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Your best and cheapest bet is GVM upgrade. Your rear axle load will exceed your max in oem rear axle limit too. Cheapest option is the GVM upgrade. Go Lovells! Then keep vehicle twice as long as you normally do. You don't need GCM upgrade. I myself have a Lovells GVM/GCM upgraded Dmax with payload increased to 1774kg ie up 550kg from oem payload because of GVM upgrade of oem payload of 1224kg but weight of tray (oem alloy) plus bullbar, towbar, winch weights come off that to plus usual items and 2 passenger's weight for fully equipped toured. Utes are popular tugs for a reason ie payload capacity.

No one ever talks about manufacturers Axel load limits. BUT I’m sure your insurance company knows them ?

Go for a Lovells 4000kg GVM upgrade, $4900 all up inc engineering, Or $5850 with Black Hawk upper control arms fitted.. I just purchased a 2014 VX that had a 3580 kg GVM pre rego, with all the accessories the previous owner fitted it weighs 3320kg with full fuel 273L and no passengers.. Thats why i have opted for a Lovells 4000 kg GVM / GCM to 7500Kg. I think i will have about 250 kg in reserve with the missus and gear in the back with the van hitched up 190 tbw. Axle ratings are 1900 Front and 2100 rear, mine is 1660 kg both ends at the moment.

This video is a wake up call to all those LC200 drivers who think they can load them up to the hilt and tow whatever they want.

are you doing any traveling or moer videos ?

Couldn’t agree more Ted! Just buy a new car with a higher GVM. Toyota is out here trying to rip us off. Couldn’t believe the tow ball weight is included. Just not right 😡

How is the urban going?

Good on you for your honesty should be more of it. Somethings i just don't get why have a bull bar especially towing a caravan mostly at a lower speeds you must be going to be doing a lot of towing at night, dusk and dawn? You have a big heavy roof rack with nothing on it, surely not just to mount a blind on your vehicle. You have a bike rack on the back of the van but no bikes on it thats weird. Why do you need big tool boxes on the draw bar surely you can store that stuff in the van down low somewhere over the wheels thus reducing the weight on the tow ball. Only drive with one water tank full, fill the other two at the caravan park.

make sure you get a Lovells like upgrade with yout new Tojo otherwise you will be in the same boat

Go to a 70 series and you get over 1 tonne payload and over 6.5 tonnes GCM in any form. 70 series gxl waggon 2300 kerb 3510 gvm 6560 gcm . The problem with the 200 series and all the generations prior, is it is a soft arse passenger car and is far from the towing platform people believe it to be. put 4 fat adults and their lugage in a factory standard 200 series and it is over weight. . or buy a truck, like an isuzu or oveco

Good to see someone doing a video that could save lives and expose a modern-day scam. There is so many myths about towing and so many sheep going by the myths they had heard around the campfire. Self-education of all the number of road rules Acts and understanding the meaning of the abbreviations that are written in. Due to emission control standards some manufactures only give a GVM rating and not a GCM rating, this can be found on the vin sticker or plate. I have a customer who had a 200 Landcruiser with so many issues when towing his caravan, the cruise control would not stay on, it was wondering all over the road and very hard to keep straight on the open road and the lack of power going over hills. After a new set of tyers on van and cruiser, new suspension and GVM upgrade still had all these problems. The GVM of the Cruiser and van was 6.9T. After pointing out the cruiser had on GCM rating and all the rules around towing trailers and one rule this not well known, In the ADR, no more than 30% of the tow vehicles weight can be taken off the steer tyers. My customer went out upgraded his license and brought a Silverado 2500 king cab and 12 ply trailer tyers for the caravan. He told me after the first trip out with the new setup was the best holiday, he had in a long time. No stress, no fighting to say on the road.

Get a Ram

Hino truck

Gvm upgrade for the lc.

Now i know why freight companies are being delayed.

isuzu truck is your answer

Thanks for sharing what is obviously not a pleasant experience. To me it raises the big question about liability and insurance if one were in the unfortunate circumstance of having to make a claim. Scary to think about but a reality all the same.

