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Ashblossom call by the haunted nibiru ra's ball lava golem almost any kashtira monster Negate boards don't matter if you tribute their monsters

@@zytha2890 band-aid solution

The double edged sword of generics. Where it gives a leg up to anything that isn't meta. But meta will abuse and use the heck out of it.

Like at least in the case that maxx c was banned, combo decks that are actually unbeatable would be addressed through problem cards on the banlist. And people act like combo decks would be left unchecked but like, everyone could just run 3 nib and hand trap negation for cards that stop it from resolving.

It would not necessarily even be less consistent. Theoretically, a 60 card deck could be just as consistent *if not more* than a 40 card deck.

@@danydady6851 Well that is if you say you use cards like the grass is greener and throw 14 cards into the GY. Then all the GY effect can activate front there I am saying if you just purely draw without searchers. It would be less consistent due to having more cards in the deck which equals a lower chance of drawing a spell card or hand trap that is usually unsearchable

@@pokefanxerneas5800 that's what I'm talking about as well. If you just add more of those unreachable cards you can make the 60 card deck just as consistent as a 40 card deck. No grass is greener required.

You can draw droll or shifter

Maxx c doesn’t keep combo decks in check

@@watcher2624 my fault, what i mean is somehow, not totally being checked

Maxx C is arguably the strongest card ever. And no, it isn't because it draws 20 cards against combo. It's because it will likely draw 2 or more cards against any deck that isn't Spell/Trap centric (Floo doesn't count, they're basically designed around Maxx C). A draw 2 handtrap is completely ridiculous.

Right bann maxx c and you can forget wining going second

If your deck can’t function going second without having 10+ cards in hand, that’s a deck problem and not a going second problem.

@HalozillaEX smh I'm not even going to argue. There is a reason maxx c is here to give decks a fighting chance but I'm done

@@patescortez88 you're not gonna argue because theres nothing to argue about, and you know it. you say it gives decks a fighting chance? well I hate to be the barer of bad news, but it does the same thing for decks that dont need a fighting chance. weaker decks using maxx c doesnt stop the stronger decks from also using it, so it just because a game of who resolves maxx c first.

Maxx C was kinda needed on release to counter Six Samurai that terrorized the OCG, also back then holding combo for 1 turn was a viable option.

@@dudono1744 weird how a TCG exclusive was "Needed" to counter something that was a menace in a format that it wasn't originally printed for or in. No, Maxx "C" was never "Needed" and any further expression of that thought needs to be removed from anyone's opinion, should never have been printed.

@@bchavez149 Well, I guess Konami could just have banned Six Sam.

@@dudono1744 Yep. That's how the game works, Shi-en to 1 and Gateway to 0 worked pretty good over here in TCG. Maxx "C" was never necessary for either format.

@@bchavez149 And they are making a new one

@@bad_noob1221 then they will bring out the argument that Maxx C doesn’t make combo decks weaker, and even make it stronger since the “go first make board then pass turn draw phase Maxx C” play is so so prevalent, like that would be the thing that happens all the time.

@@elainasjournal5734 true which is why i am a big fan of the new maxx c's. Its a neccesary evil but wihtout being able to play it after establishing an own board

​@@bad_noob1221The new ones fix the common complaints about Maxx C. Also they are adorable.

@@dudono1744 yes and i really like the new cards. we need maxx c but second turn maxx c is an insta win

The real question about Gamma is why the other psyframes aren't used. Stopping a Spell seems powerful.

Yeah. It’s a game that was never intended to be played. It was just a villain of the week for Yugi in the manga that was randomly really popular. It is both the problem but also the appeal of the game in comparison to other card games. No other game is like it.

What do u consider to be good design?

@@kevinlee5753 a fun video idea for another day

Bingo.

@@TheFrogOfDestinySo what you’re saying is…Yugioh was a mistake? 😅

…….I don’t have TCG money or time? Masterduel is what got me back into ygo and is why I still play the game. Brain dead take.

​@@TheFrogOfDestinySame here.

​@@TheFrogOfDestinyTouche

This whole issue of the game being a ramp-down system with ridiculous turn 1 wins is why most people I've spoken to have moved from Yugioh to Magic, where it's a ramp-up system. Magic while not perfect, is incredibly balanced compared to Yugioh

@@axon589 yeah I could see that. Personally my favorite decks are gimmicky at best and I don't run negates unless they're built into the archetype. I think the main thing that keeps magic in check is the resource system via lands.

