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362 Jeju flight 2216 Mystery: Why Aircraft Didn’t Slow During Slide on the Runway
In this Aviation News Talk episode, Max Trescott analyzes the recent crash of Jeju Air Flight 2216, a Boeing 737-800, in South Korea. The aircraft landed gear-up on runway 19 at Muan International Airport, slid down the runway, hit a concrete berm, and burst into flames, leaving only two survivors among the crew. He performed a video analysis of the aircraft’s speed along the runway and concluded that the aircraft didn’t slow until after it left the runway, suggesting the engines were still at high power during the slide.
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362 Jeju flight 2216 Mystery: Why Aircraft Didn’t Slow During Slide on the Runway
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In this Aviation News Talk episode, Max Trescott analyzes the recent crash of Jeju Air Flight 2216, a Boeing 737-800, in South Korea. The aircraft landed gear-up on runway 19 at Muan International Airport, slid down the runway, hit a concrete berm, and burst into flames, leaving only two survivors among the crew. He performed a video analysis of the aircraft’s speed along the runway and conclud...
361 Multi-engine and MEI Checkride Mock Oral with Jason Blair + GA News
Просмотров 37821 час назад
Max talks with Jason Blair, a DPE, about multi-engine ratings and training challenges. Jason explains that most pilots pursue multi-engine ratings as add-ons to their commercial certificates. He advises following an efficient training path: private single-engine, instrument rating, commercial single-engine, and finally, the multi-engine add-on. www.lightspeedaviation.com/product/zulu-3-anr-head...
361 Multi-engine and MEI Checkride Mock Oral with Jason Blair + GA News
Просмотров 10621 час назад
Max talks with Jason Blair, a DPE, about multi-engine ratings and training challenges. Jason explains that most pilots pursue multi-engine ratings as add-ons to their commercial certificates. He advises following an efficient training path: private single-engine, instrument rating, commercial single-engine, and finally, the multi-engine add-on. www.lightspeedaviation.com/product/zulu-3-anr-head...
360 8 Flight Training Experiences to Make You a Better Pilot with Dr. Catherine Cavagnaro + GA News
Просмотров 41414 дней назад
Max talks with Dr. Catherine Cavagnaro about the value of advanced flight training and aviation experiences. Catherine shares her family tradition of gifting adventures instead of physical items, often involving flights to places like Fredericksburg, Texas, or Ireland, blending fun, learning, and aviation. www.lightspeedaviation.com/product/zulu-3-anr-headset/?campaign=Zulu 3&ref=63 They discus...
360 8 Flight Training Experiences to Make You a Better Pilot with Dr. Catherine Cavagnaro + GA News
Просмотров 17614 дней назад
Max talks with Dr. Catherine Cavagnaro about the value of advanced flight training and aviation experiences. Catherine shares her family tradition of gifting adventures instead of physical items, often involving flights to places like Fredericksburg, Texas, or Ireland, blending fun, learning, and aviation. www.lightspeedaviation.com/product/zulu-3-anr-headset/?campaign=Zulu 3&ref=63 They discus...
359 Sleep Smarter, Fly Safer: A Pilot’s Guide to Rest with Dr. Quay Snyder + GA News
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Max talks with Dr. Quay Snyder, an expert in aerospace medicine, about the critical role of sleep and fatigue management, especially in aviation. Dr. Snyder delves into the structure of sleep, emphasizing the importance of REM sleep for emotional recovery and memory consolidation, and deep sleep for physical restoration. He provides practical advice, such as maintaining a cool, dark, and quiet ...
359 Sleep Smarter, Fly Safer: A Pilot’s Guide to Rest with Dr. Quay Snyder + GA News
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Max talks with Dr. Quay Snyder, an expert in aerospace medicine, about the critical role of sleep and fatigue management, especially in aviation. Dr. Snyder delves into the structure of sleep, emphasizing the importance of REM sleep for emotional recovery and memory consolidation, and deep sleep for physical restoration. He provides practical advice, such as maintaining a cool, dark, and quiet ...
356 N73WA Beech Baron Crash at Catalina and the Deadly Effects of Somatogravic Illusion + GA News
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Max talks about discuss the tragic crash of a Beechcraft B55 Baron, N73WA, that departed from Catalina Island in Southern California on October 8th. The flight, taken in dark night conditions, sadly resulted in the loss of all five onboard, including two Certified Flight Instructors and two student pilots. Somatogravic illusion-an effect where acceleration feels like a climb-likely played a rol...
