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Tools, techniques, and reviews focused on Infrared photography.
Luminar Neo for Infrared Photography
Using Luminar Neo for Infrared Photography, setting a white balance, and various methods for swapping colors, including using LUTs.
Software used: Skylum Luminar Neo v1.20.1 (13681)
Infrared Profile Pack 590.red/ipp
LUTs for Color Infrared Video and Photography 590.red/lut2
PRO Infrared LUTs 590.red/pro-luts
Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com
Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap
Infrared Profiles, LUTs, & Presets: 590.red/profiles
Infrared Blog: 590.red/blog
Infrared Newsletter: 590.red/news
Infrared Coaching: 590.red/coach
Diffraction Calculator: www.diffraction.cAm
Infrared Lenses: 590.red/lenses
Infrared Editors: 590.red/raw
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Software used: Skylum Luminar Neo v1.20.1 (13681)
Infrared Profile Pack 590.red/ipp
LUTs for Color Infrared Video and Photography 590.red/lut2
PRO Infrared LUTs 590.red/pro-luts
Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com
Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap
Infrared Profiles, LUTs, & Presets: 590.red/profiles
Infrared Blog: 590.red/blog
Infrared Newsletter: 590.red/news
Infrared Coaching: 590.red/coach
Diffraction Calculator: www.diffraction.cAm
Infrared Lenses: 590.red/lenses
Infrared Editors: 590.red/raw
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100% Lightroom workflow for Infrared Photography
Просмотров 2,3 тыс.Месяц назад
Introducing the new version of my Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles. The new version adds 22 new color swap profiles for each temperature. Do you enjoy using Adobe Lightroom to edit images but are frustrated by the challenges and extra steps required to edit infrared photos entirely within Lightroom? Would you prefer to avoid the round trip to Photoshop and the extra TIF or PSD files? With...
Fixing Infrared Hot Spots with the Fujifilm GF 35-70mm f/4.5-5.6 WR
Просмотров 1,1 тыс.2 месяца назад
Correcting mild infrared hot spots with the Fujifilm GF 35-70mm f/4.5-5.6 WR using Lightroom Classic. These techniques could also address mild hot spots from other lenses and most raw editors. 0:00 Intro 1:01 Hot spot tests 2:02 Hot spot fix 1 6:05 Hot spot fix 2 8:52 Hot spot fix 3 10:58 Hot spot fix 4 Software used: Lightroom Classic 13.3 Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com Lightroom Infrared...
Add Color Infrared Style to Any Image or Video
Просмотров 8663 месяца назад
Transform your visible-light photos, mobile photos, drone footage, or video into the vivid colors of infrared! This LUT and profile pack supports Lightroom and any raw photo or video editor that uses LUTs. It contains six infrared-style color treatments to turn your greenery into vibrant reds, oranges, yellows, golds, magentas, or whites. Each color treatment includes three styles. Faux Infrare...
Secrets of White Balance for Infrared Photography 3: Curves
Просмотров 2,8 тыс.3 месяца назад
This demo shows how to set a white balance for infrared images without a profile and without using any white balance or color temperature controls. It uses Photoshop, but it can be done with any raw editor supporting curves. Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap Infrared Profiles, LUTs, & Presets: 590.red/profiles Infrared Blog: 590...
Infrared Chrome Profile Pack
Просмотров 1,5 тыс.3 месяца назад
These free profiles allow you to set a good white balance when using an IR Chrome filter and shooting in raw. They work with all versions of Lightroom and Photoshop. Chrome Profile Pack: 590.red/chrome-profile-pack Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap Infrared Profiles, LUTs, & Presets: 590.red/profiles Infrared Blog: 590.red/blog ...
Diffraction Calculator
Просмотров 1,3 тыс.4 месяца назад
Discover this groundbreaking tool, diffraction.cam, where you can select your camera, filter, and ƒ-stop to identify the optimal settings for avoiding diffraction and achieving razor-sharp images. www.diffraction.cam Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap Infrared Profiles, LUTs, & Presets: 590.red/profiles Infrared Blog: 590.red/blo...
