Music Theory & Analysis with Forrest
Music Theory & Analysis with Forrest
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Tunings, Temperaments, and the Well Tempered ClavierTunings, Temperaments, and the Well Tempered Clavier
Tunings, Temperaments, and the Well Tempered Clavier
Просмотров 2363 месяца назад
Hey all! One of the most frequent comments on my journey to analyze the chorales video has been about what I said regarding Bach's advocacy for equal temperament. Well, it turns out that Bach didn't use equal temperament at all (most likely), so I did a deeper dive into the history of tuning systems in Western Europe to correct and go into more detail. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pi...
I made an eBook with all of my scores! 🎼📙📕📗🎶I made an eBook with all of my scores! 🎼📙📕📗🎶
I made an eBook with all of my scores! 🎼📙📕📗🎶
Просмотров 1384 месяца назад
Hey all! Long time no see. While I haven't been working on videos for the channel, I think I've put something together that is just as, if not more, useful in the meantime. All of my scores are now available as an eBook, so make sure to grab a copy today! Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836...
J.S. Bach, BWV 248.09, "Ach mein herzliebes Jesulein," AnalysisJ.S. Bach, BWV 248.09, "Ach mein herzliebes Jesulein," Analysis
J.S. Bach, BWV 248.09, "Ach mein herzliebes Jesulein," Analysis
Просмотров 1894 месяца назад
Hi everyone! Here's another chorale that slipped through the cracks. This is episode 433 of my complete analysis of Bach's chorale harmonizations. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs
Where does Bach change key?Where does Bach change key?
Where does Bach change key?
Просмотров 5496 месяцев назад
Hey everyone! This video talks about how finding and committing to a point where a key change happens in an analysis isn't always straightforward. So, where does Bach change key in this example? Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs
The Curious Case of 2 and 7The Curious Case of 2 and 7
The Curious Case of 2 and 7
Просмотров 1,2 тыс.7 месяцев назад
Hey everyone! This is a short video about chordal ambiguity in Bach's chorale harmonizations. If you ever find yourself having a hard time with analyzing a particular chord, spell it out to the best of your ability, and look at all the possibilities! Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a...
J.S. Bach, BWV 245.15, "Christus, der uns selig macht," AnalysisJ.S. Bach, BWV 245.15, "Christus, der uns selig macht," Analysis
J.S. Bach, BWV 245.15, "Christus, der uns selig macht," Analysis
Просмотров 4127 месяцев назад
Hi everyone! Here's another chorale that slipped through the cracks. This is episode 432 of my complete analysis of Bach's chorale harmonizations. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs
J.S. Bach, BWV 183.5, "Du bist ein Geist, der lehret" AnalysisJ.S. Bach, BWV 183.5, "Du bist ein Geist, der lehret" Analysis
J.S. Bach, BWV 183.5, "Du bist ein Geist, der lehret" Analysis
Просмотров 2058 месяцев назад
Hi everyone! It's been awhile. Turns out there a couple of videos that didn't make it on RUclips for whatever reason, so I had to go back and re-analyze them! This is episode 431 of my complete analysis of Bach's chorale harmonizations. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-coll...
I fixed all of the titles! (finally)I fixed all of the titles! (finally)
I fixed all of the titles! (finally)
Просмотров 1238 месяцев назад
Hi everyone, happy 2024, and long time no see! I just re-titled a ton of my videos, and this video goes into detail about why. Thanks for your continued support and happy analyzing. Check out my website forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs
My journey to analyze all of J.S. Bach's ChoralesMy journey to analyze all of J.S. Bach's Chorales
My journey to analyze all of J.S. Bach's Chorales
Просмотров 18 тыс.Год назад
Hi everyone! Long time no see 😲. A lot has been going on as of late, and I have been trying my best to plug away at this video with the free time I could spend on it. This video took a very long time to produce (even longer because I had to remake it due to losing the project file when updating my computer), but I am happy to present this overview and self reflection on my journey to analyze al...
J.S. Bach, "BWV deest, O Traurigkeit, o Herzeleid!" Analysis. The last chorale!!! 😮 🎵J.S. Bach, "BWV deest, O Traurigkeit, o Herzeleid!" Analysis. The last chorale!!! 😮 🎵
J.S. Bach, "BWV deest, O Traurigkeit, o Herzeleid!" Analysis. The last chorale!!! 😮 🎵
Просмотров 185Год назад
Hi everyone! Join me live as we analyze the last of J.S. Bach's chorale harmonizations. I'm looking forward to chatting and answering questions, as well!
J.S. Bach, BWV 1126, "Lobet Gott, unsern Herren," AnalysisJ.S. Bach, BWV 1126, "Lobet Gott, unsern Herren," Analysis
J.S. Bach, BWV 1126, "Lobet Gott, unsern Herren," Analysis
Просмотров 748Год назад
Hi everyone! This is episode 429 of my complete analysis of Bach's chorale harmonizations. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs
J.S. Bach, BWV 1125, "O Gott, du frommer Gott," AnalysisJ.S. Bach, BWV 1125, "O Gott, du frommer Gott," Analysis
J.S. Bach, BWV 1125, "O Gott, du frommer Gott," Analysis
Просмотров 190Год назад
Hi everyone! This is episode 428 of my complete analysis of Bach's chorale harmonizations. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs
J.S. Bach, BWV 1124, "Ich ruf zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ," AnalysisJ.S. Bach, BWV 1124, "Ich ruf zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ," Analysis
J.S. Bach, BWV 1124, "Ich ruf zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ," Analysis
Просмотров 305Год назад
Hi everyone! This is episode 427 of my complete analysis of Bach's chorale harmonizations. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs
J.S. Bach, BWV 1123, "Wo Gott zum Haus nicht gibt sein Gunst," AnalysisJ.S. Bach, BWV 1123, "Wo Gott zum Haus nicht gibt sein Gunst," Analysis
J.S. Bach, BWV 1123, "Wo Gott zum Haus nicht gibt sein Gunst," Analysis
Просмотров 118Год назад
Hi everyone! This is episode 426 of my complete analysis of Bach's chorale harmonizations. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs
J.S. Bach, BWV 1122, "Denket doch, ihr Menschenkinder," AnalysisJ.S. Bach, BWV 1122, "Denket doch, ihr Menschenkinder," Analysis
J.S. Bach, BWV 1122, "Denket doch, ihr Menschenkinder," Analysis
Просмотров 103Год назад
Hi everyone! This is episode 425 of my complete analysis of Bach's chorale harmonizations. Check out my website: forrestbalman.com Pick up a copy of my complete collection of all of J.S. Bach's chorales! www.etsy.com/listing/1733836800/a-complete-collection-of-js-bachs