356 N73WA Beech Baron Crash at Catalina and the Deadly Effects of Somatogravic Illusion + GA News
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Max talks about discuss the tragic crash of a Beechcraft B55 Baron, N73WA, that departed from Catalina Island in Southern California on October 8th. The flight, taken in dark night conditions, sadly resulted in the loss of all five onboard, including two Certified Flight Instructors and two student pilots. Somatogravic illusion-an effect where acceleration feels like a climb-likely played a rol...
355 Envoy 3936 Wrong Runway Landing at O’Hare with Rob Mark & HondaJet Crash in Arizona
Просмотров 1,5 тыс.Месяц назад
Max talks first about the fatal crash of N57HP, a HondaJet, which crashed earlier this week during takeoff from Falcon Field in Mesa, AZ. The aircraft reached 133 knots on the runway, well above the rotation speed of 115 knots, before rejecting its takeoff. Max also talked with Rob Mark about a near-miss incident at Chicago O'Hare involving Envoy Flight 3936, an Embraer 170. The incident took p...
355 Envoy 3936 Wrong Runway Landing at O’Hare with Rob Mark & HondaJet Crash in Arizona
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Max talks first about the fatal crash of N57HP, a HondaJet, which crashed earlier this week during takeoff from Falcon Field in Mesa, AZ. The aircraft reached 133 knots on the runway, well above the rotation speed of 115 knots, before rejecting its takeoff. Max also talked with Rob Mark about a near-miss incident at Chicago O'Hare involving Envoy Flight 3936, an Embraer 170. The incident took p...
354 G100UL Unleaded Fuel on Sale Now; 25 Gallons Free for SF Bay Area Pilots
Просмотров 2532 месяца назад
Max talks with Eric Peterson, Director of Santa Clara County Airports, discussed the landmark arrival of G100UL, an unleaded 100-octane aviation gasoline, at Reid-Hillview Airport in San Jose, making it the first airport in the U.S. to offer GAMI’s G100UL fuel. Santa Clara County, motivated by studies linking lead exposure to nearby airports, decided to phase out leaded fuels in 2022, initially...
354 G100UL Unleaded Fuel on Sale Now; 25 Gallons Free for SF Bay Area Pilots
Просмотров 1982 месяца назад
Max talks with Eric Peterson, Director of Santa Clara County Airports, discussed the landmark arrival of G100UL, an unleaded 100-octane aviation gasoline, at Reid-Hillview Airport in San Jose, making it the first airport in the U.S. to offer GAMI’s G100UL fuel. Santa Clara County, motivated by studies linking lead exposure to nearby airports, decided to phase out leaded fuels in 2022, initially...
352 R44 Helicopter Pilot Stories: Delivering Supplies After Hurricane Helene
Просмотров 2532 месяца назад
Max talks with John Kinard of AeroLuxe Aviation, based in Nashville, which operates a fleet of helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft, including R44 and R22 helicopters. Following Hurricane Helene, the company became involved in relief efforts after seeing the devastation in North Carolina. John contacted the Ashville, NC EOC, and was told that help wasn’t needed. Nonetheless, AeroLux decided to f...
352 R44 Helicopter Pilot Stories: Delivering Supplies After Hurricane Helene
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352 R44 Helicopter Pilot Stories: Delivering Supplies After Hurricane Helene
350 N831AZ SR22 Crash at Provo, UT and Stall/Spin Prevention
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350 N831AZ SR22 Crash at Provo, UT and Stall/Spin Prevention
349 Buying and Flying a Cirrus SR22 from California to Missouri + GA News
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349 Buying and Flying a Cirrus SR22 from California to Missouri GA News
349 Buying and Flying a Cirrus SR22 from California to Missouri + GA News
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349 Buying and Flying a Cirrus SR22 from California to Missouri GA News
348 N629AG Malibu Crash at Anderson, IN and Descent Planning + GA News
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348 N629AG Malibu Crash at Anderson, IN and Descent Planning GA News
348 N629AG Malibu Crash at Anderson, IN and Descent Planning + GA News
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348 N629AG Malibu Crash at Anderson, IN and Descent Planning GA News
347 How to Legally Mount a Camera to a Plane and Video Tips with Patrick Carter
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347 How to Legally Mount a Camera to a Plane and Video Tips with Patrick Carter
347 How to Legally Mount a Camera to a Plane and Video Tips with Patrick Carter
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347 How to Legally Mount a Camera to a Plane and Video Tips with Patrick Carter
346 Tailwheel Flying: The Art and Challenge with Jim Hopp + GA News
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346 Tailwheel Flying: The Art and Challenge with Jim Hopp GA News
346 Tailwheel Flying: The Art and Challenge with Jim Hopp + GA News
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346 Tailwheel Flying: The Art and Challenge with Jim Hopp GA News
345 Cessna 182 Prop Strike: Interview and Analysis using Garmin G3X data and FlySto.net
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345 Cessna 182 Prop Strike: Interview and Analysis using Garmin G3X data and FlySto.net
345 Cessna 182 Prop Strike: Interview and Analysis using Garmin G3X data and FlySto.net
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345 Cessna 182 Prop Strike: Interview and Analysis using Garmin G3X data and FlySto.net
