You can make a nice automatic landing if you encounter a dual engine failure on a B777 from high altitude. Aim 4000ft, 10Nm, 250kts, engage dual autopilot. 700ft: gear down, flaps 15, then landing flaps around 100ft. Great exercise! ❤ Love this plane 🛬
The lesson is, Captain. Under the right conditions pertaining to height above the ground, distance from a suitable airport to land at, wind conditions, and (yes) even the aircraft weight, a successful landing is likely to be achieved if the aircraft is handled correctly. Now try it in Cat 3 approach conditions.
I doubt any real crew would respond this quickly. This crew were obviously briefed on the nature of the simulated failure and responded instantly. In reality a crew would first have to determine what had happened before responding, which would take time, then working through dual engine failure check-lists.
Perché ci fate perdere tempo con le simulazioni? Dovete dirlo nel titolo quando è così! 😡 Why do you waste our time with simulations? You have to say it in the title when it is!
Cool, now do it without knowing the incoming dual engine failure and without banking like if you were in a military aircraft...human factor....fun video though...
@@leonardoparigi7502 aircraft engineers and test pilots are literally digging their own graves reading your second comment. OF COURSE they are designed to withstand that amount force (which isn’t that much at all). if those type of turns are concerning to you then i honestly don’t have anything to say to you. do you prefer dying over taking a 45° turn? in a real emergency, as long as you get on the ground safely then that’s all that matters.
I saw a really funny clip a while ago where they were doing tests like this and secretly for fun - both the pilot and co-pilot were planning to have an engine failure right after takeoff. They were just messing around but they didn’t know they both were planning it, so they are all quiet and about to takeoff and simoulataneuoisly they both shut offs an engine, and look at eachother like wait did you do one also ? And the cockpit burst out in laughter and they crash immediately haha. One if the funniest sim clips I’ve ever seen but I can’t find it anywhere on RUclips. I hope they didn’t delete it cuz it was honestly one of the funniest laughs ive ever heard
How else are they supposed to train in the correct procedure? - Don't expect that every simulator session is the same for improving the flight crew's response to all engine failure at takeoff. I expect they'll also do training sessions where the failure of the engines is not in any brief, for example.
@@monolith1337 I was not talking about the training. Of course it should be trained. I was talking about the fact, that you can't expect this performance when you are experiencing this situation in daily ops. Some people might think that this performance is normal, like the pilots don't experience a startle effect at all - doing immediately the right thing and taking immediately the correct decision. And that would be a wrong assumption.
@J Pilots train on these simulators for countless hours to prepare them for the real thing. If it's just a game why do you need to pass your simulator exams as part of a real pilot training?
To jung Rehn ; So you think this video and others on my channel of airliners "there is nothing like a Turnback Altitude". If you dont know those turning glides, dont say others dont either. About The Miracle On The Hudson crash on river, From the 3,000 feet and 200 knots, and only 4 miles from airport, and he heads to a freaking frozen river to kill them all. So he did the easiest for him to do maneuver. The river was a 5 mile long, one mile wide "Runway". Easier to "Land" there. heading to LGA was safer to do, but a bit more difficult due the "smaller place". He chickened out and chosed the easiest kind of approach to do, PERIOD. I taught that maneuver for real on many airplanes and different strong winds, FOR REAL, not just on simulators. No sims in 1993 when i started teaching turbacks to opposite runway. The airplane was the hero that saved him from stalling the airplane with his panic pull at 200 agl, then landed himself and the well made European airplane didnt sink, plust the Weehawken Ferries by luck were empty and ready to pick them up in freezing waters. Luck is not talent, you dummy.
On the movie SULLY, done by Hollywood, they only spoke of the fails to reach LGA or TTB AFTER GOING TO THE RIVER. That is a lie. Nobody in NTSB said they should have tried to reach LGA AFTER going to the river, They were too dam obviously too low by that time. They were talking about the 24 attempts from Airbus BEFORE GOING TO THE RIVER that all of the pilots tested landed safely. But Hollywood changed that to sell tickets to you with a lie. The 17 attempts from the river were fails, not the ones from over the North Bronx after hitting the birds. They had 17 seconds to turback to LGA, but he kept going to the Hudson instead. Hollywood lied to you. Liberal Media Lies. They fooled Americans. Not europeans, who investigated the accident more in dept without first been BS by USA media liberal liars. In most Europe, The Airplane is the hero that didnt sink even when hit at 2.5 the design rate. And the Fly By Wire System avoided the panic Pull elevator Sully was doing at 200 agl that coud have stalled the airplane at 250 agl and kill them all...