Комментарии

  • @JamesMardellofr.hp.laptop
    @JamesMardellofr.hp.laptop 11 дней назад

    Ah the circle of fiths are the pearls of music knowledge the truth in the beginning of understanding creating a story of sound &or a song of your hearts through sound pulls on the heart strings

  • @JamesMardellofr.hp.laptop
    @JamesMardellofr.hp.laptop 11 дней назад

    How is four forty c-M & A r one and the same true correct???

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 16 дней назад

    Isn't the first beat of 2nd last bar supposed to be I6? It's a major chord.

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley 17 дней назад

    That chord at the end of the penultimate phrase was quite the shock the first time I heard it. Different conductors handle it differently: some dwell on it, some just plow onwards as perhaps Bach himself did.

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley 17 дней назад

    It’s a standard Lutheran tune, “Christ unser Herr,” but the last verse of a different hymn usually sung to that tune. Bach certainly has a grand time with it. As a Bach enthusiast who is almost a functional illiterate musically, I can’t quite appreciate your analysis, unfortunately, but I feebly grasp that some ingenious things are going on.

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 19 дней назад

    Is the iiø65 in the first full bar after the repeat sign supposed to be a different inversion?

  • @BenjaminMari-s1z
    @BenjaminMari-s1z 19 дней назад

    The Well Tempered Clavier is the Old Testament of Tonal Music.