This take is wild. I can’t even be mad at it anymore I just have to respect it. “Maxx C doesn’t resolve enough” is crazy. Also who said a normal game of YGO was always big monster combo? You don’t need a big monster combo to lose to Maxx C. You need to special summon like 3 times. Vanquish soul would still be good in a format without Maxx C as well. Maxx C as it exist now objectively does not encourage deck diversity by ensuring that most decks start with the same 9 cards. On this I cannot steel man your argument. You are just wrong. The “Maxx c doesn’t resolve enough” take could be a fun experiment. There are only a few decks that would be playable in a world without Maxx C counters. In a best case scenario maybe everyone starts playing floo, eldlich, Umi, etc and maybe people stopped putting Maxx C in every deck? It’s an interesting idea. But now we’ve just made most decks in the game unplayable. It doesn’t seem like a good solution.

@@TheFrogOfDestiny “deck diversity” does not means “decks shouldn’t have the same 9 cards”, especially when those are non-engines. Sure you can make the argument that those 9 cards are run in most decks, but what about the other 31+ cards, including engines? “Maxx C doesn’t resolve enough” is one of the points Joshua Schmidt brought up when he talked about Maxx C, it’s not even a wild take. In a world where you can’t have an easy way out when Maxx C is dropped on you, your deck has to be built with plans for that situation. All-gas-no-brakes combo decks as they stand right now just won’t be good enough in that environment.

Just because Josh says something doesn’t mean I can’t think it’s wild. This is the same guys who claims some tier 0 formats are good, something I strongly disagree with. The same cards everyone runs to negate Maxx C ARE the Maxx C backup plan. If you remove those and force decks to find new ones most decks won’t have any and will just die. If there is some generic strategy that allows you to survive Maxx C every deck will just be running those instead causing the same issue of everyone being forced to play the same 9 to 10 cards. Also yes running the same 9 cards does limit deck diversity because of all the decks that can’t even exist due to space issues. The same way there isn’t enough space to reasonably play live twin Runick sprightly in MasterDuel whilst including the Maxx C package. In all of these examples even in the best case scenario the entirety of the game is still being warped around a singular card. Something that I find fundamentally disgusting. All of deck building being warped around 1 card is something myself (and most of the ygo community) find repulsive. If that is the only way Maxx C can exist in this game then it shouldn’t be in the game. If you disagree with this then the two of us will simply never agree. I very much appreciate the different pov though

@@TheFrogOfDestiny Tear format was good, if you were playing tear because the counter play was highly interactive

That’s the illusion of choice though. Regardless of if you pass turn or keep playing against a skilled opponent you’re just losing +90% of the time. Maxx C can also be used by the going 1st player AFTER they’ve already preformed their cancerous turn 1. For every game you will win with it going 2nd you will lose because of it going 1st. I appreciate the different pov fren

The problem is if you perform even 2 summon the opponent is already +1, so for the vast majority of decks even if you try to put up any defense you are likely to give the opponent free resources to instakill you on their turn trough your weaker board

If you look at the meta of OCG (where Maxx C is legal) and TCG (where Maxx C is banned) you'll see that the decks played aren't too different. Maxx C does nothing but warp the entire game around whether it resolves or not. Hell, banning Maxx C sometimes frees up the 3 card spots that would normally be taken by Ash Blossom, because there are better options - that will never fucking happen as long as Maxx C is in the game.

Maxx C is “a problem” not “the problem”. Banning Maxx C wouldn’t magically fix everything wrong with the game. It would just make it much better.

@@TheFrogOfDestiny a game where the 2nd player has less ways to combat the inherent advantage of the 1st player during the least interactive turn of the game is definitely a better game.

But do you understand that the going 1st player also has Maxx C? As an additional way to fuck over the going 2nd player? If we just take the card out of both players decks it doesn’t make things much worse for the going 2nd player because that is one less thing they are worrying about. Nibiru, Imperm, Ash, Kaiju, kurikara, evenly, TY-PHON, Zeus, there are better ways to balance the game for the going 2nd player.

@@elainasjournal5734 You can be maxx c'd going 2nd... Its just adds more variance. Coin toss. Did you Draw maxx c, did They draw maxx C, Did they draw a Maxx C out, Did you draw a maxx c out. It just makes games more sacky to have the illusion of "countering/ closing the 1st/2nd gap". It kills Skill expression, deck building, and cheap wins and losses for both players. How is this healthy?