Get it properly lined up on the ILS at an appropriate speed, arm the approach mode and this aircraft will do a fully automatic landing with both engines failed. Great aircraft.
At what AGL would you fuel dump? The copilot switched to aux battery and APU, pretty confident that's procedure. Did he just bank 180% on VFR for final I must have missed ATC.
Because he didn't adjust the autothrottle, he adjusted the speed bug on the pfd to his target speed. The autothrottle is commanded from the bug depending on the flight mode you're in.
Normally in low altitude, this thing happens suddenly and you need time to understand the situation. Those 'seconds' will contribute to whether you become a hero, or become a zero. Plus, EVEN though its technically possible to return to the airport, as a captain with a split second decision, will you risk everyone on board ONLY or everyone on board + ground? In some places error in your judgement may cause up to thousands of dead, especially in an aircraft loaded with tons of fuel.
@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 in airlines SOP and ICAO guidelines there aren't any thing called "turn back altitude. It would be deadly if you start turning without understand the severity of the situation.
All pilots know that if you lose both engines, from over 2,000 agl, you should turn to airport first, then try to start the engines as you head to it. Never head away and try to start them going away from airport.. That was a huge pilot error from Sully.. Then on the movie they covered up that if he didnt go to the river initially instead of LGA, he could have glide it to airport. 1- Aviate, 2-navigate (to closest airport), 3-then communicate what you are doing. 4- try to restart, if time and ability for it while heading to airport. With some tailwind when going back, most jets that climbed well can go back to airport if pilot dont freak out and start making girly pilot errors. 2,000 agl?? engines off or fire?? Aviate (lower nose), 2-Navigate to closest airport if over 2,000 agl. Then decide if you can make it or not.
From 2,300 agl?? Great. Now teach Sully this Turnback maneuver instead of he crashing it on river from higher altitude he did.. This is The Probable Turnback done well. and this is a full Question Mark Shaped Turnback of 270 degrees total. Sully only needed about 160 degrees of total turning to be on a high base leg to runway 13 that he used hundreds of times before..
@@outwiththem "us experienced pilots" "I'm a CFI" Jesus guy and what? You want a bronze star, some cookies, and a toothy sucky suck from Methany to go with your ego? Didn't know we were talking to Bob Hoover and Chuck Yeager's love child here. You are a CFI. Your job is to turn pimple faced booger eating clowns, depressed old men, and gold diggers into pilots. You know hobbyist level information about a handful of areas. That's it. Check your ego, lock down this edgy shit, and pretend for a minute that maybe just maybe you weren't in that plane and that you might just not know anything about flying an A320 with dual engine failure over NYC. Here's the NTSB accident report for flight 1549 if you care to try and educate your giga brain... www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR1003.pdf
Calmly turned toward the airport immediately after failure. No checking of any instruments or issues. No checklist procedures. It's almost like they knew exactly what would happen in this simulation. Hrmmm...
It's possible that the pilots are in an early stage of training where they're practicing specific procedures over and over. The surprise failures dont come until a later stage of training. Also, they're probably calm because they're in a simulator and not in a real emergency.
So you will try to start the engines at that low altitide instead of The Turnback to Opposite.. What about if they dont start?? Dummy.. Just Turnback and glide it back.. Geeee. That was the huge mistake of Captain Sully.. But he didnt know that turn and kept going forward to New Jersey instead of turning to runway 13 on his left side..
@@bodystomp5302 Bulshit. Only cowards say that.. I taught that maneuver a lot during my CFI years in the 1990's. You have to know when to and when not too.. Learn it well. Many turnbacks are done every month in USa and due no accident, no published. Only the badly done ones are published all over.. Done bad by cowards that didnt want to learn them before. I also have 2 done after partial power engine failed. One from 300 agl. Cessna 150..
