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I was typing a detailed reply on the differences, but as I started to compare them, the Air65 is just better. The Cetus Pro doesn't look like it has any adjustable camera angle, whereas the Air65 does, though both will probably be too high for a beginner, or even some intermediate pilots, anyway (I've modded my Air65 to lower the camera angle). The Cetus frame is hard plastic and will break with hard crashes (like mine did on concrete), whereas the Air65's frame is softer plastic and is a bit flexible. Paired with the lighter weight, the Air65 will bounce off most things before it breaks, though the canopy is a bit stiffer and is the most likely thing to break, so be careful flying under stuff. The Cetus Pro frame, if it's anything like the Cetus X frame (which it mostly is), isn't very good for intermediate moves like dives, power loops or split-s, it catches too much air underneath resulting in tonnes of propwash. The Air65s frame is more aerodynamic in the Y axis (like when you're falling), but indoors you're not likeliest to do much of that anyway unless you have a big at least two story house. The Cetus Pro uses the FrSky protocol, whereas the Air65 uses the more widely adopted ExpressLRS. I haven't compared the two, but I don't think many people will dispute me saying that ELRS is better ... we'll see. I got the Cetus X kit because it was ELRS and I thought it would be able to grow with me a little, but it isn't quite as versatile as I hoped. It's fine for the Cetus and Air65, and will be fine for the Air75 I have coming, but I got an AvionRC Ikon 3 too and the video signal is terrible because of the different antenna polarities and the range of the radio isn't great. I'm going to swap the antenna on the drone to a linear like the goggles and hopefully that'll make it usable at least, but I'm already looking to upgrade and I've only been flying for 7 weeks! Hope that helps. Thanks for stopping by and the question! 🙏 Edit: The only thing that the Cetus Pro has that the Air65 doesn't is altitude hold and some other beginner friendly features, but you're not likeliest to use those anyway as they're only on in the beginner modes and you probably want to fly acro.

@@TheWaddler Very helpful, thank you! Are you considering upgrading your goggles?

You're welcome 👍 Yes, but I haven't decided to what yet, that's why I'm hoping the linear antenna on the Ikon 3 will postpone the decision. My original plan for when I outgrew the BetaFPV VR03 goggles was that I might be ready for HD by that point and I would go for the HDZero goggles. But as I'm only 7 weeks in, I'm not ready to dump that kinda money on goggles just yet! I'm looking at the SkyZone Cobra X goggles, but they feel like kinda a waste as they're only good for analog. I don't want several analog goggles, because they're typically only good for analog and I don't very often sell stuff. HDZero are releasing a new cheaper goggle at some point in the near future so I'm crossing everything that they too have a module bay or at least a HDMI in.

​ @TheWaddler just so you know its fine to use a linear antenna with a circular polarized antenna, you do get about 3db of losses compared to having both linear on the quad and the goggles but you gain the advantage that you get the same signal regardless of the orientation of the quad. 2 linears may get you better range when the antennas are perfectly parallel but as soon as they aren't the signal goes out the window compared to the losses with a circular polarized and a linear at around 20db. I would say your problem is more likely to be that your vtx is stuck at 25mw or in pitmode, you may have to unlock it somehow. That or you have a loose antenna connection somewhere

Thanks for the comment benryfpv. The problem is the linear is on my goggles and the circular is on my drone, the other way around I don't think it would be so bad. I tried my VTX at every power output up to its max of 600mw and the problem is the same, it's also not in pit mode. Though I don't have the kit to verify that the output is what it says in Betaflight. I've also reseated the mmcx on the VTX and it's still there. It's possible that the antenna wire got broken somewhere in transit, but I can't verify that either. I get black rolling static at certain points and it's basically unflyable. I've barely flown it at all. No one can seem to answer what the problem is, but AvionRC support says they know some that had the problem too and it seems that diversity on an ImmersionRC Rapidfire fixed it. Edit: Also the weird thing is that the static is not recorded in the DVR recording on the goggles, the video is completely clean!

