Видео

If you use the Normal inputs, it is more like a Marshall style tone. I used the Bass input for the demo and why it sounds heavy.

@@HAL2001 Cool,I'am trying to resist buying a vintage 100 watt Supergroup,and if this is a little more versatile I think I will get one.Thanks for the info.

@@matthewbaade-whittendale7292 Have 112's with Goodmans, Celestion G12H Heritage and G12H Anniversary for different eras of Tony's sound.

@@HollisAudioLabs how do you find the Goodmans compare to the Anniversary model? I have anniversary in my Iommi 4x12 cabs and I’ve always thought they sounded very close

@@matthewbaade-whittendale7292 best comparison is to listen to the first album and compare it to the 1997 reunion sound. That is the difference.

@@HollisAudioLabs I’ve always been under the impression his early cabs would have had Celestion in them

@@matthewbaade-whittendale7292 no. The early cabs from Laney had small green label Goodmans 12".

The two 4 ohm cabinets are wired in series to get 8 ohms for the LA-STUDIO amp to drive.

@@ACE-hv5sw you can order them from JayDee Custom Guitars in the UK.

@@HollisAudioLabs thanks. I’ve tried emailing and calling to order a set but haven’t heard back. Keep the Sabbath alive!

Yes, very easy upgrade for the original owners to do. The full production system will have the ADSP21569 dspBlok installed. This also applies to the 4 AKM DAC boards that can be upgraded from the AK4493S to AK4499EX version.

I had several friends say it was dead on that amp in a box.. got sold 2018

I kno you or ben.. may kno.

Some one swapped out the p90s... for gibson 1984/85 dirty fingers humbuckers..in the 80's

Still has original pots..

Could not find a s/n, but Gibson found it as a '64 SG Special. Glad the channel has helped. The pickups are John Birch reworked P90 and Suoerflux pickups. JayDee Custom Guitars make original style JB pickups.

Next I want a goodman 12in. Speaker silver back...67ish

The first pedal was the treble booster, then turned off. The second pedal was the EQD Life Metal pedal with both the boost and Rat sides that are separate switches. The third pedal is a SUNN-T preamp pedal that emulates the SUNN Model T preamp to drive the Laney LA-Studio amp.

No modulation in the pedal. It is just the distortion sputtering. It is turned up pretty high.

They are eBay 1x12's. The original Laney cabs were deeper than the Marshall cabs I have. A bit more internal volume for mids and lows with these like the original cabs.

No, this is the JayDee Custom Guitars Old Boy pickup set. It is the JD dual rail pickup in the bridge position.

Ah i see. Thanks. Did moritz build you the guitar and source the pickups from jaydee guitars or did you send them an sg you already had for them to mod? Im trying to piece together info from what you said in this and other vids. Love the sound on this vid

@@JeanPauldeBoissezon-ug4br Moritz Guitars built the Monkey SG. I purchased the pickups from JayDee Custom Guitars in the UK. I sent them to Moritz Guitars as the original version of this guitar that he built for Tony is used in some of the 13 recordings and the CSI video were the JD Old Boy style pickup set.

Yes, you are correct. The stock Gibson P90 is first. Modified the comments. Thanks!

I set them all to 4.5VDC on the FET drains.

The Laney MiniSGST is a bit overloaded with that much low end.

In the original amps the pedal is based upon, for the Laney Supergroup MKI, the C2=C5=250pf and for the SUNN Model T C2=C5=270pF, not 220pF. The PI cap for the Supergroup MKI C13=47pf and for the Model T C13=270pf. Also for the Supergroup MKI mode both channels would have C3/R6 installed. As is. the gain of the Treble channel does not match the Bass channel. This is based off my Laney Supergroup MKI I have and repaired and an original SUNN Model T schematic. These may have been decisions of the pedal designer, but not per the original designs.

One more is that for the original SUNN Model T, the input stage shares one R3/C6 at the cathodes (FET sources). This modulates the input when both sides are used together as they share the output current into the R-C bias network and bypass cap.

Thanks @doctornerve! Means alot! :)

I do not have a Laney TI100 amp. I have an original Laney LA100BL with the LA412LEAD100 cab now and a LC50 combo amp head. The old Laney sound.

The 66 SG Special P90's are very similar to the original '64 SG Special sound. Think first Black Sabbath LP. The Monkey SG copy has JayDee Custom Guitars Old Boy v4 pickups installed. These are the same as used in the CSI video of End Of The Beginning. Much higher gain than the original P90's and humbucker style, so less noise pickup. I have no idea of what Gibson put into the Monkey copies in the P90's. They are not the original John Birch size 6 pole and 9 pole pickups in Monkey and a different size. I have a JayDee Custom Guitars SG Special with the original 6 pole style pickups installed and sounds like the original. Not as much output as the Old Boy pickups.

Yes, they are stock 1966 Gibson P90's.