Too much television. GPWS callouts are information for pilots. Sink rate and pull up are generated very early when plane is sinking at described speed and close to ground (it can be thousands feets). When plane is landing on airport without being in GPWS database, then pilot will hear "pull up" for couple minutes.
It s not realistic .... decision like : Gear down .... Flaps15.... ... I m sur every pilot with no thrust will think twice before lowering the gear and getting more flaps ... even on final ... things aren’t so easy and 100% sure in real life...
You can make a nice automatic landing if you encounter a dual engine failure on a B777 from high altitude. Aim 4000ft, 10Nm, 250kts, engage dual autopilot. 700ft: gear down, flaps 15, then landing flaps around 100ft. Great exercise! ❤ Love this plane 🛬
Simulator
That was a very good approach to landing!
The lesson is, Captain. Under the right conditions pertaining to height above the ground, distance from a suitable airport to land at, wind conditions, and (yes) even the aircraft weight, a successful landing is likely to be achieved if the aircraft is handled correctly. Now try it in Cat 3 approach conditions.
absolutely pointless exercise, knew it was coming (he cut the engines himself).
Great work.
Let’s get this video to 777 likes
yep I would have crashed the simulator
Wwwwoooowwwww,
Nice work!
Look Man!!! We're coming back to the city... Let's dump fuel now... 🙂🙂🙂😎😎🤣🤣🤣🤣
I doubt any real crew would respond this quickly. This crew were obviously briefed on the nature of the simulated failure and responded instantly. In reality a crew would first have to determine what had happened before responding, which would take time, then working through dual engine failure check-lists.
Thumbs up! :-)
Good thing it was totally flat terrian
What's the usage of spinning the speed dial if the engines are off? Is that more for reference?
It looks like he did it just by habit and then left it once he realized it wasn't necessary.
Incredibly good work. Landing in touchdown zone is not easy while maintain glide speed in same time.
Didn't know that thing was such a good glider...
Is this a simulation exercise?
That’s Changi. I know it well.
Perché ci fate perdere tempo con le simulazioni? Dovete dirlo nel titolo quando è così! 😡 Why do you waste our time with simulations? You have to say it in the title when it is!
Well done, great job
Cool, now do it without knowing the incoming dual engine failure and without banking like if you were in a military aircraft...human factor....fun video though...
@@leonardoparigi7502 aircraft engineers and test pilots are literally digging their own graves reading your second comment. OF COURSE they are designed to withstand that amount force (which isn’t that much at all). if those type of turns are concerning to you then i honestly don’t have anything to say to you. do you prefer dying over taking a 45° turn? in a real emergency, as long as you get on the ground safely then that’s all that matters.
I saw a really funny clip a while ago where they were doing tests like this and secretly for fun - both the pilot and co-pilot were planning to have an engine failure right after takeoff. They were just messing around but they didn’t know they both were planning it, so they are all quiet and about to takeoff and simoulataneuoisly they both shut offs an engine, and look at eachother like wait did you do one also ? And the cockpit burst out in laughter and they crash immediately haha. One if the funniest sim clips I’ve ever seen but I can’t find it anywhere on RUclips. I hope they didn’t delete it cuz it was honestly one of the funniest laughs ive ever heard
ruclips.net/video/vi6OK-srxJk/видео.html
@@zeeman531 we have the hero
Anyone finds it comment plz
ruclips.net/video/vi6OK-srxJk/видео.html There you go boys
Here you go - ruclips.net/video/vi6OK-srxJk/видео.html
Things that don't work like this in real life. Prepared crew for this situation doesn't represent realistic behavior.
@Fast Cara in your dreams
How else are they supposed to train in the correct procedure? - Don't expect that every simulator session is the same for improving the flight crew's response to all engine failure at takeoff. I expect they'll also do training sessions where the failure of the engines is not in any brief, for example.
@@monolith1337 I was not talking about the training. Of course it should be trained. I was talking about the fact, that you can't expect this performance when you are experiencing this situation in daily ops. Some people might think that this performance is normal, like the pilots don't experience a startle effect at all - doing immediately the right thing and taking immediately the correct decision. And that would be a wrong assumption.