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 20 дней назад

    Is the third beat in the bar after the third fermata supposed to be a ii65 chord? F C A D (F A C D). Also is the bar before the 3/4 section supposed to be a I54 to I53 and the last beat of the bar proceeding the eight fermata supposed to be a vi chord? Finally, in the third last bar, doesn't it go from ii7 to ii6?

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 20 дней назад

    Wow that Bb is quite strange! Yes, I agree with the F tonicization, I can definitely see that. Couldn't it possibly be a very short modulation to F major? Maybe not because it wouldn't be very practical to modulate for only 3 beats 😅

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 21 день назад

    Why would Bach use a C minor key signature if it starts in F minor and ends in F minor?

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 21 день назад

      This is common to find in Bach's chorale harmonizations that are particularly in minor keys on the flat side of the circle of fifths: G minor with 1 flat, C minor with 2 flats, etc. . I don't know why we don't see it in sharp minor keys, but my guess regarding why Bach does it has to do with the number of flat 6s that occur in the harmonization. If he uses D-natural more than D-flat, no need to include it in the key signature if it means more engraving. This gives us some insight regarding Bach's relationship with key signatures. They are more about efficiency than they are about indicating to the reader what key the piece is in.

    • @EthanNistor
      @EthanNistor 21 день назад

      @forrestmusictheory that makes sense! Thank you, and sorry if I'm going to be writing many comments on your Bach analysis videos, I've just bought myself a copy of the Reimenschneider bach chorales and am on a quest to analyse/harmonise all of them with your videos! So far I've done the first 10 in the past few days (I'm on school holidays)😅. Thanks again, and for all these amazing videos!!

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 22 дня назад

    How can the 3rd last bar of the second system be a vi in D major if it's a major chord? Also is the vii°7/V in the beat before the 9th fermata (or second last fermata) supposed to be vii-half-dim-7 since it's D# A C#?

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 21 день назад

      It should be uppercase. You're right. I make errors like this from time to time because of my dyslexia. I can't read the handwriting because of how small it is, but it should be half diminished if I misspoke.

    • @EthanNistor
      @EthanNistor 21 день назад

      @forrestmusictheory all good Forrest, not a problem, just making sure, I'm quite pedantic😅.

  • @BipolarSwingDance
    @BipolarSwingDance 22 дня назад

    You make me feel better about my analyzing. Sometimes it’s not the way “the textbook” analyzes it & although our instructor might accept it, it always feels like it’s a compromise. I was feeling like a failure but it’s really helpful to know that there actually can be room for other ideas. Your voice Is really gentle too. Helps me be more gentle on myself.

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 24 дня назад

    Is the I in measure 2 supposed to be i (lowercase)? Also couldn't the passing notes in measure 3 right before the HC be a iv7 in its inversion? Is the last chord in measure 3 supposed to be ii°7? Also I am a bit confused at the start of measure 9?

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 21 день назад

      The I is supposed to be lowercase, sorry. Probably my dyslexia there. Yes the passing notes could be analyzed as a iv7 in second inversion. The last chord in measure 3 is B F# G D, G# diminished 7th, which is vii in a minor, however I made an error. It should be 65, not 43. Measure 9 is probably the most interesting part of this chorale. We're in E minor up until this point, and Bach spontaneously moves to A minor. I think it's interesting because he resolves to the tonic E minor right after the half cadence, but then includes F natural in the bass. If I were to reanalyze this, I would probably say that Bach modulates using the E minor chord as a common chord, even though modulating over the minor dominant is somewhat rare in the chorales. I can't quite read my handwriting, but I think I neglected the F natural and analyzed it as F# diminished, rather than F major. It should be VI not vio.

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 24 дня назад

    Is the V65/V in measure 2 supposed to be a V chord in the key of E major? What would it be in A major then? Also what exactly does V65/V mean?

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 24 дня назад

      V65/V is a first inversion V7 chord in the key of V. So in this case, V65/V is B7/D#, which is the dominant of E. You can proceed any major or minor chord with its dominant (and sometimes other supporting chords) without modulating. This is called a secondary dominant, and it's a very common convention of common practice period harmony. It would make complete sense to analyze sections in their own respective key, however, in my experience, it's more common to see analyses take note of whether or not the music has changed key, and how it did so. Bach does modulate here, but the tricky part that I'm still on the fence about is where the modulation happens. This is often a problem in analyzing the chorales, because there are many takes regarding where the point of modulation is. The peculiar thing about this chorale is that Bach cadences in E major, but modulates to the key of E though an E minor chord. This is a byproduct of the chorale, which Bach didn't compose, he just harmonized. If that were a G# in the melody, rather than a G natural, I would say the E chord would be our common chord, but I got tripped up on the E minor.