This is a perfect example of why you can't and shouldn't tow 3t caravans with these types of vehicles. The caravan industry and its regulatory is a joke! No way should it be legal to tow such large caravans in Australia, with such light vehicles. It makes me cringe every time I see these big vans hooked up to such small tow vehicles. My rule of thumb for safe towing is, the tow vehicle must weigh at least 500kgs more than what's being towed. So with this vehicle, a smaller/lighter caravan, no more than 2.7t fully loaded. The caravan industry shouldn't be allowed to operate the way they do, the regulatories make it over complicated for most punters out there and the caravan manufacturers use this to their advantage to sell the wrong vans at the expense of safety of their customers. Less is best, people.

I tow a 3.2 tonne boat with an LC200 4.7 petrol. I know I’ll weigh within the GCM but GVM, who knows. I suppose I need to get weighed.

Welcome to car manufacturer bullshittery. The sales brochures being not quite outright deception, but certainly misleading. Slowly the public are educating themselves. Sadly 90% of 4wders and towers are completely ignorant or naive, still travelling overweight, still contributing to the inevitable highway accident (waiting) to happen.

You have done well, most units like yours would be over weight.The problem is the tow vehicle, a landcruiser should be the best. Basically you need a heavy duty truck to row your caravan.

It's amazing the "straw grasping" by people on this video, rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic in a vain attempt to legitimise their overloading basic legal, engineering and physics principles. And these same people are driving on the road with me. I just hope you miss me.

Unimog?

5% down pressure still gives manageable handling. move the wood to the ass end of the caravan and trim it out.

What a JERK you are. You are thinking with your wallet, which sounds like it is very full, and not with your head. Just get a GVM stage 2 upgrade with roughly a 920kg upgrade and your'e sweet. Even though you buy a 4wd with a towing capacity of 3.5 tonne, it is only if you leave it as stock. Even a Ram will need a GVM & GCM upgrade. Try to think clearly.

Take the tool boxes off and put the gear in the van ( or do without). All of the tool box weight is directly on your tow bar, move the weight back. Most people take way too much stuff the can really do without.

Yes. GVM upgrade is possible but you still need to consider front and rear axle weights. We have had the GVM upgrade to 3800 kg and while this addressed the GVM of car, we still exceeded the allowed rear axle weight of 2000 kgs by 140 kgs, if not using a WDH. We now use a WDH to address this issue.

I like your honesty. Most LC 200 owners that I know shrug their shoulders , don't do a weight check and say " I am an experienced driver, it's a Land Cruiser and She'll be right mate " " now where did I put the 12ft tinnie for the roof rack ? Looks like a Ram 2500 is on the horizon. Or as John Cadogan said . Sell the rig and spend the money on five star hotels for a few years.

Scared me as I was towing a 2300kg hire van with my dual cab BT50. Thank you for your time and money.

Hi there! We’ve just found your channel as we are planning our own Urban caravan adventures 🙂 We’d love to see a full van tour- of the outside and inside. Would really appreciate it. Happy travels!

We have a 21 ft Tuff with the larger toolbox and extra solar on order and have just purchased the 300 L C and still to have the bullbar roof rack and tow ball has to be fitted. We are very new to these weights and all that goes with it. We have to be legal for both our safety and others on the road. my husband has been to ARC, Pedders and has spoken to countless people. We need guidance as to how we go about this mammoth task. Appreciate any advice. TIA

doesn't mater its weight its longer taller wider ok physics basic physics buy a light truck ppl

We tow a 3.2ton van and we got a GVM 3850 upgrade to our 2019 Sahara. Our numbers come in well under specs now although we only have a ARB bar and a single draw in the back to stop stuff rolling about. We also have airbags in the rear which we pump up when towing. I know I lost some ride quality after the GVM upgrade but safety and being legal comes before ride quality. Upon saying that, it is still comfortable especially on long trips.

Excellent video and well done for posting. It's not just the fact that a huge number of combinations on the road are overweight (I personally think it's a majority, looking at what gets around the campgrounds and parks), but, as some of the discussions in your comments suggest, people simply look to get within the legal limits. They then go and tow these rigs around the country, even off road! Safety would surely suggest you limit yourself to WELL below the legal maximum. It doesn't take much to push it over the edge in a dynamic situation (overtaking, braking hard, wet conditions, emergency swerving etc). Thanks for posting. Good luck with your next choice(s)!