Everyone knows this is a simulation... right?
you know that simulations SIMULATE the real thing, right? so if this happened in real life, this scenario would be 90% similar
@@CODMASTA 99% in my opinion.
@J Pilots train on these simulators for countless hours to prepare them for the real thing. If it's just a game why do you need to pass your simulator exams as part of a real pilot training?
To jung Rehn ; So you think this video and others on my channel of airliners "there is nothing like a Turnback Altitude". If you dont know those turning glides, dont say others dont either. About The Miracle On The Hudson crash on river, From the 3,000 feet and 200 knots, and only 4 miles from airport, and he heads to a freaking frozen river to kill them all. So he did the easiest for him to do maneuver. The river was a 5 mile long, one mile wide "Runway". Easier to "Land" there. heading to LGA was safer to do, but a bit more difficult due the "smaller place". He chickened out and chosed the easiest kind of approach to do, PERIOD. I taught that maneuver for real on many airplanes and different strong winds, FOR REAL, not just on simulators. No sims in 1993 when i started teaching turbacks to opposite runway. The airplane was the hero that saved him from stalling the airplane with his panic pull at 200 agl, then landed himself and the well made European airplane didnt sink, plust the Weehawken Ferries by luck were empty and ready to pick them up in freezing waters. Luck is not talent, you dummy.
didnt ask
On the movie SULLY, done by Hollywood, they only spoke of the fails to reach LGA or TTB AFTER GOING TO THE RIVER. That is a lie. Nobody in NTSB said they should have tried to reach LGA AFTER going to the river, They were too dam obviously too low by that time. They were talking about the 24 attempts from Airbus BEFORE GOING TO THE RIVER that all of the pilots tested landed safely. But Hollywood changed that to sell tickets to you with a lie. The 17 attempts from the river were fails, not the ones from over the North Bronx after hitting the birds. They had 17 seconds to turback to LGA, but he kept going to the Hudson instead. Hollywood lied to you. Liberal Media Lies. They fooled Americans. Not europeans, who investigated the accident more in dept without first been BS by USA media liberal liars. In most Europe, The Airplane is the hero that didnt sink even when hit at 2.5 the design rate. And the Fly By Wire System avoided the panic Pull elevator Sully was doing at 200 agl that coud have stalled the airplane at 250 agl and kill them all...
Get it properly lined up on the ILS at an appropriate speed, arm the approach mode and this aircraft will do a fully automatic landing with both engines failed. Great aircraft.
At what AGL would you fuel dump? The copilot switched to aux battery and APU, pretty confident that's procedure. Did he just bank 180% on VFR for final I must have missed ATC.
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Impressive. Very cool. Why did he adjust the autothrottles on final though? There’s no thrust. Looks like he went to 161kts.
Because he didn't adjust the autothrottle, he adjusted the speed bug on the pfd to his target speed. The autothrottle is commanded from the bug depending on the flight mode you're in.
alexander kamerbeek awesome, thanks for explaining that!
If you know this Turnback.. Do it, dont be a coward and crash outside the airport. Its not that difficult to do..
Normally in low altitude, this thing happens suddenly and you need time to understand the situation. Those 'seconds' will contribute to whether you become a hero, or become a zero. Plus, EVEN though its technically possible to return to the airport, as a captain with a split second decision, will you risk everyone on board ONLY or everyone on board + ground? In some places error in your judgement may cause up to thousands of dead, especially in an aircraft loaded with tons of fuel.
@@junrenong8576 That is why you need to say aloud the turnback altitude before every take off..
@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 The is no such thing as a "turnback" altitude. Just stay quiet and do us a favour. Thanks
@@junrenong8576 Well said!
@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 in airlines SOP and ICAO guidelines there aren't any thing called "turn back altitude. It would be deadly if you start turning without understand the severity of the situation.
You have to have the Question Mark altitude BEFORE you do THE QUESTION MARK TURNBACK.. They had the 2,500 agl needed for the weight..