  • @EthanNistor
    @EthanNistor 26 дней назад

    Why did you write V/IV in the second line in the C major modulation? Isn't it supposed to be V7? G D F B (G B D F)

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 25 дней назад

      You're absolutely right, it should be V7/IV. Thank you for catching that.

    • @EthanNistor
      @EthanNistor 25 дней назад

      @forrestmusictheory no problem! Also I think I caught some other things. I think the vii° in the 3rd bar before the first cadence should be vii°6 and also in the second line, 3rd bar, there should be brackets on the A in alto and under the C in soprano because they are accented passing notes and the F in alto is the chord tone. In the bar with the long descending 8th note bass line before the cadence point, the brackets should be around the F in alto because it is suspended and the E following it is the chord tone of the vi chord. There should also be brackets around the G in bass in the 3rd last bar because the proceeding F is the chord tone. Sorry to be such a pain, I'm a very pedantic person😅! I just had a question, why is it V7/IV if the root of the chord is G? Also is a V7/IV the same as V42? Thanks again for all the harmonisations!

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 24 дня назад

      @@EthanNistor Hi again: The viio chord is analyzed as a viio6. The 6 is just tiny, sorry. I only used cut outs from my Riemenschneider for the first 15 episodes or so, so there isn't a ton of room for roman numerals. The A in the alto in the third bar is a 7-6 suspension, so there should be a marking around it. Good catch! I mismarked the non-chord tone under the C in the soprano. The G should be marked because it's another suspension (4-3). The F# in the Alto should be marked as a 9-8 suspension, you're right; however Bach changes bass, and we see parallel ninths. So even if we pretend that E is a chord tone, Bach subverts the resolution with the change in the bass. This could be analyzed as a vi42 chord if this was the case. You're not a pain at all. Thank you for your insightful comments. V7/IV implies that the chord is functioning as IV's dominant. I don't think this is the best example to explain secondary dominance, because Bach is doing something I would start calling "subdominant cadences" once I started picking up on it in later videos (it takes time to see patterns and routines in anyone's work), but we see Bach take our tonic triad and morph it into the dominant of C right before the cadence. Our expectation is for I to function like a tonic, especially after being stressed for the majority of a bar like he's doing here. V/IV and V42 aren't the same thing. V42 is a dominant seventh chord in third inversion, V7/IV is a root position dominant chord that tonicizes the subdominant without fully modulating. In this case, I don't think there's a super straightforward analysis as far as the modulation is concerned, because Bach doesn't really prepare it before he cadences, so I analyzed it in what made sense to me. It's pretty unusual for modulations to occur over a secondary dominant, in general.

  • @asddsaqwe
    @asddsaqwe 26 дней назад

    well researched and explained! thank you!

  • @davidpauker
    @davidpauker Месяц назад

    Great channel and great effort and extremely helpful to me as a piano student of these chorale harmonizations! Is it at all possible for you to do another project notating the smoothest piano fingerings for each of these chorales for those of us who wish to play and perform these 389 chorales! I know that this is a huge favor to ask and would require tons of energy and time on your part!But what do you think?? Anyway I find this channel to be awesome and I am super-impressed with your effort and stamina to complete this harmonic analysis project! Just amazing!! But I need someone who can show me best fingerings for each chorale! Are you the man???

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory Месяц назад

      Hi David. This would be a huge undertaking, for sure. And unfortunately, I'm not a piano player, so this wouldn't be something I could do with any sort of confidence. I would recommend checking out Bach Scholar regarding playing through chorales at the keyboard.

  • @Ana-sz
    @Ana-sz Месяц назад

    This is great! You helped me a lot. <3

  • @kevinsspruce
    @kevinsspruce Месяц назад

    Thanks!

