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True, Taxis due last a long time. Most of them are Toyota’s! As for the oil pressure, my 2007 Outback with the filter at the bottom of the engine mounted (arguably) up the right way, has never had a start rattle or knock sound on start unless I come back from a 4 week holiday. The 2012 Forester makes this sound every morning!

Yes, I’m looking for anyone with a few extra million they have in their top drawer 😉 It would be great to have it at least recovered.

@@ygtotbj Only worth millions if you can prove it's exact identity ;) would be worth 10's of thousands to someone though :)

@@ChickenNugget-dk9hp Well , I know the squadron it came from, and I have down to one of 4.

I’m fairly sure, my engine was one of the years affected by the low tension compression ring saga. It seemed to be a fad with car manufacturers around 2008 and onwards for a few years. Toyota also had an engine recall for high oil consumption. Now they have gone back to the engineering designs of the 70’s that was common sense. It makes you wonder who, in these large and respected automotive manufacturers thought low tension compression rings was a good idea? Really…. Oh, here’s another great idea, let’s put the oil filter upside down but no check valve in the system to keep it primed!

Thanks mate, it seems these engines are prone to a number of OEM induced manufacturing design flaws! After producing the EJ series of engines for over 30 plus years, you would of thought Subaru would have known how to make the worlds most reliable engine! Unfortunately not. Your story, like so many, is one of an engine change. My 07 Outback is still running sweet with 245kms on her.

Ok, so how do you stop the ECU fueling and ignition the cylinders without lifting the hood/ bonnet and removing coil lead? Thanks

@@ygtotbj depress accelerator FULLY during the startup, engine will crank only, as soon as you let go, it will fire up. works for subaru, mazda, and nissan. This method DOES NOT work for toyota. The toyota will rev its bean out at startup if you do this. Hope it helps.

@@ygtotbj Different oil weight also change the crank time. on 0w20 oil, the engine used to take 34 sec (3 cranks) to turn off the low oil pressure indicator. the time shortened to about 26 sec with 5w30. but it's not necessary to crank till the light went off though.

What I’m trying to say in the video is that unfortunately this is a shit Subaru design. They have really screwed up filter design by not using a check valve to stop oil draining out of your filter overnight. If you can hear an engine rattle on start up when the engine is cold that goes away when starting a hot engine, then this is what I’m talking about in this video. Thanks

Yes I agree, however, I recently sold my 04 Toyota Prado( don’t know what you call them in USA). That car had probably if not, the most reliable diesel engine ever made 1KZTE 3.0 turbo. So its oil filter was upside down, but oil light would go out straight away from cold start. I did some research, the Toyota oil system has a check valve down stream of the filter. Thanks

Yes, I think you are right. The young Japanese engineer fresh from Uni who designed this oil system clearly had no one in quality check his work. It is beyond stupidity that this design exists. I put it up there with Boeings MCAS design.

What's a couple dollars more on an oil filter compared to the price of a new engine?

Yes, if you can get a Subaru dealer near you to open on Saturday?

After your car sits overnight take the oil filter off and you will see it will be completely empty. It will need to refill again before you get any oil pressure

I disagree, I can hear the crank rotation with no oil, it’s not a timing chain sound. Or is this another fault Subaru have added to the growing list? BTW, why would any timing chain rattle on start… no oil pressure from crap filter design. There a millions of vehicles out there with timing chains… they don’t rattle on start. Thx

Unfortunately, I understand your frustration…. Such a great handling vehicle but …

Thanks mate. This wasn’t an engine overhaul video, that was done before I purchased it. Just trying to help people out on a positive vibe😀

The older Volvo 240's had goofy filter set-up. BUT, I won't say anything bad about them, my old wagon had well over 300,000 miles with not a single engine issue.

Thanks mate, no serial numbers or markings on wing left. Next time I visit this site I will try and find something for you. Cheers

Went away when I changed the filter 😀

Hey Paul, thanks for the comment. Wish I had found one in a grease proofed packing crate…. Now that would make an awesome video.. not to mention the “who owns it argument “ 😀

Good point mate 👍

Can he put it back together 😀

That’s what he does for a living!

And I’ve got a typo in my first comment, it’s Rolph-Smith

Completely disagree. Try listening to your engine running dry for 2 seconds on startup when cold. An incorrect filter will wear and kill your engine over multiple cold starts. Thx

@@ygtotbj My engine is 11 years old. Still alive and doesn't consume a drop of oil over my 25000 kms drain intervals.

No engine is “dry” on startup. Ever get oil on your hands and try to wipe it off without soap? Same thing happens to everything in the engine. The clattering you hear on startup is the valve rockers before oil pressure gets to the rocker shaft. Those aren’t “dry” either, they have a residual film of oil on them so they won’t be damaged by running for the two seconds it takes for the oil to get there. Maybe I missed it in the video but what damage did the engine have before you bought it? I guarantee it wasn’t from an oil filter but a lack of maintenance

Who is the MOD, why should I care who they are, I’m NOT a naughty school boy. I know the meaning of the word respect when it comes to WW2 history. So you’re telling me Britannia still rules the waves? I don’t think so mate!

