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Does the 17 round mag fit flush with this frame ? I want to order it for my x macro

Red Dots are good but I hear there is something better.

Thanks. I use iron sights except for one Red Dot for longer ranges. I shoot fine with irons if I keep up with shooting. I was considering this but not now for $200 and likely no better or worse than irons. I use X/S Big Orange Dot. I have older eyes and this type works fine on my G19. I routinely practice at 15 yards.

I commented on their page saying this is a huge step backwards and they replied “it’s more accurate than a red dot and will never run out of batteries” what a dumb reply to something that requires changing a battery every 50,000 hrs.

If you go to Cylees website direct that optic is only $116.00 now.

I saw this video in passing. I’ve also just revived this AIM system from @sofindustries as a challenge to test from my initial negative impression from the comfort of my cellphone and man-chair. My mean comments sparked a response from them, which has grown to the offer of them providing a slide outfitted with their sight. I figure I give it a chance and compare it to both traditional irons and a red dot optic. I’ll be headed to the range in the next week or two then making a video on my findings with comparable data. I’m not sure if they sent this sight to many other ‘pro’ shooters for testing/review but for reference of my background and experience: I am a retired Green Beret out of 1st Special Forces group. I was formally a rifle/pistol firearms and tactics instructor for the 1st SFG SFAUC committee. I am also a USPSA PCC GM (TY94333), but i haven’t competed in two-ish years due to my transition into retirement/newborn children/new career in law enforcement. I am Technically a production M class shooter, but that’s only due to my PCC classification. I am a solid B class pistol shooter. I think my feedback will cover the combat-side of shooting perspective more so than you’ve covered, but since I also understand the competition world, I will try and correlate that side as well. Fundamentally, there isn’t a difference though. I will be fair and impartial with my test and review. more to follow…

Solid work!!

I stumbled on your channel a few months ago, good solid home grown content. Based on the target size and the physics of an iron sight, which this system is just a snake-oiled version of, there is no way it can be applicable in a target sport. There are better ways to flush $200 with only part of the solution in the package. Your review is solid and the manufacturer is butt hurt. It might make some merit if they can get a real speed shooter, ripping through some steel challenge or plate racks. Thanks for honesty of your review.

Like the price point on this. looking to add this to my M&P I have a sig m18 with Romeo pro 01 and it’s the best glass and dot I have seen. Sorry yours was not very good.

Sounds like a real game changer. So I think the reason they teach the thumb behind the slide technique. Is that’s how close you have to be to hit ur target with that sight. 😂 muzzle contact accurate with powder burns, every time. Tactical AF.

The fact that he states in one of his videos he's got an affiliate link in the works for this sight explains why he's defending it and professing the benefits of it over an optic. Nuff said.

I saw this a few months ago and immediately dismissed it as a gimmick. I hate to be a Fudd and just dismiss shit out of hand without really looking at it... so thanks for taking one for the team, now I don't have to suffer and can get back to pointing and laughing. 👍

I stand by my original statement. These sights will go nowhere and not a single “professional shooter” of any magnitude is using or endorsing this product. We will never see a Racaza, Stoeger, Vogel, Grauffel, or similar competition shooter utilize this product in a match over a red dot. They are making preposterous claims and everyone in the know, already knows.

I’m going to have to try this device but I’m going to ask for a blacked out serrated version. I think they sell the fiber front now? I’m training/practicing to be target focused at all distances so I don’t wanna get sucked into irons.

Pro shooter huh? gimme their practiscore results and IDPA / USPSA numbers.

This is interesting.

the front sight this was designed for is a .300 height FSP which clearly isn’t what you were using when filming your video. None of the competition shooters we’ve given this to for feedback have had any of these issues you were having. Some shot slightly low at first but for different reasons. They also shot around with it for several hundred rounds before shooting in a competition so they could get a feel for it and learn how to use it as it is an entirely new sighting solution. We can appreciate you wanting to just dive right in and document your experience, but we can’t help but comment how this video you have made doesn’t do a good job representing what this sight is capable of achieving. We would have loved the opportunity to communicate with you like we have been the other channels who will be releasing content over this sight soon. Let us know what you would like to do, we will give you the recommended FSP for free so you can have another opportunity to give this sight a true opportunity if that’s what you wish. We will even ship you ammo so it’s not on your dime. Again, we just can’t help but think this was a rushed production on your end without learning the sight first because we just haven’t seen anyone shoot like that with this sight after a good trial period of learning the sight and quickly figuring out how it works. Maybe we should do a better job creating content that illustrates those principles? Standby for more content coming soon with professional competition shooters showing you what this sight is truly capable of.