Best Infrared Raw Editor
Просмотров 2,3 тыс.4 месяца назад
Which raw editor is the best for infrared photography? Best ecosystem? Easiest to use? Most affordable? Best for Windows, Mac, or Linux or mobile? Looking at Lightroom, Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Affinity Photo 2, Canon Digital Photo Professional, Capture One, darktable, DxO PhotoLab, ON1 Photo Raw, Photomator, Pixelmator Pro, and RawTherapee. Raw Editors for Infrared Photography: 590.red/ra...
Infrared Filter Recommendations - Color Doesn't Exist Audiobook Sample Chapter
Просмотров 1,3 тыс.4 месяца назад
This audiobook sample chapter is from Color Doesn't Exist: A Practical Guide to Infrared Photography. You can purchase the print, eBook, or audiobook editions at infraredbook.com. Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap Infrared Profiles, LUTs, & Presets: 590.red/profiles Infrared Blog: 590.red/blog...
Affinity Photo 2 for Infrared Photography
Просмотров 1,8 тыс.7 месяцев назад
Let’s explore the capabilities of Affinity Photo 2 for editing infrared photography. We'll dive into white balance options, color swap features, and the software's compatibility with infrared editing. We'll also look at the iPad version of the software and its potential as a mobile editing tool. 0:00 Intro 2:04 White Balance 4:13 Color Swap 4:31 Channel Mixer 6:31 Invert 7:14 Hue-shift 9:10 LUT...
DxO PhotoLab 7 for Infrared Photography
Просмотров 2,2 тыс.7 месяцев назад
In this video, I'll explore DxO PhotoLab 7 for infrared photography and the key features for IR editing, including white balance capabilities, color swap options, and contrast adjustments. I compare the Essential and Elite editions of DxO PhotoLab and discuss the additional plugins and collections offered by DxO. If you are interested in infrared photography, here are my insights to help you de...
ON1 Photo RAW Infrared Presets Update
Просмотров 1,1 тыс.8 месяцев назад
Update to my Infrared Presets for ON1 Photo RAW, adding three new color swap methods and expanding the range of AI local contrast options. Software used: ON1 Photo RAW MAX 2024 v18.0.3 ON1 Photo RAW Infrared Presets 590.red/on1ip ON1 Photo Raw - Get 20% off with code ROBSHEA20 590.red/on1 Infrared Book: www.infraredbook.com Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap Infrar...
Capture One Pro for Infrared Photography
Просмотров 1,1 тыс.8 месяцев назад
Editing an infrared image with Capture One Pro. This video looks at the excellent white balance feature in Capture One but addresses the limited color swapping options, as well as the limited mobile options. 0:00 Intro 0:30 White Balance 1:37 Exposure, HDR, Clarity 2:34 Color swap 5:13 Save Custom Style 6:56 Mobile and bad news 7:33 Summary Software used: Capture One Pro 16.3.2 (desktop), Captu...
ON1 Photo RAW 2024 for Infrared Photography
Просмотров 2,1 тыс.8 месяцев назад
Using ON1 Photo RAW 2024 to edit color and monochrome infrared photography with white balance, color swaps, and infrared presets. 0:00 intro 0:49 white balance 2:39 tone 3:54 channel mixer 5:40 curves invert 6:40 LUTs 7:44 Infrared Presets 11:14 full edit 13:38 summary ON1 Photo RAW Infrared Presets 590.red/on1ip ON1 Photo Raw - Get 20% off with code ROBSHEA20 590.red/on1 Color Infrared LUTs 59...
NEW Point Color in Lightroom, Lightroom Classic, and Camera Raw
Просмотров 5 тыс.10 месяцев назад
NEW Point Color in Lightroom, Lightroom Classic, and Camera Raw
Is Photoshop on iPad ready for Infrared Photography?
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Is Photoshop on iPad ready for Infrared Photography?
Photomator for Infrared Photography
Просмотров 1,5 тыс.11 месяцев назад
Photomator for Infrared Photography
FULL EDIT 850nm Infrared Monochrome in Lightroom Classic
Просмотров 5 тыс.11 месяцев назад
FULL EDIT 850nm Infrared Monochrome in Lightroom Classic
Minolta Rokkor-X 45mm f/2 for Infrared Photography
Просмотров 2,3 тыс.Год назад
Minolta Rokkor-X 45mm f/2 for Infrared Photography
Can Canon Digital Photo Professional edit Infrared images?