@@andrewnguyen4801 it may add more variance sure, but kill skill expression and deckbuilding is just wrong. In the TCG where Maxx C is banned, Vanquish Soul was never a thing because it’s a lower ceiling deck that plays fine under Maxx C, meanwhile Unchained, another combo pile, was the best deck. And playing efficiently, using less special summon to make more impactful plays, is the skill expression for playing in a format with Maxx C. The default play when Maxx C is used isn’t “negate it or lose”, if that’s the only option you can think of then you’re just a bad player.

ash ban would make going 2nd turn absolutely impossible tho. Unless you run 50 boardbreaks. But even then its ass

Hello fren. In masterduel Ishizu cards released before Tear and they broke the game all on their own. They were decking people out turn 0 even if you didn’t Maxx C them. That slide seems to have confused some people so I guess that’s my bad. I wasn’t so much complaining about Ishizu cards as I was comparing them to Maxx C’s power level. I also am not a fan of tier 0 formats, but that’s a video for another day! I’m leaning towards not liking the more busted mulcharmy card that got announced. It has the potential to just be a turn skip. In a game with side-boarding I could see people just swapping in the entire Maxx C package and it basically being the same problem of limiting deckbuilding, winning the game on its own, etc.

​@@TheFrogOfDestinythe new mulcharmy card however can only be used by the turn 2 player as it requires you to control no cards, really annoying still but avoids the incredibly shit situation of when someone does full combo then during your turn they get to drop maxx c for free.

Oh it’s definitely a better Maxx C, I just still think many times it will be an auto turn skip if it resolves. Great news for the OCG if Maxx C gets banned because of it. Horrible news for the TCG as they now have Maxx C jr. Since I play masterduel I suppose this should be good news for me but I really feel bad for TCG players

@@TheFrogOfDestiny since maxx c is banned in the tcg if the new one is bad enough i think the TCG will get rid of it quickly.

Brother I remember when xyz cards were new. I was playing Dueling NEWTWORK. Not dueling book, that wasn’t a thing yet, dueling NETWORK.

Trying to neutral here. Maxx C is bad for the game because 1) It literally forces almost everyone to play the cards to counter Maxx C as most meta decks will special summon a lot which equals to shit ton of card advantage 2) Based on logic of banning a card, if a card that can be played on yout turn without any cost to draw two cards is banned. Why a card that can be played on either player's turn that punishes special summoning and draw a card for each special summoning is not banned. Not to mention, special summoning is a huge part of Yu-Gi-Oh. Now we proceed to the other side of the debate Why Maxx C is fine for the game 1) You could just Maxx C challenge the opponent. For those non Master Duel players, Maxx C challenge is when you play Maxx C, you special summon as much as possible to deck out the opponent. In number terms, that would be special summon 35 times to deck out the opponent or make the opponent draw till he has 20 cards in hand and hand destruction to make his deck 0 cards. (Treating that opponent does not have ash blossom in his hand). Btw, some decks are very easy to Maxx challenge. If you say how about Nibiru hand trap, according to my experience in the game, most of the time, it is a one-off card or none. 2) There are deck to screw people up with Maxx C like Trickstar Lycoris. What she does is deal 200 LP burn damage for each card drawn. She can be special summoned by putting another Trickstar card back to the hand. If you got multiple copies, you can activate them simultaneously and summon all of them with just one Trickstar on field. Since her skill makes her special summon, that is one card drawn and that trigger 200LP damage for each copy of Lycoris. You can increase this damage by having cards like Trickstar Lightstage which deal another 200 LP burn when a Trickstar damages the opponent and Dark room of Nightmare which deal 300 LP burn for every burn damage. Math time One Lycoris summon (1 card draw) - 200 LP Trickstar Lightstage - 200 LP Dark room of Nightmare - 300 LP x 2 because Lightstage and Lycoris are separate burn damage That counts up to 1000 LP per card drawn per Lycoris. If you got multiple, that is a FTK. If you can special summon more stuff, that is another way to FTK. Sorry for long ass text. If those who can reach here, congratulations you do not have the attention span of an average Gen Z. (I am a Gen Z myself btw)

its so OP, that it is format changing. And they like the non super wombo combo format in master duell. Like it or hate it but id take maxx c any day over f'ing snake eyes

Main reason it isn't banned in Master Duel is because it is free extra profit for Konami. Many players burn through alot of gems and money in Master Duel just to get the counters for Maxx C and that's why Konami is never banning it lmao.