All pilots know that if you lose both engines, from over 2,000 agl, you should turn to airport first, then try to start the engines as you head to it. Never head away and try to start them going away from airport.. That was a huge pilot error from Sully.. Then on the movie they covered up that if he didnt go to the river initially instead of LGA, he could have glide it to airport. 1- Aviate, 2-navigate (to closest airport), 3-then communicate what you are doing. 4- try to restart, if time and ability for it while heading to airport. With some tailwind when going back, most jets that climbed well can go back to airport if pilot dont freak out and start making girly pilot errors. 2,000 agl?? engines off or fire?? Aviate (lower nose), 2-Navigate to closest airport if over 2,000 agl. Then decide if you can make it or not.
From 2,300 agl?? Great. Now teach Sully this Turnback maneuver instead of he crashing it on river from higher altitude he did.. This is The Probable Turnback done well. and this is a full Question Mark Shaped Turnback of 270 degrees total. Sully only needed about 160 degrees of total turning to be on a high base leg to runway 13 that he used hundreds of times before..
Brilliant, it's almost like they knew the double fail was coming! 😉
lol
@@outwiththem "us experienced pilots" "I'm a CFI" Jesus guy and what? You want a bronze star, some cookies, and a toothy sucky suck from Methany to go with your ego? Didn't know we were talking to Bob Hoover and Chuck Yeager's love child here. You are a CFI. Your job is to turn pimple faced booger eating clowns, depressed old men, and gold diggers into pilots. You know hobbyist level information about a handful of areas. That's it. Check your ego, lock down this edgy shit, and pretend for a minute that maybe just maybe you weren't in that plane and that you might just not know anything about flying an A320 with dual engine failure over NYC. Here's the NTSB accident report for flight 1549 if you care to try and educate your giga brain... www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR1003.pdf
Easy to do when you only have 30 tonnes of fuel on board... let's see that again with 120 tonnes for a long haul.
Calmly turned toward the airport immediately after failure. No checking of any instruments or issues. No checklist procedures. It's almost like they knew exactly what would happen in this simulation. Hrmmm...
like they're going back to pick up the milk
It's possible that the pilots are in an early stage of training where they're practicing specific procedures over and over. The surprise failures dont come until a later stage of training. Also, they're probably calm because they're in a simulator and not in a real emergency.
So you will try to start the engines at that low altitide instead of The Turnback to Opposite.. What about if they dont start?? Dummy.. Just Turnback and glide it back.. Geeee. That was the huge mistake of Captain Sully.. But he didnt know that turn and kept going forward to New Jersey instead of turning to runway 13 on his left side..
@@CFITOMAHAWK when you lose engine power on takeoff, do not attempt to return to the airfield. It's one of the basic precepts of pilot training.
@@bodystomp5302 Bulshit. Only cowards say that.. I taught that maneuver a lot during my CFI years in the 1990's. You have to know when to and when not too.. Learn it well. Many turnbacks are done every month in USa and due no accident, no published. Only the badly done ones are published all over.. Done bad by cowards that didnt want to learn them before. I also have 2 done after partial power engine failed. One from 300 agl. Cessna 150..
As soon as you hear the "whoop whoop whoop whoop", you know something's wrong...
Nah that's just the flight attendant starting her strip show 😋
Too much television. GPWS callouts are information for pilots. Sink rate and pull up are generated very early when plane is sinking at described speed and close to ground (it can be thousands feets). When plane is landing on airport without being in GPWS database, then pilot will hear "pull up" for couple minutes.
First Thing to do is START THE APU if you dont agree with me call Sully Sullenberg
is that training add after captain sully's ditching in hudson??
Yes. This is what he didnt do. Lucky the airplane didnt sink fast.. and those ferry boats were not busy that moment..
Is this a flight simulator?
It s not realistic .... decision like : Gear down .... Flaps15.... ... I m sur every pilot with no thrust will think twice before lowering the gear and getting more flaps ... even on final ... things aren’t so easy and 100% sure in real life...
Make a landing from 2000ft with dual engine failure...please
Was that dual fail at 2,000 feet agl or not??
FANTASTIC!! Of course jetliners can glide. Just a matter of keeping the right speed.
777 gliding like that? Of course I know that hight altitud or speed helps but none of those on video. need to try that.
Simulator
eject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only figter jets have eject functions bruh