Просмотров 1,7 тыс.Год назад
Can Canon Digital Photo Professional edit Infrared images?
darktable modern White Balance for Infrared Photography
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darktable modern White Balance for Infrared Photography
Adding Contrast to Infrared Images in darktable
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Adding Contrast to Infrared Images in darktable
darktable Infrared Color Swap Presets
Просмотров 1,5 тыс.Год назад
darktable Infrared Color Swap Presets
How to Color Swap Infrared Images in darktable
Просмотров 1,9 тыс.Год назад
How to Color Swap Infrared Images in darktable
How to White Balance Infrared Images in darktable
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How to White Balance Infrared Images in darktable
Excellent work thank you
Could I covert an x100f? Any idea how much that would cost?
You can convert an X100F. The cost is around 250-300 USD. Since this is a fixed lens camera, you will not be able to change lenses to deal with hot spots. However, the hot spots produced by these lenses are relatively mild and correctable. I converted an X70 which produces mild hot posts. I've created two radial filters in LRC to fix, added them to a preset, and then apply that preset when importing images. You can get more examples here: 127.0.0.1:4001/infrared-lenses-fujifilm-x/#compact-cameras-with-prime-lenses
Is there a benefit to using a drop in or flange filter over the one on the end of the lens with respect to reflections or flare? I would think having the filter closer to the sensor would possibly reduce those negative effects.. but not sure…
There might be a slight benefit, but only over using circular filters with multiple step-up rings that move the filter away from the front of the lens. I have seen artifacts when using many step-up rings. However, I've not seen any issues when using a circular filter directly on the lens.
The Channel Mixer is hidden by default. To make it and some others eg B&W conversion you need to select it in Customise Adjustments - accessed by the menu button next to the reset adjustments. Excellent review Rob.
Best IR tutorial on RUclips, thanks for the tips and hints and real time information. I was going to buy an IR converted camera. I think this is a better non destructive way to go about it. I own too many cameras already. Thanks again
Good info. much appreciated. Can't wait to try IR photography with my Canon FD lens. Im geeking over here....lol
Love the vintage lenses: ruclips.net/video/BA_IzuiHN5Y/видео.html
Hi Rob. When I first loaded the colour swap profiles I was finding when white balancing, the white balance was invariably right on the 2000K end with the pic still looking a touch cool, so not getting enough adjustment (albeit fairly close). I've found that if I create the profile within CameraRaw and at this point set it include the camera profile under the various 'Current image settings to include' options (having loaded the -50 or -100 version as apt under the adjustment settings before creating the profile), and of course setting the desired .cube file at the bottom of the create profile options. Then obviously create the rest of profiles from the apt camera profile/.cube file combos. This seems to give the right end result i.e. RAW files that white balance with adjustment to spare, but is this the correct way to create the colour swap profiles? Just want to be sure I'm not missing something!
It sounds like you've got it right. Here are the complete instructions. 590.red/xmp
@@robshea Ah great, proof that trial error can triumph over ignorance (just takes longer!). Is the colour space setting critical, I left that at the default sRGB? Many thanks!
@@RichardLukey 😆I would recommend Adobe RGB or ProPhoto RGB. The larger color spaces will allow for better colors with the swap.
Hello Rob, thank you for the great intro video. using one program suits my workflow.
Very interesting Rob ! And a big thx to not limiting you to expensive Adobe SW :). Luminar seems to be good too for infrared. I will try this !
You can see all of the raw editor options here: 590.red/raw
@@robshea thx
Im doing a nikon d780 its cheap and still a good camera.
You inspired me to get my a7 III converted! Thank you Rob for so much solid information.