Great video J.B. -thanks for buying and sharing your results! This ridiculous sight doesn’t provide shooter ability to perceive errors in alignment between muzzle and target (aka, “aiming”), particularly important on small / distant targets. Like you demonstrated, about the only range where potentially it could be reliably employed is within ~7 yards -ranges where use of sights is likely not needed anyway! Regarding keeping slide in battery with thumb while pressing muzzle into target: When instructing for State CJTC I regularly taught this technique (“Braced Contact”) to recruits and instructors -definitely proven viable and has been successfully used against both, two and four legged threats.

Gimmicky nonsense sold by people who are disconnected.

With a trademarked name like the "Diamond of Death", it's so shocking these aren't more accurate......

The bore axis is definitely lower and better than the LCP.

Having taking both classes and shooting competitions for years now. This is just silly nonsense. the tactical Timmy’s that show up to the matches don’t last but a match or two maximum. They can’t wrap their minds around how poorly they shoot compared to the average low level shooters at the club. In a gun fight you still have to be fast enough to matter. And have the ability to put rounds on target accurately at speed. shooting and tactics are two different things. You can teach tactics without a firearm. I believe the term is cognitive dissonance.

I love the idea of allowing optics in all divisions, but I don’t think that is likely to happen just yet. That being the case, I would like to see Compact Carry Optic (CCO) before a BUG optic division. It would be interesting to see an optic division tailored to the most commonly carried compact handguns (which I thought was the impetus behind the sport and its rule set). If you give guys who want to be competitive the extra space and weight, they are generally going to take it - at least I am. I think it would be a blast to have a division based on the equipment I actually carry everyday. Just cut a hole in the top of the current CCP box, add 2 oz., and call it a day! 🤙🏼

Just ordered the Cat that has the fiber optics built into the rear. Using it for a Sig build for idpa as well.

I have a XDM 3.8 in 45. I also shoot with myEchlon and my prodigy’s

Thanks for the analysis! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?

I still think we should end the distinction between sighting systems for divisions. Add cut outs to every box, 2.5 oz of added weight to allow for optics, and then fold CO into ESP. People can then choose to shoot irons or dots in every existing division. Other changes, bump ESP/CO capacity to 15+1, BUG and REV to 8rnds. Change Stage Max Round Count to 21 Just my opinion, and I don’t know how to get momentum behind it without starting my own sport

We ran an outlaw match with Bug Optics and CCP Optics divisions. No other divisions were present and it was a huge hit. People want something like this from IDPA.

Congrats! You certainly faked me out with your “provisional BUG Optics” intro. That led me to the IDPA web site where I discovered that the Down Zero Blog is now the only way IDPA will communicate to the members. Why they can’t send out an email blast to the membership describing rule changes escapes me. Or why one must log in to see what changes are in store, or what rules changed without following every marketing blurb HQ posts on their blog. I learned decades ago that when I wondered how or why something happened, the answer was “Follow the money.” IDPA is no exception. As for How IDPA Rules change? From my perspective, it’s very simple. . . when the owners of IDPA decide that they want to change a rule or create a new rule, they do it. Following the money illustrates several classic examples including the original CCP rule, the current CCP rule, and the PCC rule that were implemented with new products coming out of Wilson Combat. OTOH, there is a history of rule changes made to exclude certain firearms; changing CDP weight from 43 to 42oz after the 2007 Nat’s is an example. It seems to me that the new rules allowing integrated comps are the result of pressure from industry supporters. Rule changes that are advantageous to new firearms are certainly good for business, especially firearms with a competitive advantage, but not so much for the general membership running existing firearms. This is reinforced by the fact that the new rules limiting integrated comps in divisions where manufacturers are marketing them, which also happen to be the most popular divisions. OTOH, shooting rules governing tactics seem to be much more random and subject to the whims of those making the rules. Reloading rules are a classic example as they seem to change with the most frequency and often significantly, along with the associated round dumping rule changes. What was A-OK is suddenly verboten, or vice-versa.

Yeah? I’m into it I’ve got the macro / xl mod ready to go

Great shooting. Also like the music. I've been a fan for a minute. Oh and Happy New Year, brother.