GVM upgrade not that Expensive my hilux for 600 kg springs & shockers $1800 ARB. Took it from 3100 kg to 3500 kgs

Why buy a new vehicle. Get a GVM upgrade easy. I have a GX Cruiser and got a Pedders GVM upgrade drive in drive out they did it all problem solved.

Sad to say I have the same issue and I'm not towing a van. I have only fitted the TJM bar to the vehicle and when weighed i have 67kg available (no people in the car for this weight check) for the front axle not to be over the 1700kg allowed. I wasn't aware that when you buy a 200 series you cant add anything to it to be able to drive the car. How did Toyota think they could build this and be ok with what they delivered. Currently awaiting Toyota to give me a please explain as the supplied and fitted the bar before i purchased it.

John Cadogan has a lot of good videos on heavy towing. I agree that buying a new vehicle more suited to the task you have set it is the safest option. The raw numbers tell you that a Landcruiser is really only suited to towing a maximum weight of about 2500 kg. I would not bother putting all those accessories on to your next vehicle as the really don’t add any practical benefit. A bullbar detracts from the safety Toyota engineered into the vehicle. The very heavy Rhino roof rack is absurd as it chews up a large amount of your gvm and reduces dynamic stability by raising your centre of gravity. The WDH risks damage to your caravan and vehicles chassis. The recovery points are heavy and unnecessary in my view. Essentially what all of us should do is sit down and do the maths before we buy our van and car. It is sensible to buy the product that meets ourwants right from the off. So in your situation, with your heavy van, you may need to consider a truck, such as an Iveco Daily or a Mitsubishi Canter. John Cadogan also has a good video on why GVM upgrades are a waste of time and money.

Just grab a GVM upgrade. Cheaper than swapping the car. Other advantages too. If you got 100,000kms out of the factory gear, it'll be tired and due for service/replacement of sorts soon enough, perfect time to do it. We did our LC1500 Prado just over 100,000kms too. Was a great upgrade, felt amazing and legal with the weight we ended up with (hence why we upgraded )

Good video, highlighting a very common problem. We have a 2016 Landcruiser and tow a Zone 20.6 RV, we had to have a GVM upgrade to make for legal, safe travel and also keep our insurance cover. The Cruiser was lifted due to the GVM upgrade, which led to me having to install power steps to keep the Co-pilot happy. With all the other mods we have fitted for comfortable touring, we have spent a considerable amount of money. We previously changed our car every 3 years, now we have decided to keep this one for at least 10 years plus, once fitted out properly, they are a great tow tug and if properly maintained should go for 300K +. Life is full of compromises, this is one where you may have to rethink your vehicle change over policy as we did.

A RAM wouldn't get you where the Cruiser will. Weight? Leave the Mrs home.

Just put the mrs and all your gear in the van 😂. Just kidding.

The car certainly didn't look loaded up.

So correct me if I' wrong, but in this instance a Ford Ranger with a 1000kg payload would be legal in this instance. Even though the 200 series would be a much better tow vehicle.

Don't get the RAM. Think of the fuel bill. GVM upgrade is the solution. Lovells and Dobinsons do good upgrades for the 200

well, if you want help with solutions, put a link to the full report.

Not only do I require a system under the max weight, but I like to have a reasonable amount of buffer. These specs are for highway driving, not off-road. Off-road is much more demanding, and you never know what your getting into a lot of times. I believe you need a 250/2500 class vehicle to tow the trailer you have off-road, other than just flat hard terrain. I've gotten myself in some places (in unfamiliar) terrain, which was well beyond what I expected and was glad to have the extra power/capabilities. Always be over gunned, not under, if you have the choice.

You people have too much money if that is biggest concern.

Can you not just put all your gear from the LC into the van? Maybe the wife too? 😂

Land Rover Tare includes a full tank of fuel and the driver. All vehicles should take this approach. Did you fail the rear axle load? 300kgs on the ball would be over 400KGs on the rear axle.