  • @frums551
    @frums551 Месяц назад

    This is BWV 3.6, but the youtube title has "Erhalt mein Herz im Glauben rein" when I think it should be "BWV 3.6, Ach Gott, wie manches Herzeleid - Herr Jesu, mein's Lebens Licht". Adding this in in case search picks up comments, it took me a bit to find this one. Thanks for all you do!

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory Месяц назад

      Hi, I thought the same thing originally (as you can see in the title I used in the video). Although the source text for the chorale is Ach Gott, wie manches Herzeleid, chorales are named based on the first line of the stanza of the text. Check out the Wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ach_Gott,_wie_manches_Herzeleid,_BWV_3 . Thank you so much for checking out the video!

  • @respekt200
    @respekt200 Месяц назад

    salad

  • @wandajames143
    @wandajames143 Месяц назад

    I love this! Are you afraid to wake someone up, your whisper is encouraging

  • @musicfundamentals9938
    @musicfundamentals9938 2 месяца назад

    The cadence at the end of bar 9 into 10 ten is not I to IV. There is a G natural in the alto making this V7/IV to IV. I'll keep an eye out for what you mentioned about an inverse plagal cadence, but this seems to be a brief tonicization of the subdominant. Thank you for sharing these. I'm still on my journey through them. My final step for each chorale is to compare mine to yours.

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 2 месяца назад

      Thank you for catching this, and explaining it the way you do. I think this is probably the best way to look at it, and it would make the most sense on the page when analyzing it this way. I think the main point is that this is a tonicization occurring at a cadence, and that Bach does this almost exclusively with the subdominant. These cadences have really interesting sounds. I think it's important to note that Bach often achieves this tonicized effect without the secondary dominant a lot of the time as well. I went through my notes and found the harmonizations that I noticed at least one "subdominant" cadence in (all BWV numbers): 17.7, 19.7, 24.6, 29.8, 45.7, 57.8, 62.6, 75.7/14, 94.8, 95.7, 128.5, 129.5, 161.6, 169.7, 171.6, 190.7, 197.05, 197a.7, 250, 269, 292, 308, 339, 374, 385, 389, 390, 391, 398, 408, 420, 428, 430, 437, and 1126, which should be 38 in total.

  • @CarlosMartinez-gr1rp
    @CarlosMartinez-gr1rp 2 месяца назад

    Did you not forget to let us hear what you are talking about the whole time?

  • @임군희-t7j
    @임군희-t7j 2 месяца назад

    Hello! I'm a high school music teacher in Taiwan. Just want to say thank you to you. Your video is really helpful, the way you anaylze chorale is very clear. Thanks for sharing these videos! : )

  • @kevintmusic
    @kevintmusic 2 месяца назад

    Thanks, good analysis. To answer your question at the end, I tend to only mark a modulation when it can be heard as such, or maybe one preparatory chord prior, rather than earlier in the phrase. Even though it can make sense theoretically to mark it earlier, if the listener can not hear it until a certain point than to their ears there has not been a modulation yet. I guess this could be a debate between whether the planning of the composer or the experience of the listener is the one we should give credence to when analyzing what is happening with the music.

  • @Downthebayou
    @Downthebayou 2 месяца назад

    Thank you!

  • @pyramos5770
    @pyramos5770 2 месяца назад

    Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren. Danke für diese wundervolle Reportage. Ich besitze ein originales Portrait von Johann Sebastian Bach in Öl aus dem Jahren um 1724 ,aus seiner Zeit in Köthen. Sollte die internationale Bach-Forschung Interesse daran haben, setzen Sie sich bitte mit mir hier in Verbindung. Danke !

  • @CalebePriester
    @CalebePriester 2 месяца назад

    This is not BWV 12.7 according to this website I use (bach-chorales). This one is BWV 69a.6. We can tell this by analysing bar 3, beat 3 of the chorale showed in the video and the "real" BWV 12.7. The embellishment are different on that bar and beat. Here's the explanation according to the websise referring to chorale BWV 12.7: "This early 1714 setting reappeared in slightly reworked form as the closing chorale in the 1723 Leipzig cantata Lobe den Herrn, meine Seele, BWV 69a. The later setting appears in the key of G major and without obbligato instruments." Which means this one is the later reworked version (BWV 69a.6), but somehow it did end up in Bb as the "original" version. lol Your version is also missing a formata in bar 9, beat 3. We gotta love these inconsistencies. At first I would get all confused, but now I'm used to it. I'm not consistent myself so I totally understand. Thank God we have those Bach schoolars to help us understand these inconsistencies.

