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BonesDT
Добавлен 12 авг 2006
FSC Grimburg barrel and Cymrutec magazines testing
Marker: First Strike FSC
Projectiles: Grimburg JUL version 2
Barrel: Grimburg 5” barrel.
Magazines:
T8.1/T9.1 aluminum 12g 8-round,
Cymrutec 3D printed 12g 7-round, and
Cymrutec 16g 8-round magazines
CO2 Cartridges: Crosman 12g and Red Rock 16g unthreaded (must be unthreaded and must use with FSC valve with black seal. Only 12g carts fit T8.1/T9.1 valves with clear seal)
Marker mods:
Velocity screw turned 95% up.
Factory relief valve setting.
Grimburg Heat Core O-Ring
Factory aluminum mag release (came stock on my FSC)
Double trigger release spring
Left handed safety
Projectiles: Grimburg JUL version 2
Barrel: Grimburg 5” barrel.
Magazines:
T8.1/T9.1 aluminum 12g 8-round,
Cymrutec 3D printed 12g 7-round, and
Cymrutec 16g 8-round magazines
CO2 Cartridges: Crosman 12g and Red Rock 16g unthreaded (must be unthreaded and must use with FSC valve with black seal. Only 12g carts fit T8.1/T9.1 valves with clear seal)
Marker mods:
Velocity screw turned 95% up.
Factory relief valve setting.
Grimburg Heat Core O-Ring
Factory aluminum mag release (came stock on my FSC)
Double trigger release spring
Left handed safety
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Видео
FSC/TCP fixed Dual 12g CO2 adapter - 18 shots of Grimburg JUL all over 200fps
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FSC/TCP fixed Dual 12g CO2 adapter - 18 shots of Grimburg JUL all over 200fps
FSC/TCP 20-gram CO2 and Dual 12-gram CO2 magazines
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I realized after watching this video that the dual CO2 adapter was indeed leaking a lot. I guess I couldn’t hear the sizzling with the earplugs on. I’ll keep working on it.
FSC/TCP left handed safety mod and mag release
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I forgot to mention you can completely remove the safety and the marker works fine. This was my original plan, since the added step of charging the CO2 takes such a deliberate effort, but I then realized having a safety is better.
FSC/TCP magazine fitment tolerances (fixed with caliper measurements)
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FSC/TCP magazine fitment tolerances (fixed with caliper measurements)
FSC with Grimburg JUL & 12g CO2 - rapid firing & re-load
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Viable self-defense option?
FSC 16g CO2 duds
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Was it because I left all the cartridges in the cold garage for days??
FSC/TCP with 16g CO2
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I’m using a modified Instinct Industries T8.1/T9.1 Ghost Magazine to fit a Genuine Innovations 16g unthreaded CO2 cartridge. You must use the FSC valve body with the black rubber seal in the magazine. The older T8.1/T9.1 valve bodies with the clear rubber seal are too small. Shooting less lethal Grimburg JUL 7.8g round projectiles. I made subsequent videos where I had severely diminished result...
FSC Magazine Options & 16 gram CO2 Less Lethal
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Different magazine options for your First Strike FSC paintball marker or Pepperball TCP. Also, how to mod the Instinct Industries Ghost magazine to hold Genuine Innovations 16 gram unthreaded CO2 cartridges. Sorry for the abrupt ending. Cymrutec: cymrutec.onlineweb.shop Instinct Industries Carbon Ghost Mag: instinctindustries.com/shop/carbon-ghost-mag
any idea where to get the 3d model of the mag? I'm pretty sure that I can print it way better and more sturdy with an X1C Carbon at a 0.12mm line height and with PA6-CF filament - if anyone has the 3d model please reply to this comment I would love to purchase it
can any1 recommend a source for 16 and 20g c02 cartridges for fsc?
Link for that mag??
The first mag (12g, 8-round) is the OEM aluminum mag for the outdated Tiberius T8.1/T9.1 markers. Those mags are out of production and not readily available anymore. As an alternative 12g (albeit only 6-round), I recommend Grimburg's OEM FSC mags that are modified to fit 12g carts (~$100). These are still factory mags, so fit and reliability is still 100%. The 2nd mag in the video is a 3d printed version of the T8.1/T9.1 12g mags (instinctindustries.com/shop/carbon-ghost-mag (~$50)), which I bored out myself to cram a 16g cart. Since this video, Cymrutec (www.cymrutec.com) has become a big player in oversized 3d printed mags, so I recommend his for 16g and higher mags.
Bro the Screw from the metal mag is longer then original fsc 8g plastic one I have both that's why it wasn't working for you
Thanks for the great tutorial! It definitely makes sense to use what you have available.