Sorry, I thought I'd already replied. That's a good question. I bought an AvionRC Ikon 3 and it doesn't play well with my goggles, but I'm having trouble deciding what to do. I've changed the antenna on my goggles and the drone and the issue is still there so it must be my goggles. But as it's coming into winter and I'm probably not going to be flying it much, I think I should wait. I had planned to upgrade to HDZero at some point, but because I'm only 7 weeks into the hobby, I'm not ready to spend that much on gear yet. But I also don't want another set of purely analog goggles, because I think they'll be a waste. HDZero are releasing a cheaper set of goggles at some point, so I'm hoping they'll be what I'm looking for, ideally with an option for analog too (like a module bay or HDMI in). If I do get another set of analog goggles it could be the Skyzone Cobra X. I also want to upgrade my radio to the Radiomaster Boxer, because my Lite Radio 3's range isn't great as it has internal antennas. It's an issue on the Ikon 3, but not the Cetus X or Air65. Again I haven't decided which Boxer to get, Standard, Max or Crush. I'm leaning toward the Crush as it still has the AG01 gimbals like the Max, but it's cheaper.

Thanks for watching 🙏 I'm using the BetaFPV VR03 goggles and the BetaFPV Lite Radio 3 that came in my BetaFPV Cetus X RTF kit.

Cheers bro 🙏

First off, make sure you start in an FPV sim, not vr, they aren't the same. Fly in the sims first because you will crash A LOT and it will cost you a fortune if you crash your drone IRL. There is a list in the description of the ones I have played, DRL and FPV Skydive have good beginner tutorials. You can follow Joshua Bardwell's Learn to Fly FPV playlist in the sim: ruclips.net/p/PLwoDb7WF6c8lCKhQOTy-Vb9LfW0VAIrTP&si=EISnOezF6IYaWvNA Spend at least 10 hours flying in the sim and make sure you're mostly comfortable with at least the first eight of Bardwell's lessons (number eight is a troubleshooting one, so seven really) before flying IRL. If you have already spent the time in the sim and want to fly IRL, you will need a drone, lipo batteries, radio and goggles. I'd recommend getting a RTF (ready to fly) kit, that way it'll come with everything you need and that's guaranteed to work together. Here's a good video for an idea, I have the Cetus X kit: ruclips.net/video/0qaN7sU8V_0/видео.htmlsi=jRG2EvZ7jcaUHr2U Analog is the cheapest option, which this is. This is what the goggles are displaying and recording. I could throw much more information at you, because there is a lot to learn in this hobby, but I'll leave it there for now. Those are the basics and will get you in the air eventually. Take your time, don't get discouraged, FPV ain't easy. Hope that helps, good luck and happy flying 👍

It ain't easy, people think it's like playing video games. Thanks for watching 🙏

Nice dude, happy flying 🎉 Here's a trick, change the throttle mid and add some throttle expo. You could probably set both these at 30, but to best set it you'll need to turn your throttle position on in the osd then go fly. You're looking for the throttle position where you're moving forward at a constant speed and you're not losing or gaining height. This is the number you set the throttle mid. The throttle expo is how much resolution you want around the throttle mid, more resolution means the drone won't be as twitchy on the throttle. You could also scale the throttle down a bit meaning max throttle will be only whatever percentage you pick. I'd suggest 60-70% should make it much more controllable. Add the throttle mid and expo first: oscarliang.com/rates/#Throttle-Mid-and-Throttle-Expo ... that might be enough, if not scale the throttle: oscarliang.com/reduce-power-throttle-taranis-betaflight/ Hope that helps 👍

@@TheWaddler Ok Thanks , tomorrow i Will test it

Haha maybe, I haven't really looked into it 🙏

The Cetus X I fly outdoors is 2s and I might end up getting a Air75 as a jungle gym basher as Ciotti would say! Thanks a bunch dude 🙏

Good question. I always thought I would thumb, but as soon as I got a proper radio and realised how far the sticks move, after the first couple of flights (or it might have been my second session, of four packs), I knew I had to try pinching. I still have my thumbs on top, but when the sticks get too far for the range of motion in my thumbs the index fingers take over. Plus I found I was too twitchy with just thumbs, so having the index fingers touching the sticks helped smooth out the movements. 🙏

@@TheWaddler Ok, because after many hours of Simulator I also bought myself a kit, which has yet to arrive 🫠. I also use the PS4 controller and now on Wednesday the RadioMaster Pocket arrives, and I hope I don't have to change the grip because this way (controller style) I feel very comfortable. Now that you told me that it is possible to feel uncomfortable due to the Sticks being too high 😬 , I hope that the Sticks don't give me problems. But in my case of the Pocket I can change the sticks and adjust them, I don't know if the beta fpv one also has the possibility.