344 Truckee Airport’s Challenges and its FLY SAFE Program for Pilots - with Jeff Menasco +...
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344 Truckee Airport’s Challenges and its FLY SAFE Program for Pilots - with Jeff Menasco ...
344 Truckee Airport’s Challenges and its FLY SAFE Program for Pilots - with Jeff Menasco +...
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344 Truckee Airport’s Challenges and its FLY SAFE Program for Pilots - with Jeff Menasco ...
342 N990PT Cirrus SR22 Fatal Accident at KBHB, Bar Harbor, Maine
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342 N990PT Cirrus SR22 Fatal Accident at KBHB, Bar Harbor, Maine
The trigger for lowering the gear is called doing the landing checklist.. Checklists must done.. no excuses..
Have you checked the authenticity of the video?
My thoughts, as to why the aircraft seemed to be maintaining a high speed along the runway, agree with some of those in the comments. The estimate speed was high enough for the aircraft to fly if the flaps and slats had been fully deployed. The wings have a slight curve which indicates they are producing significant lift but not enough to completely support the aircraft. Also the aircraft is sitting in a slight nose high attitude which puts the wing at a slightly higher angle of attack which in turn produces more lift. The spoilers, that would have dumped lift on the wings, were not deployed because they need the landing gear to be down and aircraft 10ft or less above the ground. The result is that an appreciable amount of the aircraft's weight was not bearing down on the runway. Whether or not it was intended to make the approach and landing without flaps, slats, and gear the pilot flying , in my opinion, had no glider pilot experience. Yes many pilots have successfully made emergency no power landings without glider experience but in this case a glider pilot, in particular, would have recognized that they were too high and close to the runway to turn final. I'm sorry to say but I believe the pilots own this one. R.I.P. to the crew and passengers. To see how valuable glider pilot experience can be, look up Gimli Glider.
Fatigue likely played a role with the crew’s behavior, it took off at 2:48am
Nose up indicates go around fail !
Maby the captain and co Pilot was drinking in Singapore the night before and when they arived to the airport got away with the security in Singapore and took the plane straitdoun to hell
you mean Thailand
The idea a jet sliding on it belly slows down quickly is an OWT. Check the data: 1. Friction Coefficient • The friction coefficient between the aircraft’s fuselage and the concrete is much lower than the coefficient between rubber tires and the runway. • Typical values: • Tires on dry concrete: 0.7-1.0 • Metal fuselage on concrete: 0.2-0.3
I cannot get out of my mind the idea of pilots soooicidal pact
Even if it did slow down a bit the concrete slab in its way would have still done damage no???
Additionally the theory of engines producing forward thrust is flawed... because we see from the landing and approach video no heat signature from number 1. Thus no thrust... and number 2s thrust reverser sleeve was deployed... if the sleeve translates aft the blocker doors are attached to the sleve no way it could produce forward thrust... however the thrust being vectored can excacerbate the ground effect and cushion of air under the wing.
Your math may be flawed. Because 1 the camera also moved. And also you are using average numbers for example if the touch down was actually the high side of the margin of error at around say 190 kts and the overrun was actually in the low end of your margin of error at around 130 kts that means a deceleration of approximately 60 kts, now several have done the math of the nose passes end of pavement until it impacts the berm and use the distance divided by time to come to approximately 130 kts at overrun still screaming fast. One also possibility for the late touch down as well as they turned to line up.. as iff a power off 180 did they come in over the approach end of 19? Or did they cut it in closer judging a degraded glide time (which would also account for delay of extending gear, and again the whole sequence was around 3 minutes...and again with number 1 out you would have to manually drop the gear, thats at minimum a 30 second process perhaps they felt its better to land on the belly than risk either A not making the runway, or B touching down on landing gear that is only halfway through its gradual extension.