Hum I think it s better to convert a more low end camera or an old dslr… except if you also have in your bag an A74 and an A7r5 :)))
@@philmtx3fr Hello, I do have an A74 for regular shooting. I had an older Canon 7D I was going to convert, but I wanted to go mirrorless for all of its advantages. 👍🏼
@@dallasroberts3206 in this case I may understand :). But converting a camera is a potential risky task so I prefer to do it on camera under 400$.
Thank you so much, Rob. As a Luminar Neo user I find your reeview and tips extremely useful. Though this editor is not great for infrared photography, I think it is great to get started. Your luts seem like a good option. Once again, thank you.
Thanks fo rhtis!
Thanks, very helpful. Have you ever tried working with Radiant Photo and IR? I use it with my non-IR photos for creating a good basis for further edits. But I've been unsuccessful using it for IR photos. Normally I have to do the channel swap in On1 first. I love Neo for certain tasks, but it it lack too many basic functions and often make changes that is our of our control.
Not yet! I will take a look at it.
thats cool, works great with my new "old" @5000 IR. thank you
Hello Mr. Shea, I had some help in selecting the camera profile to use in LR. However, making or using LUTS might be a bit much for me at this stage. What would I be missing if I didn't use LUTS and just went into PS and made the color swaps instead? What per cent of possibilities would I be sacrificing? Thank you.
You have a variety of options, which will all produce similar results, but with different levels of effort in your workflow. - You can purchase the Lightroom Infrared Color Swap Profiles and you won't need to create the profiles. This allows you to stay in Lightroom. 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap - You can use the Photoshop Action for Infrared. They require a trip to PS, but save time once you are there. 590.red/infrared-actions3 - You can create your own color swaps in PS using adjustment layers.
Hi, is it possible to get this effect straghit out of the camera? Only with white balance?
Most cameras do not support the white balance range to get this straight out of camera with infrared high-pass filters. The raw file they create does have the needed range, but requires a raw editor to get it.
I am really at a loss, I have tried to install both your pre-created profiles, AND one that I made myself with the DNG Color ProfileEditor. Neither Lightroom Classic OR Lightroom show any profiles beyond the default Adobe ones. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have tripple-checked that they're saved in the correct location on my Mac. Thanks.
- Ensure that you are viewing a raw or DNG file. - Ensure you have selected an image shot with the same model camera as the profile. Profiles are unique to each camera model. Even a “Mark II” camera is considered a different model camera. - Ensure that you have closed and restarted Lightroom. New profiles are only loaded when the program is started.
@@robshea I created mine based off of a photo from my camera that I took myself, so should be “same camera” I would assume. I not only closed Lightroom, I rebooted my Mac. I’ll explore some more tomorrow
Great video 👍🏼
The title of your video is a bit of a lie isn't it? Take my Nikon F2 or Canon FTb, your video just dose not cover this type of camera!
Stop crying we all know what he is talking about, get out of the dark ages and get a digital camera.
@@nick-dm3if I am not crying I'm just pointing out the lie in the title of this video...oh I have a Sony digital so screw you.
Bit of a weird question & apologies if it's been asked before...When I open the DNG file for my 720nm IR photo straight out of Photoshop and perform the Red/Blue channel swap, the foliage will appear a light orange color. However if I first open the image in Lightroom then bring it over to Photoshop to perform the channel swap, the foliage is a light pink. Any particular reason for this?
It will depend on whether you set a white balance before making the color swap. In CR, you should be setting a white balance before, opening in PS. When moving from LR to PS, the image is converted to a PSD or TIFF and no longer has the raw controls for white balance, so you should also set a white balance first.
@@robshea Thank you so much!
I have been using these apps for years and still learned a couple of tricks from this simple intro 😮
I use your profiles which are worth every penny, but I loved looking behind the scenes and seeing how to tweak my white balance further. Thank you!
Good info, well done. Thanks!!!!!
What have been your experience using 120 GPS 4k IR photography more importantly Photography aimed at the sky for periods of time. How many UAPS did or have you captured?
To answer my own question with the specs required, less than 8 minutes (above the Bug line on a very chilly day) recorded after plugged in to editing, dozens of UAPs flying EVERYWHERE
Thank you for covering this topic! I just started IR photography, using an original fujifilm xf 35mm f/1.4 and the hot spot is bothering me.