Not everyone changes, there are many great pilots who are thumbers! It's whatever feels comfortable to you, but as GarethDix said in his getting started with FPV just try it for a bit and see. He is also a gamer and thought he'd be a thumber, but now he hybrid pinches. Can't remember if I've asked you already, how many hours do you have in the sim so far? Just curious, as I'd be interested to see your first flights if you'll upload them or hear about your progress. The Lite Radio 3 has the possibility to change the stick ends, but I couldn't find any in stock that I thought would suit me, so that was another reason I changed to hybrid pinch. It only took me a day or so to get used to it, but I changed pretty early on in my "first radio" experience.

@@TheWaddler Ok Thanks for the reply. I have almost 50 hours in sim, if you want I can send you on telegram a video on how I fly. I can post my first flight in about 1 month on RUclips because everything still has to come and then obviously I'll see how to publish my progress and my first experiences on YT. 😄

@@Son1c55 No problem. I don't use telegram unfortunately, so no worries. I'll look forward to seeing your first flights in a month or so then 👍

And I was still holding back because I still don't want to go too fast and lose control. Thanks man 🙏

Thanks so much man 🙏 Pretty pleased so far, but I feel a plateau coming soon ... so I just buy more gear right?!! 😂

Thanks 🙏

Cheers man 🙏

Not sure where it is anymore, you'll have to ask in the Beam Wheeler discord: discord.gg/YjWGN4kd

It sure does! Tiny 65mm drone that is perfect for indoor flying. Nice, are you using a proper radio or a video game controller? I played so much with a game controller that moving to a proper radio IRL was quite different! If you're serious, get a radio asap. Regardless don't rush the training, focus on learning the basics first like throttle control and smooth flight, especially if you plan on doing close proximity stuff like this. That will help more than just getting in a sim and yeeting the drone into space! Happy flying!!

Sorry I missed this. I said this in a previous comment, but none of them really. There are some that have realistic feeling physics (gravity mainly), but most of them aren't realistic because they don't incorporate air simulation, though they'll get you half of the way there. Here are my picks; the one I've spent most time in is FPV Logic, because the maps are phenomenal and the most interesting for freestyle, if you want to race then probably DRL, and if you want to fly whoops then Liftoff Micro Drones.

That means a lot, thanks dude 🙏 FYI, it's been three weeks since I got my Cetus X! Unfortunately I don't plan on flying this Air65 outside, I don't think I'll gain anything from it. Atm I want to keep this as an indoor only bird, for winter and rainy days. I may get an Air75 or equivalent for a 'closer to whoop experience' outdoors, but for now the CetusX is my outdoor rig. Speaking of, I got some good flying outdoors with the CetusX today, so I'll be uploading that in the coming days 😉 *Spoiler alert/Teaser* Think power and split 😁

Thanks so much man 🙏 Thought acro was better than air for the low flying I'm doing atm. Check my reply to vcuelectronik for the full explanation of why I think that 👍

Good question! I felt, with the type of flying I'm doing at the moment being so close to the ground, that air mode would fight me every time I touched the ground. If I clipped something I would drop the throttle (I don't know if that's the right thing to do), but that meant that I would more often than not touch the ground, because I was flying so low. Then obviously the quad would start bouncing, so I felt it was better just to turn off air mode. I have it set up on my right hand three position switch; furthest away from me is air mode on, middle is air mode off and closest to me is turtle mode. When I get my gates from Tiny Whoop and set some up hanging from the ceiling, I might switch back to air mode because I might be doing more 0 throttle moves and air mode will help, but as I'm flying now I don't think it's needed.

Exactly, stick time ftw! Thanks man 🙏

Thanks man! Somehow the drone feels much bigger flying than it does holding it or comparing it to my Cetus X!! Keep thinking I can get through a gap and then hit a duct and crash 😭😅

Eyy nice! Yeah I bought an Air65 because the CetusX is too powerful to fly indoors, flew it for the first time today. You should be fine with the OG Cetus indoors, with some practice. Quick question, have you spent any time in the sim before flying for real? Not to judge, just curious, and did you think it helped? I'd say your cats are going to love chasing it more than you risk hurting them! 😅

It's more like 20mx12m, so 240sqm, but I get your point. I'm more about close proximity freestyle flying (though I'm yet to try proper freestyle tricks IRL), rather than long-distance cruisy flights, but each to their own. My plan when I build a proper open prop quad, so not a whoop which is all I have currently, it will only be a 3-inch, so the speed and flight space won't be massive like a 5 inch. I want to stay sub 250g because of the drone laws here in the UK.

