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I love that quote from thane

Tali'zorah has dialogue if you destroy or rewrite the heretics

Now take what these opinions mean, and tell me the Synthesis end to ME3 is anything but character betrayal

The best choice for the third game is destruction of the heretics.

My favorite/ most intriguing part about this moral discussion is coming from your Renegade prompt, to which Legion would agree is from the most logical standpoint. Squadmates like Garrus or Thane especially would be shocked with Legion siding with you since synthetic values & organic moral values are different

I don't understand why destroying the heretics is considered the renegade option when half of the squad agrees reprogramming is worse and the other half say it's the same as destroying

1:52 Mighty ironic, what Tali has to say here... Considering the plans of the quarian flotilla.

I like how Samara treats death and change the same way, symbolically speaking.

Tali and garrus give the best opinion

"Maybe that's how AIs settle religious disputes" Gotta love Garrus!

I love how everyone seems to think that reprogramming them is morally wrong, but if you reprogram them, you get Paragon points.

Love how thane and Samara shared the same opinion, replaying Legendary edition again so here i am drawn to random mass effect vids again lol.

They do not share your pity, remorse or fear. Please tell me I'm not the only one that was hoping the legion would say and they absolutely will not stop ever until you are dead! ( A little quote from the very first terminator movie)

Legion’s last line seems to be a reference to _The Terminator._ It’s basically the exact same description Kyle Reese gives of the T-800.

They tell us everything they are doing to us. Wtf world are we living in

*WREX* Thank you for bringing me the head of clan Urdnot, T'Soni. His rival clans will pay well for his death. *KAIDEN/ASHLEY* Bringing an alliance soldier is typical, T'Soni. Considering how expendable they are. *JAVIK* I'm obliged you brought the prothean, T'Soni. The collectors will welcome back a long lost brother. *JAMES* *VEGA* I'm surprised you brought Mr. Vega, T'Soni. Considering that he sacrificed an entire human colony.

I can't get over Grunt's helmet moving with the little mouth flap 😂

3:10 The most interesting response of an NPC that I’ve ever experienced is if you choose the “They’re just machines.” Dialog option.

Ewwwwwwwww gross. Femshep. Heretic.

This answers how each member feels about the finale in me3 whether to destroy/synth or control

I never even seen half these helments in all the years cause I always just bring Tali. All the time

I always though that reprogramming them was the "kinder" option. Now I think otherwise.

The amount of time it must have taken to reload that same checkpoint each time for a new reaction.. now THAT is dedication

I really hate the squadmates outfits in ME2. It's one thing that they just wear clothes instead of proper armor in battle but it's another to not wear proper pressure suits in vacuum or dangerous atmospheres.

Always bothers me that some squadmates don't have hermetically sealed outfits It's not healthy being in a vacuum without a space suit

Personally I feel like brainwashing is a loaded term. What is brainwashing? You can convince me abortion is wrong with an eloquent well researched argument. Or you can subject me to 72 hours of pro-choice documentaries on the matter with my eyes taped open. In the end it's all established through electrical signals pulsing through neural pathways. The process is the same. Either way I'll be no less alive than I was earlier. Like waking up after a dream with a brilliant startup idea that apparently came from nowhere. It doesn't mean I died, unless you think we die everytime we go to sleep and wake up as a new consciousness without being able to confirm we were previously killed and replaced with a doppleganger with identical memories to the person we just replaced. The brain is an organ but it is not you in your entirety as we are a multicellular organism.

1:13 Jack: "Wow, great choices. Genocide or brainwashing. If you screwed with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me." And Cerberus does exactly that: brainwashes Jack and make her fight against you, if you don't save her from Grissom Academy.

Geth is an Ethereum client that runs on various operating systems, including Windows, macOS, and Linux. So, yes, Geth can be used on Windows. Geth is written in the Go programming language, which is a cross-platform language that can be compiled to run on different operating systems. Therefore, users can run Geth on their preferred operating system, including Windows.

Kasumi sounds like a destroy ending fan. Thats one reason to like her

I wonder if the last line was a reference to terminator

I feel like I'm one of the few people who has zero moral qualms with rewriting the Heretic Geth. Like... If I had a deep conviction that was causing me to do unimaginable harm and leading to the destruction of an entire group of sentient people (or *multiple* groups of sentient people), I think I'd rather have that rewritten, even if I would absolutely hate it at the time. Then again, considering that I think that way... It's unlikely that I wouldn't be able or willing to reconsider such a harmful stance on my own power.

