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@@RobinsAssistant g1 going second it will be tough to do. Post side it’s easy to deal with.

@@ddbros789 playing fancy? The 3 card package creates zero bricks. Playing one engraver is a brick and you can’t make Desirae so I’m confused on how that would be better

@@andresdiazii1744 issue with imperm is post SUDA it does not stop detonator. They just chain pop twin summon detonator. I get for hitting duo drive but if they then have extender to make detonator you lose. If you want it to be used as a hand trap you might as well tailor your entire tech cards to be handtraps

Cross sheep and Selene? What does the end board look like

@andresdiazii1744 Lightless shadow + illia + desirae + diabell + sp + sinful set

@@ShroomOfSorrow playing crossheep just plays you into nib. While it is cool I find what it adds to the combo as win more. If I was more committed to a link package selene would be in there. The extra is super tight to be including cards that you don’t use every game

@@kengy603 I do not know which crossheep combos have you tested out but the one i am going for goes for both crystal wing and illia before the crossheep, making it quite nib proof, at least in pure, I have not tested that yet on the fiendsmith version

@@ShroomOfSorrowdo you have a deck list for the pure version without the fiendsmith? I’d like to see it if possible

But it is still worth testing.

@@AntiYami ya I don’t think it’ll end up being in the list. The deck is consistent enough. Mainly talked about it cuz there’s another spreadsheet going around using vision resonator to make the lvl 6 WF synchro and chorozo is just infinitely better than that

Breh I’m dead

@@miwindus1687 yes no plugin. In this point in the meta the list has changed immensely. This was start of the meta as time goes on lists become more solved.

@@batsmak2506 thanks for sharing! I have been forced into doing so in some games on ladder. Haven’t found myself doing it opening hand but I’m sure the situation can arise where it is necessary. I’m thinking about doing another video post Niagara to explain the deck in a little more detail. Potentially vod reviews. This video was a very starter point to the list and combos. I had testing partners playing it at Niagara so I didn’t want to over share too much on the capabilities

Really nice, thx man

@@Avid_Listener search it on Facebook request to join answer some questions then an admin approves you

Why you leaking all the guuu 🙈🙈

@@ArchfiendHD the punk engine was the other variant that we were testing. Issue that we have with it is you need to play a significant amount of punk cards or else you draw them and they are bricks/hinder your combo. Playing a significant amount of punk cards limits amount of going second cards/centurion engine that you can play. We felt that the genericness of the fiendsmith engine also provided more value than the utility options you get from the punk cards. One thing the punk engine does better is putting up a negate on the 5th summon. Fiendmsith can do so with casaer but if you do that, that’s all it really offers. The next video I post will be about how to play through nibiru using the FS and cent engines.

apprecaite the comment! Funny enough the whole process we went through to get to this combo actually started with Eater send Sinister to get adusted. That was our line before my friend who plays a pile deck said to me that he was using eater to send resonator. Thats how we got to the line in the video. All those other ideas are nice but the deck is already super tight for fitting another engine into it. Then you miss out on drawing the pieces you do want to see. One thing we have messed with is going to 44 with max 13 centurion and max fiendmsith starters plus 2-3 hand traps. More testing needs to be done with it, but it follows the same logic as the 44 card SE FS list from nats. Same math.

I did not look at the line without scarlet.. the difference is that without her Tractus does not equal combo. Tractus by itself is one body short from combo. You could still make casaer from a single tract, but if you dont have engine it isnt doing much. Definitely something to think about though. Thank you for bringing it up.

@@kengy603 oh yeah i didn't think about tract being 1cc, i will test with and without her fs

@@marcochiesa6356 another line you miss out on without is any FS card being a 1 card Chaos angel. You also miss out on the shuffle as on opponents turn which can be very crazy turn 3

@@TheLordMillenium if one of your key factors is budget I agree SHS can be used. From a pure competitive make the deck be as good as can be stand point Fiendsmith is far superior due to the generic access to the engine.

i feel like fiendsmith are better going second tho

@@marcochiesa6356 They could be. I don't have any actual experience with them tbh

@@marcochiesa6356 I would agrue they are both better going second or first seeing that any two bodies equals 3 lvl 12s. You can also play really important cards such as imperm and cosmic. The superheavy engine warps deck building where you make concessions to include it where Fiendsmith does the same thing without those. I understand budget is a key thing to people. Thats why I did not write off SHS. From the perspective of you taking this to a YCS and trying to top Fiendsmith is for sure better.

Fiendsmith engine helps you more than just one card combo, if you open really good, plus engraver, you can into caesar first for nib proof, the fiendsmith engine will also eat a lot of interruptions before even start your engine, and going second it can help you break boards... it is also live in the grind game due to the amount of recovery... SHS is an amazing engine for synchro decks for its budget, but for the competitive play, there is no comparison.

@@donaxygo thanks! Maybe we can get you off those Runick cards now lol

@@Garalor arguably using your NS in the combo < not using your normal summon. The link 3 in grave also creates good plays in the grind game. Lacrima can shuffle itself to reborn link 3 then link 3 reborn Fiendsmith then SS tuner from back row make a chaos angel on their turn.

Thanks Lund! My buddy from the Cent group also brought this up. This video was recorded ~5ish days ago. We are actually on that ratio now. Will most likely do an updated deck profile post Niagara

My concern is the amount of utility/engine requirements. Between the cent engine, resonator package, fiendsmith requirements there is already 8. A theory we have is to go over 40 to reduce seeing them. Adding in another one could be too much. It’ll have to be tested