The difference between the sims and IRL isn't as big as I thought, after experiencing it. The only thing that no sim has, that is the biggest factor in portraying realistic flight, is air simulation. The drone behaves differently and unexpectedly when doing close proximity flying and no simulation can replicate that yet. Aside from the floaty physics some simulations have, the physics are mostly there in terms of the realism of gravity and thrust, but I only have the 2 inch Cetus and now a Air65 (indoors) to relate the physics to. So the difference to me isn't drastic, but it's there.

I said in the description, I was playing the sim with a PS4 controller. It's totally different to a proper radio. If you check out some of my latest uploads you can see that I'm getting used to the radio now.

@TheWaddler oops I didn't see that part. Of course that doesn't count then. With that said your doing very well! Sorry for the fup

Thanks for the honesty, it's all good 🙏 I definitely hit a point of diminishing returns in the sim with a PS4 controller and I would have benefitted from getting a proper radio much sooner, but I still enjoyed it, plus it's help with some muscle memory. I only carried on because I hadn't gotten a real drone yet, I didn't set 130 hours as a target.

And I put that as the title for clicks, I knew I was going to get people call it out and not read the description, this ain't my first RUclips rodeo 😉

Thanks man, pretty pleased with how well I can do them IRL! 🙏 Haven't been able to fly so far this week because it's been raining 😭 Going to get an Air65 for flying round the house while it's raining and for when winter comes. When they come back in stock that is 😭

Thanks man 🙏 Happy flying!

Haha! The canopy on the Cetus X is good in that you can adjust the angle easily, but every crash it adjusts itself. Check out my other flights, they're much more different 😉 I'm using the LiteRadio 3 that came with the kit, it's alright, but it's definitely the thing I'll upgrade first. I've got an Inst360 now so I can have a stick cam. Probably going to pick up a Boxer Max as a proper radio. I'm going to get a 65mm whoop next so I can fly that indoors during winter and to compare to the 2 inch Cetus X, but then I'll build a 3 inch as my first big boy open prop quad and keep it sub250. I'll be flying freestyle only, not interested in racing or long range 👍 Thanks for watching 🙏

It was bound to happen, I don't feel too bad about it, but thanks, I'm interested to see your experience with crashes. I don't wish for anyone to crash, because it can be expensive, but it comes with the territory, plus it reminds us that we're only human, we make mistakes and from time to time, even the pros do as well! Thanks for watching 🙏

@@TheWaddler here’s the secret no-one tells you… you never stop crashing, you just learn how to crash harder and worry less about it 😂

@GarethDix Haha ain't that the truth! 😂

No doubt, but I say in the description, I was using a PS4 controller. I'm not '130 hours of experience' good on a proper radio and that's what's holding me back atm.

Haha clearly! 🙏

Thanks a lot 🙏

Cheers 🙏 The Cetus X kit comes with four 1S batteries and the drone takes 2S, so you get two flights with the base kit. I bought an extra four batteries, so I have four packs. Because of work I only get time to fly four packs in the evening and by the time I've eaten and charged the batteries again it's getting dark and not worth flying again.

Yeah I really should, good shout. My phone's running short on space though. Maybe I'll have to splash out for a GoPro ...

Thanks for watching and sharing your experience 🙏 There definitely is a learning fee, check out my latest video 😏 You're less likely to make the same mistakes if it actually costs money ... maybe haha! Speaking of the "too powerful", got a great tip from @RCwithAdam 's Cetus X video. In Betaflight (not sure if you can do it with the other version), change the throttle mid to 0.30 and add 0.30 of expo. It makes it much easier to control 👍 I'll probably end up removing it at some point though, when I get better stick control.

@@TheWaddler so far I just capped the max throttle at 70%, as I thought this would be a good idea. But I will try like you wrote.

@@SaarKing71 See what you think 👍 This method works different than a throttle cap or motor limit. The expo definitely makes it softer, but the key part is the throttle mid. Having done some research, Oscar Ling has a good explanation: oscarliang.com/rates/#Throttle-Mid-and-Throttle-Expo But basically, setting throttle mid only works by also setting expo. It puts the expo on the throttle mid value giving you more throttle resolution at that point, so in this case 30%. The idea is to set the throttle mid at your cruising speed so that you have more resolution for the fine movements on the throttle at that point. This way you still keep 100% of the motor max in case you need it, to get out of dives or power loops for example (though I'm not there yet).

