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It's really not, but hey thanks for the comment.

@AllerSdF In my own practice, I have difficulty both applying the short edge under-shilt to the bind and striking the right temple edge-on at the same time. This has led me to striking on the left temple when binding the same side of the blade with schielhau

Honestly our thinking on this has evolved greatly since this was recorded. Flat strikes have martial value even if not immediately fatal. Ask yourself, are you comfortable getting hit in the head with a bar of steel that has been sharpened on the edges, without any kind of protection? While it's highly unlikely any such strike is going to be deadly, it can still be quite painful, and delivered to the proper target even incapacitating. Over the years I've take a few flat strikes on my mask right over my ear. It set my ears ringing and easily left me open to a follow-up strike. I have no interest in ever taking a strike like that from a sharp sword without a mask.

@@SacHistoricalFencingthank you for your answer. Im looking at this from another angle than how fatal an attack like this can be: my judgement is that these attacks are much easier to parry than a usual, properly aligned attack. I can see that it might be useful to get into a winding or thrusting position, kind of as a feint, where the blade is already properly aligned, but there are better ways do archieve this. I would personally never, in any situation, go for a strike like this, just because if i get parried it is much harder to recover. I would add that attacking strikes are already relatively rare compared to cuts or thrusts, as those are superior in motion, speed and reach(thrusts) and perhaps even power - most of the time. Perhaps i am not seeing something or misjudging this, so feel free make an opposing point.

Well we filmed this year's ago, so I'm not sure what part you're specifically referencing. However drills by and large aren't fighting, they are about learning certain movement patterns. So yeah, these 8 year old flat strikes I'm doing aren't something I'd advise one of our current students who've finished beginners material to use, outside of very specific instances that can arise from within a bind, but they are good for beginners who aren't ready to spar and instead are still learning to move the sword around without getting their hands tangled up.

@@SacHistoricalFencing I see, thank you!

My pleasure

We have a monthly in house tournament and a local every other month that we will be livestreaming.

Sorry I didn't see this comment, we really probably should remake these videos that are closing in on being a decade old. One principle we work on with our beginners is that they need to be able to control the sword before they worry about anything else but that also includes controlling their body. It starts with footwork. If you can't move your feet, moving the sword around doesn't really do much good. So I would suggest: learn to move your feet, learn to move your sword, then learn to move your sword with your feet.

These videos were originally done as part of a live stream show, sorry for the delay at the start.

No. The swords are practical use, allowing for safe sparring. The sword Enrique uses is a Hanwei practical rapier, which is notorious for being extremely flexible.

Serafin hasn't fenced actively with us in 2 years, so that is him unpracticed. He is a very excellent fencer!

@@SacHistoricalFencing Wow that's quite impressive!

@@SacHistoricalFencing Also, Serafin moves with deadly efficiency and purpose, which would be essential on the battlefield, to conserve one's strength. Those coming to HEMA from modern sport fencing could take a note here.

Hi Francois, we're still around it's just that we made the move to being a full time school with a dedicated space last year and haven't had time to start making videos again. But thank you for your comment.

What makes you feel that way? While this was a popular opinion a while ago it's generally been agreed upon that it's an inaccurate one. Opinions have shifted to both recognize Meyer's martial viability and that the idea that early KdF is only for "real combat" is itself flawed.

I'm sorry bud, but your comment just shows how much you don't understand the system and the old systems at that. If you formulated this opinion by yourself, maybe do some more study and training. If your instructor told you this, maybe find a new one...

That's without smoking. I wouldn't be able to speak of I had smoked

@@SacHistoricalFencing just giving you a hard time buddy 😆

Cheers

I didn't see the comment until now for some reason but yes the description doesn't match the diagram

I can't put my pell in an Unterhengen but I'll see what I can get done Sunday to record a longer demo

Incidentally I'm not arguing against being able to do the actions from all types of binds but rather a question of the classification of actions. Why is a Doplieren a distinct action and not just a Wind In? My argument that the various types of bind geometry is giving rise to the different naming conventions that we see. Of the 4 possible configurations of bind (both from above, one from above and one from below, one from below and one from above, both from below) the first 3 are there just common to occur in the initial binding. I'd need to go look to see if I can find the both from below (both in Unterhengen) happening in Meyer. But I'll see what I can get done Sunday

@@SacHistoricalFencing I conceptualize everything that happens in the middle/handworks in the bind, as a wind. The different names given to actions are different ways to describe the actions and the circumstances in which they occur. Setting-Off is just winding with the long edge starting out of a bind; doubling is winding with the short edge against strength from an initial bind, and so forth. Instead of saying "perform the 17th winding action" we are given mnemonics like "x-hauw."