You also say unless it were a fual engine failure. It would have been better for the delayed vectors. But when you watch we know that #2 suffered some compressor stalls which means degredated performance but from the TR deployment and video of the approach we can see it was still operating possibly at a highly reduced thrust.. but no TR deployment or heat trail from number 1. Therefore the urgency is likely due to loss of adequate thrust in both engines... additionally if Number one was out that will take out the A hydraulic system which controls the gear extension... in a low thrust or no thruat you would go for best glide to reach the runway which is predicated on flaps and gear up and around 200kts only loweing the gear once landing is assured... if you are sure you are going to make the runway at a low altitude you simply dont have time to move the gear handle to off, awkwardly turn and pry up the dust covered hatch, pully fully 3 separate handles then wait 15 more seconds for them to hopefully drop into place. As far as flaps, if the hydraulic options were comprimised you could run them out electrically however it requires you to reach to the far left aft overhead panel (captains side) open thebguard and arm it and hold another 3 position switch into the down mode after having selected a flap setting. Now if capt is flying and FO isnt tall or doesnt have long arms.. it may be difficult to reach. And also flaps on hydraulics take a while, flaps electrically actuated take longer. And again you dont want that extra drag until you know you can make the runway.
The first 3 minutes this dude is begging like a dog, for a few lousy bucks. Such a pathetic excuse for a podcaster, more like a homeless ragman picking a smoked cigarette from a garbage can. Every channel it’s the same begging rant
At 10:15 you make the false assumption that they went around without gear. However from the speed on the adsb data and other available statements and photographs gear and flaps had been deployed for the first approach. The question remains was the go around triggered before or after the bird strike and what was the actual reason for the go around which we will have to wait for cvr data
No Wall No Dead .
I hope the pilot was not radicalized. I am just saying
The experience pilot can’t stop the speeding planes bcuz the Boeing landing gear & brakes system is not working at all.😢😢😢
….it did not slow down bcuz the landing gear & brakes system not working at all….
Bird Strike Right side but thrust reverses applied Right side and NOT on Left side which should have been running but was not. NO FLAP SLATS SPEED BRAKES and wrong side engine shut down.
I wonder why the plane stayed so straight with the reverser deployed. This could indicate compromised thrust on the right engine.
CG
It’s pronounced “Jeh Ju” content creators covering this story need to learn to say the name correctly
Because of high speed the plane skidding off the runway. Also doesn't look like landing seems like the plane is taking off the runway why? The speeding
The guy who took the video... Although very tragic and sad, would he get paid for its use?
Really depends if he claimed a license on it, or he wanted to share it for public interest.
@jimbobeire oh I see. It makes a difference seeing it on video it captures the public imagination more, I think. It also helps with the investigation. Not easy viewing for the families though.
TOGA to 5000. Bird strike checklist, stabilize and land on 01 the Active runway. They panicked pretty obvious.
Why are your videos posted twice?
Looks like pilots error. They panicked! Suicide? All things to be done for landing were not done! RIP for all people who suffered🙏
On which electrical bus does the Ground Proximity Warning reside?
This was a panicked human relying on survival instincts almost exclusively.
yeah, because that's what trained airline pilots do when something goes wrong, They toss out the QRH and checklist and just improvise all the way to the crash scene in sheer panic.
@ I’m with ya I’ve crawled around those CFM56 for several years. Had a couple compressor stalls come in rig pin fit replace the engines. Almost non event for American pilots. I’m trying to guess but that engine flew him to the airport so. Too much redundancy to blame it on that.
maybe one engine had a quick failure, the other one had a slow failure which they only realized too late at which point their landing gear would not drop but they were already lined up.
No sheet!
We are not stupid we know the plane didn't slow down my eyes told me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eh, some people are stupid and can't tell the difference between the object changing speed and the camera moving... some people _do_ need an explanation.
No mystery. Aluminum and titanium has less friction than rubber tires...
There's a slightly longer video out there taken from the fence line, about 9 seconds after the aircraft hits the berm if you listen carefully you can briefly hear two different engines winding down. I believe one of them is main a engine and the other one is the APU. Which indicates flight crew was following or trying to follow emergency checklist
In this tragedy, several people at the airport, along with people in the cockpit, made fatal and fatal mistakes
The internet’s reactions to tragedies is fairly predictable at this point. Emotions are high and unanswered questions terrify people, so scapegoats are created. In this case the scapegoat has become the brick wall. That’s not to say the wall wasn’t part of the problem, but the wall wasn’t flying the plane. The pilots were. Everybody needs to just chill the hell out and wait for the data to come out.
There is a confusion and lack of coordination among the flight crew to carry out specific and definite responsibilities
Because engine titanium and tail strike area titanium no melting for friction on runway
Why they didnt land on ther dirt?
Landing on a paved runway does not involve having the engines digging into the soil, snapping off and rupturing fuel lines.