Hopefully 👍🙏

Thank you so much 🙏 Nice choices there, looking forward to seeing some of your first flights with the new kit when it arrives 👍

Thanks dude 🙏 It definitely does require practice, but real IRL practice. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns in the sim. No matter how close the physics are in a sim, they won't be the same as real life. Sims definitely have their place for building the foundations, but I should have gotten out flying IRL sooner and I think that would have benefitted me much more. I also definitely see a lot of potential in my garden for fun lines, can't wait to get more comfortable to be able to explore them!

Liftoff Micro Drones has a Cetus X so I had flown this drone a bit in the sim beforehand. I only flew 130 hours in the sim because I hadn't got a real drone yet, not because I needed to spend that much time to get better. There was definitely a point where I didn't get any better in the sims because I was using a PS4 controller. If I'd have started the sims with a proper radio then i definitely wouldn't have needed all that time.

Each to their own. I'm interested in freestyle, tricks and gaps, not racing or long range. I also don't think I'll ever buy DJI, but you never know. My plan when I decide to move to a digital HD system is to go with HDZero, I'm not that big into closed source technologies. No Apple or DJI for me thanks 😅

@TheWaddler definitely not apple. The thing i like about dji is you take it out of the box and fly it. Simple as that. I probably get a 5" with 03 unit so I can use my current control and goggles. I like the smart things about dji fpv like when you loose signal and can't see anything it stops and ascends and returns home. Very useful and money saving

That would be so cool! We can dream

You'll love it dude! What did you get?

Yes it's elrs. I plan on getting a Boxer, probably the max, as my first proper radio, but I'm going to use this as much as I can first. Yeah this is a bit small for hybrid pinching, but if I can get good with this setup then I'll be amazing on a boxer max! One can hope 😅

@@TheWaddler sometimes you develop habits that you don’t realize by using a certain set of sticks. I spent a ton of time on my pocket and when I tried a tiny hawk controller it felt so odd and I had to adapt to that. Don’t get me wrong once you reach a certain level you can general pick up anything that’s tuned and fly it. Just comes down to how you want to fly it.

@@stuartwilson5827 That's very true. Maybe I won't spend quite as much time with this radio as I planned, but I am only on my fourth day with it and I doubt habits from that quickly. I definitely picked up the odd bad habit from the PS4 controller that I used in the sims for 130 hours, like 0 throttle isn't centre stick 😂 Thanks for the advice 🙏

@@TheWaddler no problem you got this! We are all in this together! Hope to see more!

@@TheWaddler Deff get a Boxer!

Thanks man, I was pretty proud 🙏 Probably going to visit my local playing field when the wind has calmed down to get some height and try some split-s. I want to split-s the gap between the centre tree and the willow in the far right (from where I'm stood), without sending the drone into another garden 😂 Hopefully this week 🤞

@@TheWaddler as you're flying around the garden I'm thinking I would do this and this in that space... but 2 days in I think I would be thinking I'm not sure I can keep it on this side of the fence 🤣

also my friend fastest way to burn an esc is turtle mode flip over in grass,even a bit of grass can impede prop and overload esc and you get the magic smoke.

Yeah I know coordinated turns, I just wasn't used to my radio yet as these were my first four flights. I need to upload my flights from yesterday as I was much more confident . Now you mention it I do remember hearing that about turtle mode. I was only doing short bursts and it's only a small quad so I don't think it's pulling enough amps to blow it, but I'll bear it in mind. Thanks for reminding me 🙏

Haha thanks 🙏 Oh wow, how long did that Vannystyle last you?

@TheWaddler I still have it as my daily ripper. Just broke an arm hear and there and also getting into racing so that's where most of my money goes right now but it's all worth it

@@EuniceFPV Oh nice, it's done you well then! I'm focussing on freestyle, but enjoy 👍

What did you upgrade to from the Aquilla? As far as I could tell from the reviews the Aquilla was alright as a cinewhoop, but pretty incapable as a freestyle drone. That's why I went for the Cetus X, because it was at least capable of intermediate acro tricks. Once I get comfortable with intermediate tricks (or break it) I'll build a 3 - 3.5".

For sure, I was bitten a couple of years ago and spent so much time in the sims that I thought it was about time I bought one! Loving it so far 👍