@@ygtotbj I meant no disrespect, nor did I intend to insult you. Based on some of the responses to this video, I believed there might be legal problems. I humbly apologize for any offense.

Thank you. Much appreciated. BTW, I know the history of this wreck, no pilot killed or injured. Cheers ​@@matthewcuratolo3719

Not all filters are created equal! It would seem I’m not the only person who has had the exact fault reading through these comments. Some filters don’t hold the oil overnight even though they are advertised as anti drain back filters. Thx

@@ygtotbj You are arguing about nothing. Checking the valve takes a few seconds. Install only those filters which have a 100% good valve. But I highly doubt the problem you are trying to solve is the valve.

Nope not every filter

@@ygtotbj well then dont say "you need an oil filter with an anti drain back valve". Literally states on the SCA website that it does have what youre talking about, instead tell everyone in the video that you need a "high quality" oil filter that will actually hold oil.

@@190daes OK, mate. Making people aware was my intention. Being word perfect is yours. Congrads

Maybe, but not all filters hold the oil overnight. I went through two that didn’t and was told they were the correct part numbers. The 3rd fixed the problem.

@@ygtotbj My filters are always empty when i remove them 20-30 minutes after shutting off the engine. And are full after 5 minutes. It's easy to see on a Subaru engine when you unscrew the filter. So the anti drain back doesn't help in this regard and doesn't keep the oil inside the filter. Also you can easily check if your ADBV works before installing the filter. You don't need to try many filters. Just check if it works.

Yes, these engines had a factory ring problem, my point is that this is a new engine slowly being killed again by shit oil filters. Thx

@@echardcore good idea to stick with OEM filters if you've got a warranty going.

Good reply, only thing is, some inferior brands leak down overnight leading to your engine running dry for a few seconds! Seems to me Subaru had a good design with it on the bottom of the engine. Why change something that works? Thx for your input

@@ygtotbj I think for a few reasons they changed the location of the oil filter to the top of the engine. For one, it's easier to change the filter. For two, it gets really hot down there by the exhaust system and can contribute to higher oil temperatures. I have also heard of damage to the oil filter from flying rocks or road debris. The filters are pretty small for an engine that size, and some people are putting slightly longer filters in such as the RX-8 filter which makes the problem even worse. You can still prefill the filter, but you must hold your finger over the center hole and quickly get the filter on the threads to prevent loss of oil.

Even with a drain back valve the oil will flow through the filter and back down the center hole. Take your filter off after sitting all night and it will be empty. Even with a drain back valve. Upside down filter was a serious engineering fuckup by Subaru.

Thanks for describing it so well!

​@@robm3357interesting 🤦🏾‍♀️

Where do you live? It’s twice that in Tucson

​@@garyhecksel4809Same here in S Indiana. Bought this Forester new 3 years ago. It's one quirky vehicle! Never had so much trouble with a new vehicle before. We'll never buy another Subaru.

I’m driving over from Aus to your service center… might get a little wet on the way 😀

My local Subaru dealership wants over $200 for an oil change, they're rip off artists

​@glennkon it cost me $73 here in Ohio for my '21 Crosstrek Limited @ the Dealership.

When you pull your filter after overnight and it has zero oil in it, you can pretty much assume it’s not working. Not all filters hold oil overnight, that’s my point. Some will work fine with a warm engine restart, but some bleed out overnight and that’s when your engine cops a beating! Thx

I have a 56 F100!

Yep, nice dog pic btw 😀

It was happening to this engine in the morning when the car had been left overnight. This was making the engine wear factor even worse, as when the engine is cold the Subaru ECU high idle auto choke kicks in and revs are high with no oil feed for 2 seconds. Not good!

Richard Head

I think you're a bit jealous, by the tone of that reply.

You could be right, I gave the auto parts shop my VIN and that’s what I got. It has however, solved my problem of no oil feed at startup after sitting overnight. A lot of filters with so called “built in Anti Drain Back” features will drain out overnight which is what will kill your engine slowly the next morning! Thx

No, not all. If you use the part numbers used for the EJ25 engines (filter underneath, it doesn’t require anti drain back as it’s always full of oil. Don’t use this on top upside down!

Regular oil changes and good coolant will keep them going a long time. And yes, I agree, if you rev the crap of it and don’t keep up the maintenance it won’t last. I’ve seen a few Foresters here in Aus 2012 with $500000 kms. So they can get there if you look after them. Cheers

I have a 2012 with 174000 km, and it is still running smooth. Apart from the standard valve cover oil leak, very minimal. If you respect the maintenance they last and won't let you down.

No worries mate

No they don’t, some will leak out overnight. If you look at my short video you will see me removing a filter after over night. No oil in it. My Toyota 1kzte engine filters would always leak a lot of oil out into the drain when removing them. Proof that they always held oil and oil light would go out straight away. Not so with all Subaru oil filters. Thx

The fram ones are the blue ones. Here in the great white north (Canada), we have the Subaru black version. Which is the JDM version.

@@ygtotbjall oil filters pointed downwards will lose all their oil even with an anti drain ack valve. It aint a tight seal. Open one up

Thanks mate.