Why not just add a 13ci tank to the back of the tcp like we do I love the 2 co2 idea. But not like that lol
You’re not going to get more power running 2 12g co2’s like that you’ll just get more shots before you run out of air.
The stock FSC barrel is garbage the bore is oversized for the joules that we use so there is a ton of air blow by. I know this is an older video but hopefully someone sees this and it helps. 2 things to change immediately on the FSC for less lethal are the magazine to a 12g mag and that terrible barrel throw in the trash and get a 686 bore size barrel the FSC becomes a far better launcher with just those 2 upgrades. After that hey why not change out the bolt spring, sear spring with VKS spring and sear spring. Then do a PRV delete and milsig o-ring and you’ll have yourself a nice launcher for self defense.
Guys, I get emails sometimes with a new comment, but then it's mysteriously gone here. For the record, I have never deleted a comment (I wouldn't even know how to). Yesterday, someone commented complaining about deleting comments (it was unclear if it was directed towards me), but now his/her comment is missing here. I have no idea how this is happening.
It’s just left over gas in the cartridge and reg everyone’s launcher does it it’s not a defect
the balls are poping out when you engage your c02 its either you need stronger detents on the barrel or a weak spring in your mag will cause that to happen.
Probably my biggest concern is carrying for self defense and not being able to have the cow ready without turning the puncture knob. Thoughts??
Does it fire off sometimes without pulling trigger? Does shooting the recycled projectiles make a difference from the new?
Yes, all these markers have the propensity to shoot without touching them. They aren’t Glocks. Once you puncture the CO2, be ready to destroy whatever it’s pointing at. The high pressure can overcome the sear and shoot on its own. I’ve recycled the rounds hundreds of times and they are brand new but I always shoot at a soft trap. Might be different story if your shoot at metal cooking pans. The actual gun firing and barrel do no damage to the rounds.
Shooting on its own----not good
Can you carry it with a co2 punctured and not have leaks? Not very convenient in a self defense scenario.
It’s not recommended. I have stored a punctured co2 for a few days and it seemed to be fine, but too risky to rely on. Some other markers puncture on the first trigger pull, but the First Strike platform outweighs that benefit.
@@BonesDT I like the size, the different cow capabilities. I just can't get past the puncture procedure for self defense. Does it shoot 68 cal.??
@@tomackerman8447 yes 68 cal. The puncture procedure is not ideal but there’s really no better alternative. Remember, these markers are manufactured as literal toys. We’re souping them up for self defense. It’s a very niche world. Nothing beats real firearms, but I can’t get those, so this is my alternative.
Thank you for your feedback. I just started looking at this brand today. As far as the co2 puncture I've seen the revolver that you load the co2 in the butt and slap it to puncture. Not overly impressed with the loading of that one. Then the Byrna with the first trigger pull which is a little pricey.
Thanks for another informative video. I have an old T-8 pistol with two original mags. I'm intending to get an FSC near future and understand that T-8.1 mags will fit the FSC but those mags are basically impossible to find any more. Do you know... for use with round balls only, can my T8 mags be adapted to the FSC?
I don’t have any experience with T8 mags but I don’t see why they would not fit.
What’s up brotha we’re can I get the 12g co2 mags for fsc ? Already built , not shell any links available ? I herd can use t8.1 but I can’t find mags anywhere ?
WILL the 8g doner work with the 16g mag
What’s a “doner”? If you mean can you put a 8g co2 cartridge in a 16g mag, only with an adapter like the ones Cymrutec makes. Also, 8g carts have thicker heads so you have to make sure you are using a valve from a FSC mag and not a valve from a T8.1 mag. T8.1 mag valves only fit 12g carts. Period.
Do you know why my FSA and TCP are suddenly spitting all their balls out when I insert the magazines? They didn’t used to do it. It’s a new thing
Check both the rubber detents in the barrel. They get worn/broken over time and need to be replaced. If they are both good, then you might have to do the VKS spring upgrade to the trigger mechanism.
@@BonesDT Thank you! I was recommended better detents by Sterling Self Defense
Hey Bones, quick question. Have you Chrony'd any mags that use the 16g C02 to see what the FPS was across the range of shots? You're the only dude I know on YT who has both the mags and a chrony. Would love to know, if possible!!
With a 9" barrel and the 2x12g set up you'll get over 400fps...
Hope all is well with u and family missing your videos u make great content.
Thanks. I got a lot of new parts on order and should have something very special and possibly groundbreaking soon.
@@BonesDT Awesome I’ll be looking forward to those videos. I just recently got my CymruTec 20g Magazine , FSC Fibre Optic Sights and FSC ASA Knob.