  • @CalebePriester
    @CalebePriester 2 месяца назад

    According to this website I know (bach-chorales) this chorale's first performance was in 1714.04.22. It's the second chorale sorted by date. So this is very early Bach if this information is correct. What I guess it's the case because you said this chorale is very simple harmonically, right? And we have some weird doublings like finishing a PAC with three roots and the fifth. That's very odd and can be explained because this is early Bach. He probably preferred voice leading over having all the complete chord. As time went on he seldom used incomplete chords like that. Later Bach preferred to triple the root and add the third instead of adding the fifth. Let's think about this. If we use the fifth then we can be sure about what chord we are playing, but if we use the root and third then it can be one chord or an inversion. The fifth is a very defining tone chord. If I have a C and G then I know this is some sort of C chord, it may be minor or major, it sure isn't diminish. However if I have C and E it can be C major or some sort of A chord or Ab chord. Yeah, I don't know which one is "better". I would use the one which I think sounds cooler.

  • @Downthebayou
    @Downthebayou 2 месяца назад

    I think that I have the solution concerning the short excursion to F# minor. 4 bars from the end, beat four, downbeat C#m chord, we are still in the key of "E." It's not a minor five of F# minor, it's the vi of E major. As you mentioned, on the upbeat, there is a i 6/4 in F# minor. So, I see this as a 3.5 beat tonicization of F# minor, i 6/4 to viiº to i to V. The F# minor on the upbeat pivots as it is the ii chord in E and the i chord in F# minor. I see it was an extended supertonic in E.

  • @Downthebayou
    @Downthebayou 2 месяца назад

    Thank you. Bach so often increases the harmonic rhythm at cadential points. I don't see the upbeat of 2 in bar three as non-harmonic tones. On the contrary, the upbeat of two is a D#º (viiº) with a deceptive resolution to vi. The "G" in the bass is the non-harmonic tone as a brief pedal point from the downbeat. Anyone else on this journey through the Bach chorales that this is very common. Bach very rarely has more than two non-harmonic tones simultaneously. You'll see that what often appears as a single passing tone is the root of a viiº.

  • @alialavimusic
    @alialavimusic 2 месяца назад

    22:19 what is f#? doesn't belong to any none-chord tone category.

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 2 месяца назад

      It may not belong to any of the textbook non-chord tone categories. If you take the aggregate of everything that's happening with the F#, we get D F# A and C#, which is a IV7 chord. With that being said, I think it's just a passing chord. But, something worth noting is that Bach is getting ready to cadence, and during Bach's cadences, we often see more complex counterpoint, and if you compare what's happening here regarding the F# and also what's happening on the next beat where there's and E on the and of the beat, it looks like there's a little bit of repetition here with the leaping up a 4th. I'm not sure if this could be categorized as a sequence, but with the repetition in the tenor, there might be an argument for it.

  • @musicfundamentals9938
    @musicfundamentals9938 3 месяца назад

    Thanks!

  • @musicfundamentals9938
    @musicfundamentals9938 3 месяца назад

    Hi. Thanks. I disagree with with your analysis in bar 10, but I see your point. You mentioned the viiº7/vi chord on the upbeat of 3 then dismissed it, calling successive notes non-chord tones. For a couple of reasons, I don't think this is correct. The D# harkens back to the original key and also part of a brief but strong tonicization of vi as well as a foreshadowing of the coming modulation. Also, calling these successive notes non-chord tones means that we would have an appoggiatura in the tenor (C) and in the alto (D#) that do not resolve to chord tones. You normally comment that there could be a quicker harmonic rhythm when three voices move on a weak beat. Perhaps you hesitated because of the "E" in the bass throwing a monkey wrench into the D#º7 chord? I see the "E" as the one non-chord tone in this case, as as short pedal point under the brief viiº7 of Em. Also, even with the third of the dim. chord missing, having the tritone above the root and the augmented second below the root do create a strong tendency to resolve to Em. It looks and sounds more like functional harmony than just NCTs, in my opinion. I think the penultimate beat is ii (1/2 dim 6/5), then V7 to I. I was also puzzled as you were by the fluid nature of "G" major or "E" minor in the middle measures. It's a pleasure to check my work with yours. Thank you again for sharing this!

