Видео

Yeah I get what you mean

@bradycall1889 thank you brother for understanding many people dont

I haven't listened to him so idrk 🤷‍♂

@@bradycall1889 You haven't listened any of his Christmas songs! How I envy you! xD

@@triciaerimoOk!

That is true that it's a combination of things that determines voice type. The one thing I do have some slight uncertainty about is calling Ravenscroft a low bass. I think you're likely right about him being a basso profondo, I've heard rumors from some people that he classically trained as a basso cantante. I tried finding the interview where Thurl Ravenscroft said it about his own voice but couldn't find it.

I used to like him but I grew to dislike wobbly vibrato. And his vibrato is not only extremely slow but it is like as wide as the Grand Canyon lmao. I mean, I still like him as a person. I also am impressed that he at least has results, indicating that he's a good vocal teacher. But I don't like him as a singer.

@@bradycall1889 It makes me feel a bit uneasy. To me, he seems very self-absorbed, and it’s evident in the way he speaks. He says it’s "true old-school singing," but then he throws out statements like, "I lost 18 kg in a month," which, by the way, is physically impossible. So, how can I be certain he’s not falling into similar fallacies when it comes to singing? I’m considering taking a package of lessons from him, but they’re very expensive. I’m also not entirely convinced because the videos where he sings opera are only available on his own channel. What do you think?

@@ksiazepaweek1064 He can't take anymore students, unfortunately.

@@bradycall1889 What happened?

@@bradycall1889 What do you think of Gianni Raimondi?

That is correct.

Yeah but at the same time, his singing voice is very baritonal.

​@@bradycall1889He sounds like a high-baritone. Hardly very baritonal. I can see someone saying he's a low tenor, though I'd have to listen to him more to be sure.

@@alleviation91 No not even close to a high baritone. At the highest a mid baritone. I can't see anyone calling him a low tenor. And I have literally consulted this with professionals and they agree with me that he's not a high baritone. Not "barely baritonal" at all. Not sure where you're coming from with that.

@@alleviation91 A real high baritone is Robert Merrill who has a voice that is clearly higher than that of Ivan Rebroff. Also, if Rebroff had a slight chance of being a low tenor he'd at least sound similar to someone like Lauritz Melchior. But he doesn't sound even close to Melchior in terms of tessitura. It's like day and night. Plus, Rebroff was literally classified as a low baritone by I think several vocal teachers who taught him. I'd like to ask, where did you learn about vocal pedagogy from?

@@alleviation91 Who do you classify as a baritone in opera and who do you classify as a bass in opera?

He may have his disadvantages and his technique isn't perfect but I also think it's rather silly to judge him for political reasons. What political reasons do you not like him?

@@bradycall1889 I prefer not to mention, it's not silly at all

@@Tahino-nabbuco-12345 Ok can I have resources on his political beliefs?

@@bradycall1889 actually ive changed my mind on that, i love granforte's voice its very powerful, but i hate him as person because he was a strong fachist (: thats the reason i got upset because i realized he supported mussolini, i also like wagner's compositions but i hate the person

@@Tahino-nabbuco-12345 Fair enough! Yeah some people are not good even if their music is!

I know, right?

I do! it is wbradycall

@@bradycall1889 Cool. Gave you a follow. pianoplayer2516

I agree

I also think that Barbieri, the heavier mezzo, makes a pretty good Carmen as well.

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!

He wasn't a natural dramatic tenor, believe it or not, his natural voice was more akin to a higher-set baritone of sorts as he has explained himself in some interviews. You can also hear it as he sings baritone roles better than tenor roles, even though I'd say he does very well in those roles as well. I have heard the argument that his speaking voice was that of a tenor, and I have heard his speaking voice in two clips. In one of the clips, he does speak a little bit high but he also sounds as though he's yelling out loud or as though he's "raising his voice." It wasn't even that high, in fact, and I've heard genuine, true baritones speak like that before. In the other clip, he doesn't speak like a tenor at all. He literally has a lower-pitched speaking voice in that clip than that of Gino Bechi and some other operatic baritones. Besides, I like him and all but technicality-wise he's not particularly great. Melchior, for example, had better technique.

It's just for fun though. Also, if you blended it in with other stops at higher pitches it can sound decent. I am not using unblended notes like these in a song.

Yeah I don't like him as much as I used to because I grew to dislike heavy vibrato, but he at least has some credit that I'd be happy to give him.

