expensive ones

Can’t wait for 2025!

Thanks for the plug man! Glad you made this video!

even with everything free and clubbish,its lack of intrest,or nitpicking the details.

In my area the closest club is 2hrs drive away. My mates and I are lucky enough to have free use of an abandoned farm where we have made a dirt/loam track. We race our vintage style buggies most weekends and it works for us all. Our local council is dubious about letting us use public land as ‘it’s a Motorsport and a possible public liability issue’ Meanwhile they have BMX and skate parks popping up everywhere… Great video mate!!

I think one of the biggest issue is to many manufacturers are providing sponsorships. Which leads to people not purchasing stuff from local tracks

Same in the UK we have lost 4 tracks local and further out

I definitely agree with much or all of what you said here... sucks to see tracks closing, especially well established ones. It would be awesome if there were more tracks in public parks and such. Getting exposure for RC racing so more knew about it might be one way to help make parks and cities more interested in having a track in one of their parks. Near me there are a few different tracks, one has been in a park since the 80s and is club run... I help run a club/track in a small town about an hour and a half south of that older one, and we have HRCR not too far from us as well... kinda feel lucky in a sense. Keeping tracks going, whether public or not, is definitely a lot of work. I have been seeing vintage/retro stuff kinda growing here in this area. Hope to see that continue. AE could release a kit version of the RB10 and it might be a popular option for outdoor racing...the rerelease kits from AE, Kyosho, etc are all awesome and might help 1/10 grow again a bit and let older racers connect with RC again and maybe bring in a new generation of racers. PR Racing has a GREAT buggy kit, RM configuration, cheap, and it seriously RIPS on outdoor dirt... they sent the track I help operate one to raffle last season, and I'd be surprised if I don't see at least a few of them running 2wd buggy this season around here. Probably see some Team Car and other RC10s come out a time or two as well. The Team Car finally has me thinking I will build my first ever RC10 soon, and I will definitely be getting the PR kit. 2wd SC seems to still be the strongest class in my area lately. I really hope to see 10th scale grow some in the coming months or couple seasons, instead of the past few years trend, because a few more seasons going in the direction of the last and I think 10th scale will be gonners here in the PNW area, at least for any outdoor racing. cheers and merry christmas to you and yours.

Unfortunately, the RC community is its own worst enemy, just like NASCAR. There is not much effort put toward building a racing community. All local efforts are centered around small groups of middle aged morons who will spend rent money so that they can sink another $2000 into a new 1/8 scale car so they can hope to "keep up with the fast guy". The hobby should be designed to attract more people. RC racing should be at the same level as baseball or football as a hobby. If the RC community would put effort into more affordable racing and make those the most popular classes, while actually promoting the hobby, it would make a huge difference. Near me, we have an RC track at the local city park as well. Since 2008 it's been open. After all that time, they are lucky to have 30 people show up to race a club event. They even slowed races to once a month. No telling how many times I hear people say they didn't even know the track was there. After 16 years so many locals don't even know about it.....smh. It's because they don't try to grow the hobby, they only try to satisfy those few who already show up. If it wasn't public land, it would have been gone long ago. A new mindset and priority would allow the community to become aware of RC and what benefits it offers. The hobby could grow if we were building decent size tracks (not 1/8 scale motocross tracks) that take a life savings to enter and scare away any new interest. More affordable 1/10 scale spec classes would make a huge difference. What do the RC manufactures do?......build another 8S basher or a slightly different .2 8th scale buggy. It's crazy! There is room for these things, but unless we prioritize affordable racing and promote that with investment and efforts 1st and always, you will continue to see the hobby struggle. The slash class was one that brought a bunch of people in and it really didn't get much effort. Imagine a world where growing the hobby was the number one goal and not jumping a house. I don't think it will get better because you all don't even understand what I'm talking about, let alone help to focus on doing anything about it. The manufactures are just as ignorant as the communities who alienate new members. Oh, and 2wd buggy may be popular among current racers because it cheaper, but it wont be attracting new people. 2wd buggy is harder to drive than the truck or short course. Easier to drive is an important factor. Why is that not easy to understand? Now you know why things won't change. Now you all can blast me for bashing your current opinions and views, but the hobby is not growing for a reason!

Maybe just maybe the people who go shouldn't make newbies feel out of place or beneath them. It turns alot of potential RC enthusiasts away, just an observation from every track I've been to.

Hour & half away. Will come watch you guys. Stuck in wheelchair but that's ok. I want to watch a good race, your close. Hate to here tracks are shutting down. Hang on as long as possible.