Hum sorry but I didn’t find this video so interesting… some obvious things are delevered in the first part : « better to stay in the same system », « you need to transform a camera tha you lik use to use, and for the brand part , for Nikon you propose to convert very low end camera of very high end mirror less…. I suspect you can have far better bargain in transforming old dslr (less than 10years old) taken on second hand market… so a little disappointed when I think’to all the other videos yoû did on that infrared top
This made no sense
@@nick-dm3if sorry I wanted to say : « very low end camera OR very high end mirror less… » perhaps better like this :).
I wish it could change the size of some of the dialouge boxes. The histogram box is hard work on a 4K monitor. I like to increase the size to create less eye strain. Dragging over the names of things, i.e., CONTRAST, instead of tying to hit the tiny buttons would also be another improvement. I can only assume Adobe has a copyright on such things. It's a great program, and I'm glad to be free of the Adobe subscription.
You can vote on new features. Here is an example: forum.dxo.com/t/better-user-interface/20230
Thanks for your tutorial Rob. Do you think that you could have achieve the same end result with a "normal" photograph; ie not an infrared one. Is there anything that the infrared adds to your black and white result? The image seems a bit noisy. Is that because it is an infrared photo? Thanks again.
In an image such as this, the main benefit of infrared will be in the clouds. The sky will be darker and the clouds more defined. In an image with foliage, it would be white. The noise is a result of shooting at ISO 1600. I could have (and should have) used a lower ISO, since I had plenty of shutter speed to spare (1/2500s). Since this was shot, I've also been using enhanced noise reduction to great effect and would do so on an image like this.
Think a 80-b filter would give a similar result at a lower price?
I have a similar Hoya 80A filter, which I'd like to test and compare.
You sound like the narrator from "how it's made" from the discovery channel 10 15 years ago very soothing lol
I love How it's Made, great show! Thanks!
Hi Rob - just purchased your profiles to upgrade on the original ones. Thanks for the discount and your very lucid video.
As much as I appreciate your free starter profiles etc, these looks fantastic!! Considering how much time these can save someone not familiar with creating their own I'd say their quite a bargain. Thanks for you dedication to infrared photography and processing👍👍
Can you add the gh5s?
Added. Thanks!
Hi Rob, love your videos. Thank you! I would love to know if there is an alternative to the adobe DNG Profile Editor as it is out of date and will not work on my newer 2024 iMac. I have scoured the internet and am at a loss. Can you help here?
The Infrared Profile Pack addresses this limitation with infrared profiles for over 400 cameras. 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
would it photos taken on a 590nm conversion be more or less flexible to edit? how about the ultra-contrasts white effect?
For IR filters between 515 and 720nm, the biggest difference is color saturation. Lower numbered filters have more color saturation, higher numbered filters have less. When using the White (preset in ON1, profile in LR), the filter impacts the color saturation in the sky.
are all of the beautiful ir photos you see painted/manipulated in a similar fashion as this? is there no editless, or straight out of camera(ish), solutions?
Here are some straight out of camera solutions. For monochrome images, use a 720nm or higher filter and use a monochrome profile in your camera. For color images, use a full spectrum converted camera with an IR Chrome filter. You can even shoot in JPEG if you set your white balance in camera.
@@robshea thank you so much for your time/reply 🙏🏽 i’m considering buying a 590nm converter e-p5 + i might try to play around w/ the in-cam pre-edits + if the colors don’t cooperate, i might try a 700nm lens-filter + go monochrome
“so LUT me pick one of these” 🙊
Hi Ron, I was wondering how far I can go without converting my camera? Can I assume all images in this video are from converted camera? I am considering converting my Fujifilm X100v. I purchased a Urth 720nm IR to place on Canon R16mm lens. Sending it back because I cannot achieve bright foliage. I’ve tried, many times and profiles in -100 and -50 temp, with terrible results. I coming to the realization that Black and White is all I can get, but still NOT pleased with results. Hoya filters have been ordered. Am I expecting too much from only using an IR filter.
