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@tsarnevits that's a great question and definitely one I'm interested to know as well. I'm going to the duc dealership tomorrow so I'll ask and see if they have any early info. The panigale is a difficult choice for a daily rider. While the body position is perfect for aggressive riding (it so easy to lean over and get your chest and arm on the tank when in a hanging off position), it's pretty aggressive for normal street duty. My aprilia is quite a bit more comfortable for street riding. That being said if I could only ever have one bike, this would be it even if it meant I had to deal with some occasional discomfort. Thanks for watching. I really appreciate it!

A friend of mine races in the BTR class of moto America. When I talked with her about the new bike she said all the people who actually race panigales are super excited about the new bike and want to see what it can really do. My guess is your right. This bike will be killer on track.

@gonviiiii I'm glad to hear to hear that you like the exhaust. I have the SC project CRT. The stock exhaust in my opinion sounds good but just too quiet. The crt sounds awesome but it is very much on the loud side. The SC1-R exhaust is a pretty good middle ground if you don't want it really loud. If you track the bike the CRT isn't always super track friendly. Because it's so loud. A lot of tracks have noise limits now days. After 2 years I still love the rs660!

Thanks for the answer, I will soon have my RS660.

@@gonviiiii you bet. Dude, I'm excited for you. I think you'll really like it! Let me know how it goes.

@@Knoxvillemoto Okey bro!

@@JohnPaulV yep. We're you out there also?

@@Knoxvillemoto yeah I met and spoke with you.

Ohh nice! What were you riding. If you were in the novice group I probably have video of you passing me at some point.....basically everyone did lol.

@Knoxvillemoto I was on ducati 1299s red. Yeah I did pass you. Saturday

@@JohnPaulV ohh yeah. Nice. I remember you it was great to meet you. Are you coming back to any more track days this year?

Yeah, I'm with you. I do think it will grow on me. I'm not sure I will like it as much as the 24, but you're right. I don't like the look of the 18 as much as the 23-24. Hopefully, this design will evolve in a similar way to the current gen. Ducati has never been afraid to push the boundaries, lol.

@palerider6611 Oh yeah, it's so much fun. I will definitely take your advice and put together a binder with track maps for each track I go to and notes on each. It's wild how when your following the instructors it seems so easy (because your just following their plan) but it gets so much harder when you have to execute your own plan without them as a reference. Hopefully, a notebook to write down notes about lines, reference points, road surface, and other info will help put together the plan a little faster. I also have a lot of skills that I really need to focus on. Things like first and last 5 percent of inputs and being smooth on inputs. I have a bad habit of closing the throttle too quickly and upsetting the suspension. I'll definitely talk to some folks about champ school. I'm trying to learn as much as I can not only to get quicker but also to be a safer rider as well so I'll take all of the help I can get. I feel like I learned a lot last weekend at little tally and so hopefully I can apply that towards labor day at barber. Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it!

Yeah. I completely agree. I was just at the track this weekend and saw one or two ducatis there out of all of the bikes, and one was owned by the event organizer. I left mine at home because I don't feel I have enough experience to really ride that bike on track yet. The single sided swing arm is definitely a gamble for sure. I applaud them for taking the risk and trying to push to boundaries, but I'm not sure it will work out in the long run.

It's awesome that you're trying to follow your interest. I can certainly understand the balance of responsibility to family, with your responsibility to yourself to do things that you enjoy doing. Based on what you've said, I suspect you fall into the category of people who would be able to start on something bigger than a starter bike. I don't know if you've checked out any of my other videos, but I touched on a few of these things, including when I bought my panigale with a years worth of experience. I will say that I would recommend something like the RS660 over the panigale as a mature persons starter bike. The first time you come into a corner just a bit too hot, there are more things to figure out than a similar situation in a car. If you're on a much faster bike like the panigale, you're going to have fewer of those precious seconds that you need to get it sorted. I started out by taking the msf course and then buying a bike. It was at the end of covid, and there weren't many bikes in stock, so I ended up just ordering the RS660 from the factory and having it shipped to my house. I have a video of my first ride on it. I never hit over 25mph, and you can see that I am super super shaky and unsmooth. I started out just in my neighborhood and worked on getting it moving and taking turns. Eventually, I took it out on the road outside my neighborhood and got up to 60 mph. Before each ride, I would make a plan and stick to it religiously. You typically make the plan when you're thinking very logically and that logic sometimes goes out the window when you get on the bike. I took the bike to a track about 8 months into riding. I would highly recommend doing this. This is where I learned what really makes a bike turn, stop, lean, etc. I took a ton of baby steps along the way, and I'm still learning. I will have been riding for 2 years, come the 22nd of this month, and I'll am currently getting ready to drive back to knoxville from my 5th track day. I'm more in love with bikes now than I've ever been, and I can't recommend it enough! Many of my other videos talk a lot about some of these things in more detail, so I encourage you to go watch some of them. Also, if you have any other questions or thoughts, feel free to reach out here or on my Instagram page as well. Hell, if you want somebody to go with you to the dealership when you buy your first bike, let me know. Seriously, I'll go with you if I'm available. I love bikes and the bike community, so anything I can do to help. Let me know.