Maybe they intended to approach clean and lower the landing gear at the last seconds (this is what I would have done), but at the heat of the moment they forgot that and might have believed the gears were down and they would touchdown at the landing marker. That might be the reason why the plane landed long in the middle of the runway and with no speed deceleration.
The analysis of the aircraft speed on the ground does not take into account the aspect angles and is not meaningful. At touchdown the aircraft was travelling at about 150 kts. When it had descended below 10 ft the thrust reverser (TR) on the No 2 right engine was deployed and the engine was producing some thrust. The No 1 left engine was not running an the TR was not deployed. Without the No 1 engine running and the TR deployed on the No 2 engine, there is no way that the pilot was attempting to take-off. The flaps and slats were not deployed even at 150 kts the aircraft was far below the speed required for rotation. Simply your math is wrong. The approach was at 200 kts, which is the correct speed for a flapless landing. To have stopped on the landing would have required a runway of at least 6,000m. The world's longest airport runway is 5,500m. An attempt at a flapless landing was always going to end badly.
I agree with you that #1 appears to have been shut down and #2 appears to have been running at touchdown. Just for clarification, I'm assuming your statement that a no flap landing requires 6000m is based on landing gear up.
No amount of searching for physical clues at this horrific crash site of the Korean Boeing aircraft in Decembe r2024 will reveal the ultimate real cause! The real investigation should be done at Boeing's factory floor! I heard from independent aviation industry insiders and experts that this horrific tragedy came as no surprise as the Boeing manufacturer's quality has been hugely compromised over the last decade by the employment and influx of huge numbers of poor quality Indian technical workers who took every opportunity to cut corners resulting in many defective parts for the aircraft and so Boeing and it customers are now starting to pay a heavy price for such a huge personnel recruitment mistake! Therefore the real cause of the crash is to be found on Boeing's factory floor where every aircraft manufactured there over the past decade is a defective aircraft and hence a flying tmebomb waiting to explode in the air! at any time!
A frame freeze shows No.1 engine off the pavement, aupporting the theory of an attempt to get airborne again.
No. The No 2 right engine thrust reverser (TR) is deployed and the No 1 left engine is not running. The retardation on the right engine will yaw the aircraft ringt, which causes the let wing to lift. The No 2 engine is throttled up, with the TR deployed, which is evidence of that the pilot was trying to land and not an attempt to take off.
I agree 100% with your analysis, I did my speed calculations from one runway light, to the next and came up with a speed of 190 knots, so we were not that far apart, I also looked at this aircraft's last 30 flights that I could get data on, and all of them showed landing between 3000 and 4000 feet down the runway, so this landing apart from the damage, wouldn't have been different for them. Google Earth imagery is old, I use software here that is more up to date, and the start of RW 19 runway extension works was complete, so they had ample room for a shorter landing attempt, I also wondered if they didn't hit that ILS mound, would the aircraft have survived? We shall never know, as the boundary fence was also made of concrete blocks, and then you have all the approach lights beyond that, I fear the end result would still have been the same once the engines dug in. I can supply the updated image of the runway if you require it.
The speeds are consistent with a no flaps landing speed of a 737-800 of 220-180 kts . However, did you consider the stopping distance? This is actually in the range of 3,000 to 5,000m for a no flaps belly landing. Muan is only 2,800m. Their survival chances were low even without the localizer embankment.
No reason forgot lower landing gears, flaps/ slat deploy usually prior gears down, I thinks pilots had try his best,,,,,,,,,,,😢😢
Maybe only one system in working departure, no redundancy available, birds strike, engine failed, all hydraulics collapse, flaps not being down before gears, above dicision height, togo around, one engine work, no flaps deployed, lift force limited to specific height, deep turnaround, made a glidering option, no gear down flew further longer, limited height for glidering, landed on mid runway...............unlucky. 😢😢😢😢
Why don’t planes have a cockpit warning sound when gear is not down below a certain altitude?
They do.
This is terrible. First of all, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Secondly, this video is often a mirror image, so we don't know exactly which engine was damaged by the birds. Third, the aircraft was configured to land before the bird strike. Proximity to the ground, a series of bad decisions under stress, underestimating ground effect on landing, and ultimately touching down Halfway through the airport was the main cause. Technical failure combined with pilot error.
I think the crew has committed a suicide, as a mechanic for more than 20 years I can't believe that all systems could fail at once , such as engine failure , gears fail to down with main , back up and manual pump , flaps fails , more than that the plane had enough speed to hang in the sky to making the best decision before landing
Landed long and hot on concrete with no brakes and engine(s) making lower.. Flippin' moron.