Whats the conclusion? I just purchased a fsc 16g mag with a 12g adapter...waiting on 16g co2 to come in the mail...lol..I figure your not much of a difference with 16g vs 12g co2...
Greetings BonesDT it’s been over a year now has CymruTec improve in the new version that he’s selling to consumers? I’m considering on purchasing either the 16g or 20g magazine
I’ll let you know soon. I have a 20g mag on its way.
@@BonesDT thx u
Great video I wonder what causes the FSC to fire on its own very dangerous.
I believe it's the air overpowering the trigger mechanism. These aren't regulated firearms like Glocks. They WILL discharge spontaneously without touching the trigger. They are NOT safe with the trigger safety engaged. In order to render these markers safe, the magazine should be released, which will disconnect the air pressure (assuming you are not using a remote tank). Always point these markers downrange when there is air in them. Check out The Less-Lethal PSI Defence Channel's solution to double-up on the strings in the trigger mechanism: ruclips.net/video/nTojEoPC3ys/видео.html. This has been working much better for me since I his mod.
@@BonesDT Thank you for the information because I’m soon to put together my Fsc o ring from Grimburg since I purchased the FSC about a year ago I haven’t removed it out the box or did any adjustments to the velocity that it came in stock it’s about time I put away my HDR 50 20 Jules step up to the big league with my FSC thanks for the link to the video I’ll study it and make the adjustments.
I Tell ya,...parts of the problem,..is most times i saw your doin three turns on the co2 after you hear the click of the barrel,..,..too tight,....your dumpin a half tube of co2 on the seals,..then changin mags with frozen internals,..and shooting right away,...youve done these tests with the gun maxed,..getting worst every test,...the guns needs to be cleaned out and everything tightened up and lubed,.....you did alot of shots the day before ,...and alot of shots before and while you recorded,.......shits just prob loose in the weapon or your fryin your seals dumpin all that liquid co2 into the gun every 3 minutes.
I think any situation with this would be quik,....a close range short burst of ammo,...then flee,..if there still around after a quik couple shots,...your already being baboon stomped ..theres never gonna be a shoot out,...and if there was,...perp would have a real gun,....and you better hope you do too,.......just talkin real world,.....i like your vids,...you try so damn hard!!
Co2 is freezing inside the tube and valves,....i wouldnt be worrying about fps,...you not even getting 5 shots,....the regular 8gr mags work better then your contraption,..........like i said ,..just mod the 8 gr mag for 12 gram,....or a tube to fit in back for 2x12,..you would be rich.....great ideas though,...not easy to do i guess.
Pls just find a way to mod the fsc factory mag to take 12 gram,....if you did all this,...you can do that
cant someone figure out how to mod the 8 gram factory one to 12,...come on people,....
Grimburg actually sells a modified factory 6-round FSC magazine that accepts a 12g CO2, but it's $100 each! I don't understand why someone cannot fashion a 3D-printed extension plate for the factory mag (which would require the user to drill out their mag). I don't have 3d-printing skills, but I sawed off the bottom plate of a 2nd factory mag and I'm trying to figure out how to reliably attach it to a full mag, but I'm at a loss at the moment.
I lose up to 40fps in the cold weather with co2s.
I screw this 2X12g co2 straight thru the back of my FSC and T8.1 with just a small adapter. You will get 400FPS if you don't let the air out before you start shooting! If you hold ur hand on the 2x12 tube one end you can feel one co2 get cold then put ur hand on the other end to feel if the 2nd co2 has punctured.
pls explain how you did this and what we need to do it
how many joules you cant get if you put the velocy to the maximum?
Your c02 is fine
I just bought the 5" grimburg barrel, the FSC, and 16 gram mag. Waiting to receive it and get some other things to add to it I also bought the same pack of co2 you have in video
to go for the 40 + jul, you need a mini 200b 1300psi bottle and a minimum 9 inch barrel
I easily get 40 joules out of my fsc running on 12g co2. I put the PRV delete kit in mine with a vks spring but 40 joules all day long easy.
i just bought this and after seeing therse videos i might return it
so did u return this gun?
Why would I return it? It’s still the best less lethal option available.
@@BonesDT ok awesome haha u just seemed disapointed at thje end of the test. i guess ill just keep mines and upgrade it.
@@BonesDT what was the strongest build? did u keep looking for a better build after your videos?
Will you be reviewing the 20g mag as well. Thanks
cool. When I get my FSC I will have to design my own magazine with your ideas in mind for the 16g and print it out. Thanks for the video!