I feel like Jack is the most down to earth character in the game, she is like yeah I've been through a lot of shit and expect bad things to happen but she has a certain sense of empathy. She wouldn't want to be hurt or controlled so that's why she fights so hard, she understands that others wouldn't want that either she just isn't going to let it happen to her.

You can still broker peace between the geth and the quarians even if you rewrite the heretics in ME2, just keep legion and tali alive during the final mission, make sure you settle their argument without taking sides, and in ME3 make absolutely sure that you save that quarian general on Rannoch. Peace can still be made ✌🏻

Love that terminator reference at the end “It can’t be bargained with, can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop until you are dead”

Thane and Samara were the wisest.

They die either way. The only real choice is whether or not you trust Legion. If you do, then it's wise to give his team more resources. If you don't, you shouldn't. Which is why the virus is the paragon choice here.

I've never seen half of these space helmets. Grunt's looks goofy, Zaeed looks like he's from 40k

If some of the Mass Effect 1 squad mates were present... *Ashley:* Either way you put it, the geth won't be a problem anymore. Though if they're reprogrammed, they could still come back to bite us in the ass somewhere down the line. I say we just destroy the geth and be done with it. *Kaiden:* Whatever we do, the geth won't be a problem anymore, but I don't know. It seems wrong to force anyone to change their way of thinking, even if it's for the better. I know _I_ wouldn't want that. Probably better to destroy the geth here. *Wrex:* I'm getting _real_ bad Genophage flashbacks with all this talk about reprogramming crap. I wouldn't want that on anyone, even my enemy. Better to kill them than to leave them as empty husks of themselves. *Liara:* Shepard, you and I have seen what things like indoctrination does to people... to my mother. To be forced to being a prisoner in your own mind, being forced to act against your own morals, attacking your friends and family. Killing these geth would be a mercy.

Wow, I haven't seen the oxygen masks of every squadmate until now. And I still think Garrus has the best helmet/oxygen mask.

You skipped additional squaddie dialogue in this tree -- if you choose the lower-right option for ending the conversation, the squaddie has more to say.

If a person is consciously making the choice to do evil, there's nothing wrong with brainwashing them to make the choice to do good. In fact, I'd say that's a better outcome than simply killing or imprisoning the evildoer, as now that person becomes productive and benefits society.

i prefer the renegade dialogue as Shepard states that "if this was an organic race, it would be a problem" and legion agrees with that statement, that and i dont like the quarrians all that much for throwing themselves at the geth.... again later on

The geth are just a tool, soulless machines, what's the moral dilemma? Just destroy them all for all the atrocities they did to the quarians and the rest of the galaxy.

The way I saw it, it's not brainwashing if the brainwashing has already been done. Mind control is a powerful tool, one that Reapers love to use. Legion (or the Geth consensus) is saying those heretics "chose" the old machines. But wasn't Saren also fully convinced that he was helping the Reapers out of his own free will? If the Reapers' intention is to use the Geth and then discard them, the way of the Collectors, then you can not say with confidence that the heretics truly chose this path. To say that they are being fooled, and used, is undermining the existence of indoctrination. Therefore, the true paragon path is to overwrite. Free the Geth from indoctrination with as little casualties as possible. I feel like the morality of this choice fades if you consider the vast and toxic consequences of Reaper control. If an organic species was being infected by a virus capable of mind control (and some do exist among animals and insects), we would cure them without a moment's thought.

Surprisingly Mordin is the one kinder to reprogramming, given he sentence countless Krogan babies to die before their lives begin. You really can tell that he is feeling that hiden guilt.

Thane makes a good point

Is it bad that when I played this game when it came out I picked reprogram without fail each time? To me they were machines, not true AI, they follow programing and don't think about morality or reason.

I just look at it as undoing what the Reapers have done as they only became heretics because the Reapers infected them with that virus and brainwashed them

They all talk about that right in front of him like he's not a threat though

Regardless of ethics, it never made practical sense to re-write the heretic geth in ME2, whether Shep is Renegade or Paragon. There's an obvious reason why it shouldn't be done, though no character in ME2 offers that reason. *Legion and his geth couldn't explain why the Heretic geth went heretic in the first place.* The obvious implication there is that the individual programs in the heretic faction were 'naturally' inclined toward ideological support for the Reapers. Re-writing only resets the heretics to a pre-Reaper worship state, with no safeguard against them just making that choice again. As such, it was logical to expect the formerly heretic geth to eventually return to Reaper worship. Aaaand that's exactly what happened.