@@bradycall1889 I feel the same about him

This is a satire video exaggerating things.

Not sure which model.

Haven't heard him that much but so far it seems I like him.

Oktavist is more of a role than a voice type. Contrabass, IMO, is the proper term.

Also, Robert Merrill certainly had a weightier and more dramatic voice than Milnes. Milnes just had a more dramatic temperament.

@@revivaljesus Now I don't really agree with that. Besides, most experts out there agree with me.

​@@bradycall1889 What experts exactly? I remember Milnes saying that his own voice was medium size. Merrill's collegue baritone Mario Sereni said that Merrill's voice was enormous, 4 times the size of his own. The reason Merrill is sometimes called a lyric baritone is probably that his singing had a mellow quality to it, probably due to his easy going temperament. A somewhat similar comparison would be Hans Hotter and Thomas Stewart, who shared many roles. Hotter often sang very lyrically and softly even in dramatic parts, while Stewart often sang very aggressively and vigourously. Still, Hotter had a much bigger, weightier voice judging by reviews of people who heard them live. Also, If you read reviews of George London from the met, they also sometimes mention that his voice wasn't especially large. Sometimes these "official" expert descriptions of singers are written by people who never heard them live.

@@revivaljesus Wait really? So what voice type do you think George London has then?

True that he is a tenore di gazia/tenore leggero and I get what you mean. But still, tenore di grazia is a subtype of lyric tenor. But Juan Diego Florez makes his voice brighter than it is naturally and not in a healthy way. Tito Schipa was light and bright but he didn't artificially brighten his sound. He had more or less the same voice type as Florez.

Besides, I actually rather like Juan Diego Florez. He may have technical flaws but I think he still sounds good.

Yeah you could argue that. Definitely not a baritone, though. IMO, either a lighter spinto or heavier lyric tenor.

Not sure exactly where that clip came from originally. I didn't sing any of these nor voice acted these clips. I made some of them by slowing down or speeding up animal sounds but others I used the raw audio.

Since I made this video a year ago, I now think of Vinay as a higher baritone singing tenor roles. Lauritz Melchior, on the other hand, was a genuine heldentenor and not a baritone unlike what some people think.

LOL

Sorry to disagree, but F4 is around either a high baritone or low tenor. E4 is actually a medium-high baritone passaggio. F#4 is actually where the passaggio of many heldentenors is, such as Lauritz Melchior. Spinto tenors can have it at F#4 and it's in fact fairly common for their passaggios to be at there, but they might also share it with lyric tenors at G4. No tenor has a passaggio at E4, I can guarantee you that. There's actually more F4 passaggio tenors than you might think. Neither does the baryton-martin voice type (aka baritono leggero) have that passaggio at E4 in most cases.

@@bradycall1889 Richard Miller in the structure of singing dictates that the lowest tenor voice and highest baritone voice share a passaggio at E4. Listening to the schwers: Beirer, Suthaus, Appels, Melchior, Heater, Vinay you can very well tell that their passaggios are at e4. Listen to how they handle the Valse section of siegmund, and then compare it to higher tenors, but not much higher, like Vickers, Treptow, or Lorenz. Or the Siegmund heiss ich: The former group has a much easier time in those two sections because much of either ariss, the whole role really, sits right at f and f#. If their voices transitioned along f-ish, they'd have to "push" in the way the lighter tenors consistenly do. Also, most, if not all, of those guys start the vocal "cover" around d4/e4 which is a whole step higher than singers like Del Monaco, e.g., if Del Monaco's passaggi was f#, and it was, there's would be e.

@@alleviation91 Never heard Miller say that. Melchior's passaggio was at F#4 or, at the lowest, F4. Listen to him trying to sing baritone arias for reference.

@@bradycall1889 I wasn't talking about just Melchior.

@@alleviation91 But it still proves a point.

Not mixed voice LOL and no baritones I've ever heard of did that not effortlessly.

@@bradycall1889 Obviously mixed voice and every opera singer using it included Corelli and Del Monaco. If you want to get operatic sound you need to sing with head resonance to make Squillo and that a mixed voice. You can’t make that really high frequency with pure chest. That’s human anatomy. In this case Joseph Shore using Mask place resonance but he using too much head voice that make his larynx floating and it sound constricted. He shouldn’t let his larynx goes up and it will sound really great. Just like while Kraus or Pavarotti goes up above high C. And also Corelli while he is vocalizing high Eb. Only singer that didn’t use this technique while going up above high C is Lauri Volpi. He’s still using his pharynx resonance. That make him the Goat. Lot of my Baritone friend can sing high B and also high C. And maybe he sound better than Joseph.