Cost of tires and parts and equipment is whats killing it,esp on crc black carpet

NIMBY. It is real. But then again that minority that is rc ‘racing’ is too focused with names on shirts, ‘big’ races, and spending mountains on ‘stock’ racing. All these 17.5 build videos when there is barely any ‘stock’ parts left… -U10

Go to a park bring some ramps and cones have fun enjoy repeat don't over think it we don't have to be so professional 😊

Great information, thank you

plz no carpet/astro turff.I run all my 1/10 on dirt tracks from day one..My 1/10 kits have never touched carpet

They will keep going away. This can't be fixed right now. The bashing scene has taken over and it's expensive as hell to race. Only .0000009 people actually race in the rc world. You talk about cheap 😂 it's definitely not cheap.

The economics of keeping an indoor track open isnt viable for most owners of the buildings. Not enough income, increasing expenses thru property tax, utilities, liability insurance etc.

Great tips. But the main reason tracks are dropping off and new ones can't be reformed. Is Lawyers. People sue to easily and a track now has to have liability insurance which is expensive and city government parks and such don't want to expose thier government in such lawsuits .

Yessss

Indoor high bite carpet/glued clay racing has killed Indoor racing. Make 10th scale great again and go back to watered/lomy dirt!

Maybe the answer is in marketing the hobby better?? Just thinking out loud here... If we start working with local Motocross tracks to build 1/10 or 1/8 dirt tracks as a "Club Track", at their facility. That could offer multiple solutions, introduce the hobby to other racers(siblings and children), because a racer has to race, helps bring that track additional revenue, and gives rc a new breadth of options for tracks....The same could be done with the Oval racers at local dirt tracks. maybe this has been tried... either way, as a new racer in the hobby, I hope we find a way to maintain tracks and keep racing.

As an American living in Europe, it's unfortunate to see how many tracks in the US are a business. Almost every track here is a non-profit club with land from the city, and it's rare for one to close. We pay just over $100 each per year to be a member and everyone is supposed to work X number of hours to help maintain the track. It works, if you want it to.

Very interesting points. I'm quite new to the world of RCs having purchased a 2wd basher about 3 months ago. The community and competitive side of RCs is compelling. I started looking at options to get more of that in my life. In my area, the RC crawler community is huge and growing. It is affordable to get started with micros and work up (if you want). There is no track to own, crawling happens nearly anywhere with some rocks. I threw a pile of junk together in the back yard to practice on. Honestly, I am not really into rock crawling. I am into the welcoming community and enjoyable competition. I've built several trucks and have found that the building side is more fun than I thought it would be. Reaching for something more exciting than crawlers, I've been looking into getting started with 2WD buggy as our area still has an indoor clay track. It isn't exactly close, but I could make it work. Quite honestly, I am still very much on the fence deciding to join in or not. I'm not even sure I want to visit the track. It feels like this sport is just not for new people. There is no class that I would call the "you don't know what you are doing, and that is okay - come have fun anyway" class. Right now the entry is "you better know what you are doing, have a pile of cash, and have at least some clue about what is going on so you don't piss us off" class (my impression based on social media posts from our local track). Speaking from a total newbie perspective, this situation may not improve without a major paradigm shift in thinking at multiple levels. Perhaps new guys like myself will re-invent RC racing with fewer rules, more fun, and lower overall prices. Does someone like me need all the RC racing infrastructure to work with our city to setup a dirt oval and get some dudes together with cheap bashers and have hours of competitive fun? I'm not sure we do. It creates a silo, and I can see how that would be less ideal, but I also see few other options. The serious racer guys are much less likely to come down to our level, it seems, and join us for a good bash. Your point about dads and sons is spot on. I got my son a Typhon Grom for Christmas (can't wait for him to open it, he is going to be stoked). He is 10 years old and has been driving RCs with me nearly every day (he is better than I am). Where do I take him to race in January with snow on the ground? I'm certain our local track owner will turn me out on my ear if I so much as grace his doorstop with a cheap car like that. It seems like that is the issue. What are the chances he is going to dig up the fancy ultra-awesome clay track and replace it with a kick-ass basher course every 10 year old (and the 10 year old in each of us) will flip after seeing - just dying to run their new car on? If that place existed, we would go out of our way to be there! Since that hasn't happened, and seems extremely unlikely, how many more guys are just going to give up and go to the local park instead (snow or no snow)? I don't really know much, so thank you for tolerating my uniformed remarks. I just see an opportunity for RC racers to read stories like mine and look into what is really going on. I'd love to join in, but I don't see a spot for my son and I right now. I don't see anyone making room. If I can't find one, I guess I'll make my own.