I don’t know if a world without handtraps is the best idea but it is interesting to see several comments wishing for it. Might be a future video idea. Like, imagine a full meta deck combining off with no handtraps to stop them. I feel like no handtraps would help meta more than it would hurt rogue.

@@TheFrogOfDestiny Removing all handtraps would be horrible at first, but if Konami consistently made archetype support and banned problem cards, I believe eventually it could level out. It would require Konami to slow down on new archetypes and focus on what they already have in the game. When tournament numbers show a widespread of decks being played, and no real certainty about the best deck - that would be an indicator the meta is doing well.

I think that semi generic support (i.e. type specific support) is under used. This allows variety while not needing to make hundreds of cards if Konami chose to give every deck a new "type" of card (i.e. give everyone a card like Havnis). Sure, such an approach might leave a few decks behind because of archetypal gimmicks, but that won't be much and then giving archetypal support is doable.

@@dudono1744 That definitely works too. In the case of Insects and Fish, Konami hasn't made anything game breaking that has helped them in generic support. Unfortunately, the game most players want is far different than the one Konami wants.

@@grayfox6518 But the issue becomes, Konami has to think of every new card, or FTKS or decks like Snake eyes will see occur over and over ,

I find the older formats upsetting for their own reason. Mirror force, snatch steal, but the older formats certainly have a place in my heart

​@@TheFrogOfDestiny pretty much every ygo format ever is going to have issue, blowout cards, sacky cards, pretty much ever meta have 1 or more arctype that is complete ass to fight against and so on, i find that you just need to play those format and evaluate for yourself.

i miss edison

Yeah just ban all the hand traps so we can just flip a coin for who wins first turn.

Banning Ash is a monkey’s paw wish. Trust me fren you don’t want Ash banned.

⁠@@psychanthrope2636hand traps don’t fix the going first problem in the slightest. They only contribute to it. There’s also a plethora of board breakers and other good hand traps that 1 card (Ash Blossom) being gone forever isn’t going to hurt you. Ash Blossom provides too much value for its cost. It’s relevant for every deck and against every deck, is a turn-ending card (similarly to Maxx c) that has severely warped the game and its design philosophy since its inception, invalidates a good portion of engines/cards, and has nearly no counterplay against it given the lack of cards that can interact with effects that activate in the hand I’m 100% sure if Ash Blossom were to get either an errata or a Multchummy-esque card with a weaker effect to replace it, (like simply adding “if you control no cards”), the design of current archetypes would be so much better and healthier so that they’re not built with them in mind

Maxx C: Guys, stop coping and just accept the reality that Konami ain’t banning the roach. I’ve made peace with it. As for other handtraps…considering the state of the game right now. I see them as necessary evils because again Konami has no interest in balancing the game

@@TheFrogOfDestinyidk about you.. but I definitely do want ash banned 😭 half my combos get ruined by it and I don’t even have the card to use myself, people who use ash blossom are like paraplegic monkeys I have to wait on them for 10 minutes to decide whether or not they wanna use ash and when they finally do I just surrender cause I’m so tired of waiting

The Chaos ishizu deck that was running around pre-Tearlaments was also decking people out I believe. It’s unfortunate floo players won’t be able to escape the new mutchummy card coming. I wonder if TCG will ban it

@@TheFrogOfDestiny .Maxx C is banned, and has been banned in the TCG since 2018

Crystron Halq is also banned

Hello fren. The videos is about the masterduel format where Maxx C has been at 3 since the game’s release. Halq being banned doesn’t really impact anything in the presentation

Floo is literally designed to nope Maxx C.

Hello fren 🐸 I have a couple vids on my channel where I play no Maxx counters in Lab. I do it when I run the trap heavy version. Pre-big welcome it didn’t feel as bad but now it hurts. For the furniture build especially I find a well timed Maxx C will still wreck my shit. Can’t summon cooclock to field, can’t summon stove, hurts to summon lord at the end of turn to set a trap from deck, hurts to summon big lady off big welcome, It also makes your rip 2 from hand combo useless if they time it right. I admit Lab can survive better than most tho. You don’t immediately die, but often your opponent still gets pot of greed and sometimes goes +3 even. Every time I’ve taken out the Maxx counters I tilt and put them back in lol