Brian Ehrler (West) and Mike Wilkerson (East) are the 2 RACL. All contacts for them, all the AC's, and SC's are under the links below "Your Coordinator" on your Dashboard. But normal course is to go through your SC or your AC and hope they actually do their part and get you some answers.

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Allow video reviews.. its 2024!

Bug optics ftw!!! Excellent video

Can't paint hardcover on more than 50% of the target. Forcing matches that IDPA doesn't run to include BUG is dumb, why should a range have to have a division no one shoots? PCC no hammer down is dumb. They cleaned up the DQ rule after the JJ fiasco. MEZ Rule getting cleaned up was a good idea.

Wilson Combat releases an appendix holster-suddenly, appendix carry is allowed in IDPA. Then they release a PCC, and just like that, PCC becomes an optional division. My attempts to suggest adding optics to the BUG division or other suggestions have followed the same lack of clarity or response as yours.

I ran mine through a similar course in 90° North Carolina heat and humidity putting about 350 rounds through it and it ran flawlessly

Not sure how old the kids are but Valdosta is only about 3 hours from Orlando. Could make it a Universal/Disney trip after the match.

FYI, Just recieved my Mechanik M01 Red Dot Site and it has been redesigned/upgraded. When I opened the package there were two tools instead of the 4 way tool shown in most videos of the Mechanik M01 site. There is a tool that looks like a little cross and it is for unscrewing the o-ring sealed battery cap on the top inside of the Mechanik M01 red dot site. That's right, you do not have to remove the Mechanik M01 site from the gun anymore to replace the battery as it is replaceable from the top inside of the red dot site! But, The battery is now a CR1632 with 30,000 hrs,(3.5 yrs instead of 60,000hrs.on the first Gen.). Also the bottom of the site has a metal plate with screws and it says to be o-ring sealed, WATERPROOF. You get a waterproof site that you can replace the battery without removing from your gun but smaller battery CR1632 and half the hours of the original/ 30,000 hours (3.5 years) instead of 60,000 hours (6.5 years) on the first Gen. I'm OK with that!

If IDPA would change the division capacity in BUG to a modern capacity like 10+1 they would open up more participants by that alone.

Sheepdog was truly a test and I loved it!

Thanks for the ideas. Relative background. . . Back in the day, I shot the first two National BUG matches at S&W in Massachusetts, first with my wife’s 2.5” S&W 686, then with an M&P Compact. Also, the Indoor Nationals at S&W with my 686 SSR. More recently, I shot CCP at the 2021 Nationals in Colorado. In between, I’ve shot both the USPSA Single Stack and Revolver Nationals at PASA Park, IL and ICORE’s IRC in Nevada. While there’s a certain cool factor in having a mega Nationals with all the divisions represented, I personally like it better when Nationals are split up with similar divisions competing together, ala USPSA. For example, one combination could be CO & PCC, another could be BUG & Revolver, the two low-capacity divisions. That leaves SSP, ESP & CCP. Some might prefer combining CCP with BUG & Revolver, but I believe that the CCP rule change to 10-round mags completely removes CCP from any idea that the division is limited in capacity. Also, the newish 15-round rule for SSP makes that division more than competitive with ESP & its slightly smaller brother, CCP. Additionally, while splitting Nationals up by division or groups of divisions would be more work for HQ, it would serve the membership better by (a) providing national venues around the country much more than we’ve ever seen before, and (b) create opportunities for many to compete in multiple nationals each year, and (c) open the door for smaller facilities to host a national championship due to a somewhat smaller turnout.

Great video. Definitely something to consider.

We just got back from Sheepdog. It is an extremely well run match, we were shocked how quickly we were done, it flowed perfectly. The staff does a great job.

Great idea. I think there should be shared stages to see how you would shoot it with SSP vs BUG vs CDP.

What division in IDPA does this setup fall into?

The Mecanik M01 fits perfectly on the Canik MC9LS. included screws with the M01 don't of course. The Canik MC9LS slide optic cover plate screws with their washers fit the M01 red dot. Your Wilson/Sig 365 RMSc footprint on the slide is a bit too short or the Canik M01 red dot sight is a little too long. You are having some interference at the ends of the foot print or with the slide's lugs. I have had issues before like this with other RMSc red dots and other pistols with RMSc footprints. Manufacturing tolerances on red dot sights and/or slides can sometimes not be compatible.

Mine has night sights and they have died barely can see in a jet black room