Nice paint colors dude, great video. In BC Canada we mostly have clubs, no one can afford real-estate here, so clubs for the win.

We have an oval track in North Texas that is doing great and we do have the younger generation getting involved. The track is outdoor and in the peoples yard on their land. He cut the infield out of the oval track the last 2 days to incorporate a 1/10th scale short course to expand to the demand of that market. Oval will stick go on and continue to grow but this move is monumental with Indy closing. We are fortunate to also have an 1/8th scale outdoor track just north of the border in Ardmore, Ok. We also have a very nice covered track just South of Waco towards Austin and they put on some great events. The economy is not good and doesnt lend itself to a vast amount of disposable income and it does cost money to play with toy cars. Mark Santa Maria was very close on his dollar figures. I own land and can financially put a track together at least covered but indoor completely would be ideal. However the numbers Mark tallied up would not make good financial sense to use my land for a track. Its worth more as just dirt and grazing foliage that a giant building that Im not sure would ever get paid for.

It sucks for indoor track but good for the outdoors track

Thunder Alley isn't closing because the business is failing. Their lease or property use agreement with the park district isn't being renewed.

Bummer for sure... I lived out in Ft Myers and ran all the Florida tracks coast to coast for years then droning became big. A couple tracks closed, and a track owner died. Finally got back into RC back here in Colorado hoping the hobby had picked up. Quite a bummer to hear.

I’m just getting back into r/c after almost 8 years away. None of the off-road tracks in my area are open anymore. There’s is one good indoor on-road carpet track just a little ways off from me, but I’m not into on-road. I’ve been considering building an outdoor off-road, 1/10 focused, but 1/8 friendly track on my property. I’m lucky that I have lots of land, and just off a major highway, so pretty straight shot from the larger towns just east of me. I can most likely get the dirt for free, build driver’s stand fairly cheap, get electrical hookups done. Do you think a track like this, without a lease, could actually turn a profit?

You can't fix it. The economy is horrible and the younger people just are not into it. It's just a hobby that's fading away slowly.

The club thing is the way to go for local groups.people are just to lazy today,they just want someone to do it for them....trust me,I tried to get a club started for a small segment of rc going,even got some floor space for us to meet and run.but no one would commit to anything long term and the owner of the floor space just moneyed it into oblivion.... As far as your statement on 10th scale buggies,I guess you don't know associated and kyosho produce a current rear motor buggy platform in production now. That's not the issue in my area...8th scale is king in my area..the only way to race annually is with 8th scale.the problem is its just to dangerous.....Bigger jumps and faster/powerful car equal hurt turn marshals.everybody around here just hands a kid a full race e buggy and sends them up the driver stand....no care over what happens on the track. I have a back yard track and I'm happy there....I raced 8th scale for 20 years...im done sitting around for 2 hours waiting on my 5 mins.

Pro Box Stock classes nation wide. I feel it will keep the newbies interested but at a lower cost to racers. Some people don't the cash at hand to hang with the Pros in the more expensive bigger scale classes.

From what I've seen, any track owner that's renting the building or property will eventually lose the track. Most of the ones I've seen go away are due to the landlord going in a different direction or selling the place, not because the track couldn't pay the rent. There's always some that lose turnout and can't make it but I think that's the minority. If track owners don't get something in a public park or purchase the land, they're not going to survive in the long run.

Yes I am on the hunt for low profile astro turf myself. The price is hard to negotiate with. The non profit club seems like the perfect way to go and by it being open to the public is part of the reason why I was able to get introduced to racing at St Louis DirtBurners

Well said. I believe if the economy gets better we will see an increase instead of decrease

Well said 🤘🏽

Going around a track and putting in laps is fun! I raced in the 90s and started parking lot racing in front of a Hobby Town with an RC10T oval setup. I hope that when I retire to make a backyard track to give back to the hobby. I live in Missouri too around Springfield.

Bottonm line is the market sucks and the economy is getting worse 😑

Very nice

Good video. I think quiet a bit about what makes the most sense when it comes to this. 1. Replace worn parts and buy spares of common wear / break items. 2. Buy new kits at the end of the year and keep your old ones with you at all times, for a full set of spares. 3. Have a practice buggy and a race buggy, this way the race buggy has much less wear in a season + you will always have a backup buggy / parts, if needed. 4. Sell old sliders at the end of the year and buy new kits + spares.

I can’t wait. I’m driving into work right now once I get on my break I’ll watch it.

Theo easy