Yeah, I think that is the case. That's makes me feel a lot better about the new bike. If you had to replace the whole fairing over some small damage, that would really suck. Thanks for the feedback!

Yeah. Someone else pointed out that you can actually option the bike with carbon fiber wingless as well. I think that would help with the look of the front end a good bit. It is reassuring to know they are replaceable. Are you thinking about buying one?

@@Knoxvillemoto Yeah no. Money's tight right now. I have two paid for Aprilia Tuonos (2003&2012) collecting dust in my garage. If I was in the market for high end superbike I'd probably get a 23/24 M1000RR.

Interesting. How many bikes do you have? I thought I had a motorcycle addiction lol.

It's hard to say for sure without seeing it in person, but it sure does seem like it is more premium than a lot of other comparable swing arm designs. Also very functional. The top and bottom of the swing arm see the highest stresses from vertical loading and are responsible for most of the stiffness of the swing arm. Any portion of the arm that wasn't all that useful, they just got rid of.

@@Knoxvillemoto look at the 999 now thats an ugly swing arm

Lol, yeah definitely not up to the modern standards. It makes me think that we've collectively become more picky.

I think you hit the nail on the head with your comparison to harley. They are a lifestyle brand. They aren't just selling bikes. They are selling their whole brand image. I'd love to know what the conversations leading up to this decision sounded like.

@Knoxvillemoto it clearly shows how "out of tune" companies get with their market. Porsche knows rear engine, flat six, is their emotion & sold SUV'S to keep it. Single sided swing arm is all Ducati, even though others do it.

That is a great question. I think ducati is fundamentally at odds with itself at the moment. They are absolutely dominating in motorsports, which has no doubt had a large influence on their sales. I can see why they might make the assumption that supremacy at the track translates to sales and why they would put their focus on track performance. But like you illuded to, right now, ducatis real niche in the market is producing a high-end luxury product that leverages its racing heritage and technology. The panigale really needs to be more than just a fast bike. It needs to be motorcycle art that is also a top performer. I don't envy their position. They have to try to be as fast as bikes like the S1K, with it's aggressive aero and advanced technology, while also being the best-looking bike on the market. That's a rough balance to maintain. I guess my question is, will people eventually come around to the new look, or will they say "well I can get a similar bike from another company for less money?

Your 749 sounds sick! I am really curious to see what a SP or R version of this bike looks like. I think an R version particularly makes sense. They have already really focused on the performance of the bike. They might as well double down and produce an ultimate track bike like the RC8R. I agree I'm very curious what this bike would look like with a heaping helping of go fast parts. do you track the 749R?

@@Knoxvillemoto V4R will be revealed at EICMA in November. You will see then. SPs are just a thing Ducati likes to do to rake in money to fund their racing programs just like when they make a limited Superleggera. Everything Ducati does is for racing first and foremost.

Hmm. I'm pretty interested to see what the R looks like. I'll keep my eyes pealed.

As it turns out, I was wrong. It looks like the wings are actually separate prices that can be removed. They just look transition really smoothly into the fairing. I'll be honest I might one day buy a SP or R version of this bike, but I agree. I'm never selling my 24.