@HollisAudioLabs thanks for the reply. they sound great as does that speaker. Link doesnt work but i will look into it more on my own. I wonder if you know.. did gibson change their stock p90s between 64 and 66? Have you played both? Or did they stay the same? Been trying to research with no answers. Thanks great vid

The Beta 402 is 33in x 25in. They only sound thin if you are running to much treble. Adding the Beta 205 gives it a very well defined bottom for down tuning. The SUNN Fender Era model 412 cab maybe better, but more expensive and not really what I wanted.

I have a John Birch J1 with a JB Biflux neck and JB Magnum bridge pickups. It is very bright in comparison to the Mahogany SG. It weighs a ton! I know Tony's J1 had his interchangable pickup system, so never seen the pickups in use, but the John Birch SG had the Magnum X bridge I have on my Epiphone SG Goth. Have seen both a JB Magnum and Hyperflux in the bridge position of the JB SG. Lots of changes over the years. I have a more modern JBL K120 in a Laney 1x12 that is from the '70s, where the D120F was late '60s and Fender favorites. There is a video of it on the channel.

@@HollisAudioLabs Wow - I woiuld love to try an original J-1. I am convinced the J-1 was the guitar used to record Sabotage while the more famous JB SG was being finalized. There is a great Sabbath gig in 1975 in San Antonio where Iommi used the J-1 on the Children of the Grave encore. The sound is really loud and bright compared to the rest of the set. Totally different to the Monkey. It's interesting to hear. There is even supporting visual evidence of Iommi using that guitar on that date. A Google search brings it up eventually. I know a Fender Twin was used on the SBS album and that probably also had the JBL's in it. John "Dawk" Stillwell (r.i.p) confirmed on his old website that the Laney cabs he inspected in Sabbath's lockup in 1979 had orange frame D120F's. Everything mid '75 to 1978 had a very bright, focused tone. Keep up the great work, Richard!

@@HollisAudioLabs I like those pickups. For Iommi inspired tones I have a JayDee single coil based on the Monkey pickup in a '68 SG Special with a Leo Quan bridge. Also, a JayDee double coil humbucker based on the Birch maple cross guitar in a black 2022 SG Special with a Schaller fine tuner bridge. The new Gibson's are built fine but the wood isn't quite right. It's not dried out fully. For that sound I'll go Into a '73 Klipp with matching 4x12 Laney cab with a quad of Goodmans or JBL D-120f's or even T1976's. I have the early Sabbath tone on deck. The Laney is critical for that

@@phildemetro When I have another demo day at our local theater in MD, I will bring the JB J1 guitar as I had a request. I will see if I can locate a Fender Twin with JBL D120F's speakers as others have asked about the SBS sound. Have seen a picture of Tony in a studio with two 1x12's loaded with what could be either JBL D120F or Goodmans 12-PG speakers as they have the 4in metal dust cap. Could not see the cone well enough to see if it is smooth or ribbed. Probably the D120F's with the SBS info.

@@HollisAudioLabs SBS - the song itself - is too bright to be a Laney amp. A National Acrobat by comparison has that Laney sound.

Once I get my basement back after water damage, it is the plan. Until then not going to happen.

Between the hoarding and the blaring doom metal riffs, this guy's neighbors must truly love him. American hero in the flesh.

Larry, glad the little DIY pedal inspired you to go back to some down tuning! It was great to get The Rex Theater and really setup a full Laney rig full tilt and let it do it's magic with UK power! It is addictive! Nick's video on doctornerve channel captures the magic of a few moments! :)

Something is weird in the recording. Only on 4 on the amp master. Might be time to get louder.

The Goodmans Silver Label 20W is probably from the Beatles VOX amps. The Goodmans small green label 25W 15 Ohm speakers are the early Tony sound. The Goodmans small red label 12P 50W 15 Ohm speakers are the next closest.

Also the Goodmans small green label 25 watt 15 Ohm speakers for Tony's tone have 2016 cone numbers printed on them in white. They date from '69-'71 for production.

@@HAL2001 I believe in this day and age, even most budget guitars are a 100 times better than when i started playing back in the 90s. As for setup, even the Epiphones I have bought always needed setup. Its a great deal for a P90 equipped guitar, even though most budget P90s are fairly weak. You can upgrade them if needed. I will look into these Fireflies and see if i can try one out.

@@AstralToneworx Love the FireFly guitars that I have here. A bit of cleanup and they play well.

LOL!

Correct. Cleanish amp to try the pedal with the different pickups.

Thanks!

Because I like the amp.

Larry, It is really not that loud. I kept it low to make sure the speaker was in good shape. It sounds huge due to the frequency range. I need to try it with my bass to see what it will do, but need to cover the old tweeter hole first to get the rear port working correctly. Have a replacement tweeter coming. There are a few good places that repair old speakers if you want to keep it close to original depending on the 15in speaker mfg. Orange County Speakers is on the west coast as a possible repair place. There are a few on the east coast, but shipping would be high.