I have seen many people struggle with the first brand of filter you mentioned. With a quality 720nm filter, such as the Hoya R72, you can get excellent results. The colors will be muted and you will need a longer exposure, but you can take great images. Here are some examples of images with an unconverted camera. ruclips.net/video/ej-6iz9fuLE/видео.html
@@robshea Yes, that video was the one I was working with. Anxious to start again with the Hoya filters. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. You are appreciated Ken-
So maybe I can find some help here: I just recently picked up IR Photography with my dads old LUMIX camera. I am trying to edit just like it's told in the video, but AF seems to not identify the blue sky on the RAW images I try to work on. I am using an old Panasonic Lumix DMC-G5, with the 720 filter by Hoya.
You could turn up the ISO to focus and then turn back down for the shot. You could try manual focus. If your camera supports it, I recommend peak focusing with the peak color set to blue. This makes manual focus a breeze.
@@robshea Thank you very much, that helped me out quite a lot. I am trying to get deeper into the topic, but feel like I already reached the limitations of my old Lumix. Theres quite some pixelation happening. Highly appreciated!
My custom profiles were sent to me super fast and I love the different looks they give me as a starting point, without needing PS. Thanks Rob, super happy with these additional resources
Thank you !
I have the GFX100ii with the Kolari IR chrome 82mm lens. any photos I take look nothing like any of this, they are all just a gross blue hue. everything MUST be edited so not sure why your saying "in camera".
The IR Chrome filter requires a full spectrum converted camera. If all you are seeing is blue, it could be that you are using this filter on an unconverted camera.
Lmfao are you using this on a non-IR converted camera?
Yea because I had no idea that YOU needed a modded camera 🤷
😂😂@@SDA-Sound
laugh it up lol. There’s shockingly little information about “conversion” in the sale of 90% of products sold for converted cameras 🤷 but you’ve probably never made a mistake like that in your life huh 🥱
This is not working at all for me, I used a Kolari IR filter, so everything started out blue for me and when I selected the first step (picking white) everything changed to looking fairly normal.
Which filter are you using? Is the camera converted or unconverted?
As mentioned above the Kolari IR Chrome filter. Aparently your supposed to set the white balance in camera to see the affect vs post editing but no clue how to do that and there is very little information online that can help walk someone through it step by step.
@@SDA-Sound Kolari sells many filters. For IR Chrome, if you are shooting JPEG, you must set a WB in-camera with the filter on in the lighting conditions you will be shooting. If you are shooting in raw, setting the WB in-camera gives you a good preview of your image but is not required, since you can always set a good WB while editing.
Simply wonderful! Thank you!
Thank you for the presets, very helpful establishing a new IR workflow
What about ccd vs cmos?
One of the key differences between CCD and CMOS is how they handle noise in low light. Since most infrared is shot in direct sunlight, noise is not usually much of a factor. They should be similar under these conditions.
For the first time I can see an actual use for Profiles in Lightroom and I would pay for such a feature. Any chance you may have them compatible with Panasonic G1 (it's the only IR camera I have at the moment)
Yes, profiles are supported by the G1.
Delivery was very quick. Thank you. I received my updated profiles and have started to test them out. My initial response is "Wow!" The flexibility is terrific. Keep up the good work!
Hi Rob, I am hoping that you'll get to see this message even though this is an over 4 year old video. It appears that Adobe DNG Profile Editor no longer works on the latest OS on MAC-OSX. I was reading that they want us to use Adobe Profiles SDK instead. I have been having difficulty understanding what they are telling us to do. Have you had any success in using the SDK? I was looking through your videos to see if you've updated anything because of it, but haven't noticed anything. Thanks for everything you do to forward the IR world. Regards Colin.
I’ve created a free collection of dcp profiles for hundreds of cameras so that you do not need to use the DNG Profile Editor to set a good white balance. You can get details at 590.red/infrared-profile-pack I have used the SDK for color swapping. You can get more details here 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap
@@robshea Thanks Rob. I've noticed that now. It is installed for my Pen-F, but didn't seem to behave the same on the iPad as it did on my MacBook Pro. I'll have to experiment a little more with that. Somewhere I built my own profile, but I can't seem to find it since changing computers.