I don't disagree but I'll save it to for the requested demo to go into more details about why I think it matters

@@SacHistoricalFencing 👍

So, part of what I am arguing here is that while there are many (little w) winding actions, the (big W) Winden "Windings" are being done from this Unterhengen or Einhengen position. So when I "wind" from a Zorn bind I am actually doing one of the other named actions in Meyer's Handtarbeit. They "are" the winding but from a very specific situation. Its all fiddly and at the end of the day doesn't 100% make a difference. So then to your specific question in regards to 1.30r2. I am going to assume that the initial bind here is a Zorn/Zorn bind, so when I shove my pommel suddenly through under my right arm its not a "Winding" (big W) because of the initial bind. But having reversed and brought myself into a hanging position, I can now actually Wind (now it is a big W). Further, this makes sense because the "Wind the short edge Outward" works with my understanding of that position. Winding Out (Auswinden if you will) is (in Meyer) a wind that moves my blade into opposition against my opponent's blade, whereas Winding In (Einwinden) in, again in Meyer, a yielding action that goes around their blade. So Winding In is soft, Winding Out is hard. Basically Meyer (I'm not really to really assault the early KdF tradition on this) has his Windings reversed from what most modern HEMA people do. Whereas its common to first press then yield, Meyer's winds yield, then press. You have to keep hard on the blade during the yielding to maintain Fuhlen but you are strengthening your position while doing so by bringing your blade on top of theirs. If you feel them leaving the bind to "rush down on your from above" as he says, you then Wind the pommel out from under your arm to displace them and protect yourself. If they strengthen against this and push your point off to the side (their left if starting from a bind from my right to their left) then you Durchwinden through with the pommel. If that leaves confusion I will attempt to film another video this Sunday to answer further.

Ah, I see. I did not pick up on your difference of the letter W. Is this distinction (big and little W) used in the treatise anywhere, or is it more of a personal rule? Assuming I understand your point, the handworks that retain blade contact such as Reversing, Winding Through, and maybe even Wrenching are all “winding,” but not “Winding.” I may not entirely agree with this, but I’ll approach some devices with this mindset to see if I can better understand your viewpoint in practice, not just theory. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for me.

Yeah, what I'm saying is that the "8 Windings" take place from the Hengen specifically, which in this case means one person is in Unterhengen, Ochs(ish), and the other is in Einhengen, pflug(ish). However there are many actions which are related and wind or wend to bring the point in line but aren't one of the 8 Windings if they aren't starting from that particular bind (in Meyer, rdl may be different (

Not to be dismissive, I swear, but to summarize: when binding, if not in Hengen, wind to one, if in Hengen from winding, or parrying with Hengen, Wind to body, inward or outward as the situation calls for it. (Deliberate use of W and w)

You're not being dismissive at all, I asked for people to come at me and pick it apart. But, yes that's basically it.

Glad you liked it. I should note that this review of quite old at this point. Having said that the Castile feders have only gotten better over that time.

Yeah, my SCA group actually just bought one of the latest models of castille armory feder blades for loaner gear. I was using this video to get an overall sense of how the regenyei compare flex wise, because I'm looking to purchase one and I was sure if it met the SCA flex standards. If its in the same ballpark like it looks to be it should be fine!

With the Castile you can specify the desired level of flex with options for SCA C&T our HEMA. Personally I think the C&T flex is ultimately overall as the HEMA level is to stiff. It was adopted by Castile during the height of popularity for murdersticks that swept through the HEMA scene a couple of years ago but we're now seeing trends away from.

honestly i have no idea what a murderstick is but i want one

Nah you really don't. They are things like the Black Horse feder that are dangerously stiff and getting thrust with one can be quite painful. They also let you cheat your technique in a bind

It's the internet, there's always someone that will dislike things.

First, read through all of Meyer, or at least the 3 sword sections. Don't try and actually do his plays, hell you can almost skip them. You're just getting a feel for what he advises. Then after you've read through the book you can go back and start working plays, but don't obsess. It's very easy to get bogged down in his initial chapters but most of his good advice and material comes later in the book. Personally I found my best progress started when I looked at his rapier plays and started thinking about and working them but using a Longsword. Hopefully that will get you going but feel free to ask if you have more questions

Hi Taylor, it's on our list of things to do. Unfortunately like so many things both covid and the California fires have gotten in the way. But I'll try and get those other primary cuts done.

I could see it working

So if you haven't already I'd suggest watching our series on the Rostock Diagram and Rules as they provide a better framework for how we feel Meyer approached a fight. The key with the Rules is to follow them until it's appropriate to break them.

Drills are used in drills. Actual fight, thinks compress.

Sure. It's all pretty roughly put together but that just makes it easy for other people to do

@@SacHistoricalFencing we're looking at teaching remotely to people meeting in person since a good number of our instructors are high risk or live with high risk friends/family. So, having a dummy that can hold a sword would be nice for when we can't get instructors together in a bubble.

Ok I'll try and get something filmed today or tomorrow, although it will be rough since it's going to be around 113 as the high today.

@@SacHistoricalFencing godspeed!

Unfortunately because of the quarantine restrictions we are going to have to postpone our planned tournament until next year..

This is frankly, unhelpful. Yes yes we're swinging steel bars at each other but we still take pains to minimize the risk to ourselves and others. Similarly a face mask isn't intended to protect you, it's to protect others. If you are touching your face and then communal items or gear the presence or absence of a face mask will have little effect. However the mask will greatly reduced airborne droplets which will help to protect others. And that is the key, slowing airborne transmission. Spreading via contact is prevented by not touching other people or their gear.

I'm glad you're enjoying them. We have a few things delaying video production at the moment but we have more on the way

I guarantee that the amount of protection provided by my period style doublet is significant compared to a t-shirt. A SPES officer style jacket is similar in it's cut resistant capabilities. Yes an impact on an elbow will have similar blunt force effects but that's a function of mass, not the ability to cut. I think we see this protective ability in action when looking at the dagger and the types of strikes employed, vs say something that develops in warmer climates. You're simply not going to cut all that easily through thick wool compared to stabbing through parts of it.

The whole thing really does make one want to know more about the whole wet vs dry fechtschule and how it all worked.