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 3 месяца назад

      Thanks for the detailed analysis. I completely agree with everything you say. There's definitely a subdivided chord progression going on here. You bring up a very good point about more than 2 voices moving in between beats of the harmonic rhythm being a typical indicator of a subdivided chord progression, and that's just as true here as it is in most every case I've analyzed. Unfortunately, due to this being one of my earlier analyses, I don't think I picked up on this and many of Bach's "conventions" until later episodes (although I do pick up on the ambiguous ii viio chord in this video, which is definitely one of Bach's bread and butter chords). I plan to go back and reanalyze some of my earlier chorales when I have the time so that my analyses are most consistent with the style I developed by around episode 100, which is where I think I hit a stride. But like you said, I don't think the chord progression would've made it onto the page because I'd hesitate due to the E suspension in the bass. That doesn't mean the chord isn't worth analyzing, it's just that my style developed to exclude chords off of the harmonic rhythm that aren't complete. One of the benefits of video is that I have the opportunity to talk about it in light of it not making it onto the page (although I missed the opportunity to be as thorough this time around) As far as the tonal fluidity between E minor and G major, it has to be because of the modal nature of the melody. I didn't do a ton of research, but it seems as if the melody was composed in 1410. Although there's still mostly stepwise movement around the tonic and the dominant of E minor, the pivoting between E and G in the middle measures put Bach in a precarious position as far as harmonizing in a normative style (as is the case with so many of the chorales because of the time the melodies were composed). Thanks for the support!

  • @dudaz_music
    @dudaz_music 3 месяца назад

    Keep up the good work. Maybe you could go into analyzing his preludes or inventions!

  • @crustyaf1s
    @crustyaf1s 3 месяца назад

    do you have one on ein feste burg

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 3 месяца назад

      Ein feste burg are cataloged as BWV 302 and BWV 303. I don't which one is the one you're looking for, but I've analyzed all of the chorales. Just search in the playlist or on my channel.

  • @jimvandersteege
    @jimvandersteege 3 месяца назад

    To me, I see great potential in the type of videos you make, but am fully distracted from the content by all the memes and the comedy music in the background. A strange mix with Bach analysis videos as well to be honest. What is your intention with this mix?

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 3 месяца назад

      Thanks for the feedback. The memes were an attempt to make the subject matter lighthearted and will remain a part of my teaching and editing style. I believe that being able to make a meme about a presentation subject can one indication of having a firm grasp on the topic. The music wasn't intended to be comedic in any way. It's accompanimental, and makes use of chord progressions from some of my favorite chorales. This was an experimental video format for me in trying to strike a balance between humor and information, and it's still something I'm working on, but I don't think there's a rule or convention about Bach analysis, or any analysis of any subject for that matter, having to take itself too seriously.

  • @byronicmage
    @byronicmage 3 месяца назад

    Hey Forrest, would you be realising a version which have the harmonisations (analysis) as well?

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 3 месяца назад

      I don't have any plans to release my analyses because of the issue of academic integrity. Besides, all of my analyses are here on RUclips!

  • @agentgalaxy6677
    @agentgalaxy6677 3 месяца назад

    This one was really hard to analyze. I was stuck on last 3 bars. I couldn't find the tonality.

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 3 месяца назад

      It definitely is a tricky one. The chromatic mediant in the middle (which looking it over know is most likely a direct modulation even though the same F chord is being repeated), and the downward stepwise modulations near the end. I think the giveaway regarding the tonalities are in the bass. The F# > G, E > F, and D > Eb draw a lot of attention to each of the tonics in the sequence.