​@@robertlewandowski7983 For me, personally, chest voice that is lightened is still chest voice even if not 100% pure chest voice. There is no such thing as a "chest-dominant mix."

@@bradycall1889 I think you’re misunderstanding what chest voice is. Chest voice is a resonance that making by the chest. Head voice is a resonance that making by the head. Mixed voice is the blending of both of them. I used to think that chest voice is the voice that we used in day life just like we’re speaking or laughing or yelling. But it’s not . The voice that we used for speaking is also mixed voice cause it was Chest resonance that blended with head resonance. You can’t use pure chest voice to speak.

@@robertlewandowski7983 It depends on your definitions of things.

Yeah I've listened to that I think!

@@bradycall1889 Re dei Bassi!

@@ariasemusicaslegendadas7657 Though I don't agree that Plançon was the greatest bass, he was definitely very good. He is one of the most underrated basses of all times IMO.

@@bradycall1889 I've never seen a bass make a trill, at most a coloratura.

@@ariasemusicaslegendadas7657 Yeah I'm no expert at trills so idk.

I literally showed a live recording of Freddie Mercury in this video. Even in his live recordings he was not a baritone at all.

No. He never managed to hit a live C5, never. And barely reached a B4 flat only one time in a song. His last comfortable note in chest voice was A4. You made the comparison with Franco Corelli who was a tenor from my country who could easily reach a C5, because he was obviously a tenor. And this means that Freddie was a baritone. Certainly a light baritone that can sing comfortably in his high range closer to tenor, but a baritone.​@@bradycall1889

​@@mattlance5208 Freddie Mercury was untrained and that's why he couldn't sing C5 live very well. But you can still here how his natural placement is higher than that of a baritone.

@@bradycall1889 no dude, I'm a high bari too. I can sing until A4 and all the queen songs but not the queen songs's high notes live like Freddie. He pushed the limits in the studio but can't do that live. The thing that he wasn't trained is really stupid. He had a lot of training and experience live.

@@mattlance5208 He wasn't trained at all, wdym?

That's hard to say with such a limited range because your low notes and your high notes are likely not trained and haven't started sounding super good, yet. My guess is you're either a high baritone or low tenor based on what you've described so far. In case you're interested here's a quick personal anecdote that might help you out (I don't usually give personal anecdotes anymore because it's corny): I used to struggle below G2 and I'm a baritone, but the reason why I struggled below G2 was not because the way my voice naturally was but it was because of bad breath support. I often spoke at a G2 but actually, like, singing it was a struggle for me. I was an exception because most baritones don't struggle at G2 and below, even at the beginning of training. Based on my own story as described up above, it could be that you don't know how to use proper breath support below F#2. Or it could be that your natural voice type is higher-lying than other men's voices may be. But even high tenors can learn to sing lower more comfortably if they wanted to. It's a combination of things that determines voice type, not just range. Also, there have been many operatic tenors throughout history who once thought they were baritones because they didn't know how to sing high. This was the case with Lauritz Melchior, Franco Corelli, Plácido Domingo (who ironically enough is singing baritone roles nowadays in his older years despite not being a natural baritone at all), and many more.

@@bradycall1889 well, my voice is huskier but dark and I'm only 19. And yeah, I'm not trained.

@@taseenalqawi Ok train first then perhaps your voice type might get revealed.

@@bradycall1889 thanks for your words.

Yeah I love Lawrence Tibbett.

You've got a point!

Rosa Ponselle "average" is silly.

Mental. Ponselle... average??

You just announced to the whole world that you have no idea what you are talking about.

@@macksawyer6221 Exactly lmao

@@bradycall1889 Fr

If you think she's bad then it's your problem.

Oh well lmao

Different repertoire entirely.

...Flagstad would certainly not sound better singing Violetta than the estimable Rosa Ponselle does in this marvelous performance.

Yeah lmao.

"Mr. Helium" lol

Thanks so much for liking my video!

Thanks for the advice! What do you think her voice type is?

Thank you! Will do!

Good point!

It's just the obsession that irritates me. And it becomes all that some users on the internet talk about when it comes to singing.

@@bradycall1889 It's the same situation with sports (and politics, as you mentioned)... People need something to talk about. 😅

@@CristianIonita-nm6xb Yes but it's still annoying how obsessed people are.