Cymrutec is printing 16g mags now and many other options. Check him out. Grimburg is working on a non-printed factory mag mod option.
i'm mad I just ordered this magazine...
which one? why are you mad?
@@BonesDT the ghost mag from instinct. I'm glad you broke down how I can use the stock mag parts. That made all the difference in the world.
What up less lethal community! I got a bunch of stuff to organize but hopefully I’ll get some videos up after I put the M17 together… Getting stocked up on Grimburgs and Canada riotballs, but I also scooped a ballMaker from buddy on EBay & a bunch of stuff to play w/ and make some custom ammo for my TR50 & the .68 shotty…
Gonna use the brand 12g and keep it simple or try too at least...
Well, I have achieved up to 350fps with my T8.1. I even managed 400+, with the Grimburg HP68 rounds. That 400+, was probably a fluke, but I got it once. I haven't tried it again, to see if I can consistently get that high a power. But, I do get a consistent 320, 340fps. Again, with the Grimburg rounds. And I should mention, is all on C02 12g cartridges. The barrel I use to test the Grimburg rounds, are 14' and 9' smooth bore. I found 9' to be the sweet spot. The diameter is .086.
The grimburg 5" barrel should shoot 320-340 ..unless the 12g co2 is left in a cool/cold place?
Thanks for the magazine / barrel comparison. I have the Pepperball tcp, stock barrel & Lapco 5" barrel. I have the stock magazine and the Cymrutec 8 round magazine too. I'm having problem with two .68 cal roundballs loading double for the first shot. And excessive jamming with the Grimburg hp68's. Any adustments I can make to the gate spring and mag springs? I'm keeping the fsp down to 300 or below. All combinations show same results! What's up??
I had that issue too and it completely stopped after this mod to the trigger spring: ruclips.net/video/BjZd0S8WdBQ/видео.html
Need to get to the bottom of why the mag doesnt work with grimburg barrels. Annoyingly it works fine with mine so I might try and get a hold of another barrel to test this. Works well with all other barrels just the grimburg one, and I think its because of the shape of the breach, I might need to modify the angle of the projectile channel slightly to line up better. The other barrels have a larger breach which is probs why it feeds better
I'll make some tweaks and send you a new mag to test. Ill add a disclaimer on my site in the meantime that it may not work so well with grimburg barrels.
Ok. Keep it up. You have the best mag designs. Btw, I keep forgetting to mention to you that the factory mags have interlocking slots on the front edge. I think if u can incorporate that in yours it will strengthen the flexing on the front edge, which I think might attribute to it a little
@@BonesDT Yep ive seen those im going to probably add some sheet metal to reinforce them. Just need to source it first.
@@cymrutec it’s been several months now has the issues with the CymruTec magazine using the Grimburg Barrel been resolved?
Great video, don't use that Chrono inside, won't read correctly, I have the same one and I never get a correct reading inside. It states it in the manual, hope this helps. 👍👍 Also make sure all your regulator screws are tight and including velocity screw and the little screw inside the velocity opening, I forget what it's called, I think it's the relief screw or something like that.
I'm hoping the lighting is what's giving me low FPS values. Either that or Optical chronos score lower than Doppler Radar in general. I am aware that the Optical chronos dont work with florescent lighting, but I have LED lighting, and usually if there is a light problem, you would get an error reading. But I will try to do a true outdoor sunlight test in my next video to get to the bottom of this.
@@BonesDT from my testing, l.e.ds don't work either on this Chrono, I've tried adding lights, moving the Chrono closer to windows, doesn't work. Sunlight would be the best. I know they do sell a light kit specifically made for this Chrono for indoor use, I think it's like $50 to $75 if I'm not mistaken.
It looks like you are wearing a suit. Nice video 📺
That’s because I am. 😉. Thanks.
@@BonesDT Cool suit and video 📺
I have 2 T8.1/T9.1 mags aluminum 12g 8-round and 2 Cymrutec 3D printed 12g Mags-The Cymutec 2 mags Cost me $100 to ship to the US.Also a lapco .686 rifled barrel with the Hammerhead brake/suppressor shooting Grimburg JUL-68 --Bullseye @ 30 feet. Also modded my FSC regulator-video here.ruclips.net/video/BjZd0S8WdBQ/видео.html
Yup. Pretty similar to my setup here.
My stock smooth bore .68 cal barrel is not accurate-shoots an 8 inch pattern @ 30 feet--My Lapco .686 cal rifled barrel with the Hammerhead brake/suppressor shoots a bullseye @ 30 feet.
@@BonesDT the Hammerhead brake/suppressor made it 20% quieter,straighter and more powerful.