  • @evgenandreev2549
    @evgenandreev2549 4 месяца назад

    Hello! Have a question! Why you decide last note in bass in bar 4 is a passing tone? This tone isn't passing tone, I think it is a D2 that resolve to I6. Isn't it?

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 4 месяца назад

      Hello! If you mean the 4th complete measure, the F natural following the G in the bass is a passing tone. If you mean the 4th total measure, the D in the bass is not a passing tone because it leaps up to G on the next beat. If I said that it did, I misspoke.

  • @jonathanwingmusic
    @jonathanwingmusic 4 месяца назад

    Hi Forrest, wow - this is perfect timing - I am going on a long trip soon and didn't want to pack too many books including my massive tome of the Bach Chorales. This morning I literally just thought, "I wish there was a clean copy of nicely engraved Bach Chorales one-per-page in PDF format which I could load onto my iPad for study from the road." 😂 I have ones from IMSLP but they're so cramped and the engraving+lyrics doesn't leave much room for analysis. I'm so grateful you did this - not surprised it was a lot of work, sounds like you learned a lot along the way about engraving too. Looks awesome, now I'm off to study! 🙏😅

  • @nicolooberto5874
    @nicolooberto5874 4 месяца назад

    ❤❤

  • @dcbetorres
    @dcbetorres 4 месяца назад

    Love your video!! ♥ Was really easy to understand! Keep doing more videos like this, please 🙌

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 4 месяца назад

      Thank you for the kind words. Sadly, I analyzed all of the chorales, so no new videos for the foreseeable future, but there are more than 400 videos in the playlist if you want to watch the whole journey!

  • @Joanalesandro
    @Joanalesandro 4 месяца назад

    thanks for adapting the language to the audience 🇲🇽

  • @mopsydaisy
    @mopsydaisy 4 месяца назад

    An absolut massacre when you pronounced the German names. What's the matter with Americans?

    • @markiangooley
      @markiangooley 17 дней назад

      I don’t have that problem but my Mom was from East Prussia and German was my Ukrainian Dad’s third language. My parents argued in German. My Dad corrected by Mom’s Prussian pronunciation with his carefully learned Hochdeutsch. But I’m unusual. My German pronunciation is excellent but my German grammar is terrible. So I’m… uneven at best.

  • @CalebePriester
    @CalebePriester 5 месяцев назад

    I think it ends in D because if you analyze the cadence you will noticed that it's a "cadenza doppia". In this case V7-i64-Vsus4-V-I. It's just happens that the soprano ends on the fifth degree of the scale. This chorale is so cool. Very unnusual stuff happening. Really cool. And it sounds amazing. Sounds very good. The Bb augmented was such a surprise, the chain of IV-viihalf° chords was really cool as well, the N6 chord. Bach was very inspired when he composed this one, huh? Very tasteful.

  • @CalebePriester
    @CalebePriester 5 месяцев назад

    My analysis of the fourth "phrase" was like this: Key d: i | ((IV - viihalf°43 of VI), but I took this as the common chord to modulate to Bb so that is IV - viihalf°43 of I (Bb, now we are in Bb)) - (IV6 - viihalf° of V) - (V - viihalf°43 of I) - Iaugmented6 | vi (but this is a common chord to modulate to g, so this is a iii-iv) - V - i That part was tricky. But overral I think the same as you. I think it starts in Bb and then modulates to g.

  • @GerardoBarraza-vm3sw
    @GerardoBarraza-vm3sw 5 месяцев назад

    Where do you get the sheet music for all of these analysis'? im trying to do analysis' for my music theory class but cant find the sheet music

    • @forrestmusictheory
      @forrestmusictheory 5 месяцев назад

      Hi, I made these myself, so unfortunately they're not publically available. You can find midi information online that you can import into a notation software and make a copy for yourself.

  • @lvb1770
    @lvb1770 5 месяцев назад

    The pointless, distracting and countless memes make this unwatchable and a complete waste of what otherwise may have been useful. How can you even read a meme while you are talking about Bach? Why waste your time with needless filler like this? I don't want to see pics of Kayne and Taylor in a Bach educational video. What a total waste. Why? smh....