@@Knoxvillemoto yeah i thought the same thing as you about the wings at first until I was sent close up pics. I still do not like this bikes fish face. I love the current looks of the V4S and V4R. they look angry in the front

I could agree more. I've lived in quite a few places before and I don't think I've ever come across such a great blend of smaller town feel with bigger town amenities. We really love it here. We actually just had some good friends move to Lexington. We go up there to see them a lot and visa versa. Awesome town. I was very impressed. What's your favorite resteraunt in lexington?

@@Knoxvillemoto I think i will move to Knoxville next year! Oh I like Jeff Rubys for Steak. Malones is ok too chain style for me. I like Red State for BBQ.

@@Knoxvillemoto FYI Backroads Bakery on 6st is best cheesecake in lexington!!! Just as good or better than the Cheescake factory or Juniors in NYC.. Small husband and wife operation she is fire!! True skill

Thanks for the recommendations. I will definitely check them out next time I'm there. Now I'm in the mood for cheese cake lol.

@@Knoxvillemoto If you are in lexington go to Backroads. its a very small spot on the "not so good" side of town..... I guess because her rent is cheap. Restaurants and pubs have already been broken into and robbed on that side of lexington. Hopefully one day she will move to a bigger and better spot.

Ohh wow. Yeah, it definitely seems like the new body style isn't an instant hit. I wonder if the perception will change over time. I'll have to go over to your insta and check out the mini series.

@@Knoxvillemoto Same name as youtube, but youll see it pinned. I am doing a video on the comments because they are hilarious. Honestly, once these instagrammers who do those posing videos start to create content, watch everyone love it. They'll start quoting specs and bs... lol

Wow a panigale and a SF. Best of both worlds. Maybe they will make some mid cycle updates that you like better.

@@Knoxvillemoto As you say hopefully they improve things, they could start with making the double sided swing arm actually desireable looking. The new swing arm hit every branch in the ugly tree.

Yeah. I do think the new swing arm is very function driven over form. I can see them making some refinements down the road for sure.

The single sided arm does look cool as hell, I agree.

It does seem like there is a lot of influence from the S1k. It'll no doubt be good for performance. I will say that the looks of the 2024 bike are one of the reasons I went with it over the s1k. It sure seems like a very split reaction to the new design.

@@Knoxvillemotolooks a matter of time people start liking or get used to it 😊 Remember when SRR new version came out with the new front the reaction was Just like how cyber truck lives on there will be two sides . I still can’t take the look of the cybertruck though yikes 😂

Yeah, I think you're right. I think it will grow on people. I don't know that people will ever like it as much as the current iteration, but I think the reception will improve over time. I'm with you on the cyber truck. They aren't my cup of tea, lol.

I can't say I disagree. I'm sure there is some very trick aero going on with the new fairing but I deffinitely like the look of the old bike better. Would they looks of the new bike sway you to another brand instead?

thats true!! I dont care about the swingarm double or single but the fairing is ugly AF!

@@Knoxvillemoto nope! i just buy older Ducs. I always have. And a $50000 V4 is out of my price range anyway. I hate owing people!! I dont like that hanging over my head. I hate debt. I wont finance anything except a house. So if i cant pay for it in full up front i wont buy it. that goes for a car or motorcycle. I own 3 Ducs all paid for in full when i bought them.

That is absolutely the smart way to go about it. I don't think most people truly understand how much they are paying in interest for auto loans lol.

I can definitely see that. At first I wasn't a huge fan of the single sided swing arm, and then I came around to it over time. Any interest in buying the 2025?

No arguments here. If they come out with an SP version of the new bike would you think about pickin one up?

I actually bought it in Nashville, but I take my aprilia to @starpowersports in knoxville, and they have always treated me really well. I've never been to the dealership in Chattanooga, but it looks really nice. I'm hoping to stop in this weekend on the way to or from the Talladega gp. Have you been to the Chattanooga dealership before?

Thanks man. That means a lot. Yeah I'd love to get together and ride. Shoot me a dm on my Instagram.

It s definitely one of those personal taste kinda things. At first, I wasn't a huge fan either, but it grew on me over time.

@@Knoxvillemoto I never liked it since I was little. I always thought people only like the way the wheel looks but the bike as a whole looks weird from the right with the wheel just floating and the swingarm looks so ugly on the left side.

I can definitely see that. I think it's a love it or hate it kinda thing for sure.

says a person who doesnt even own a superbike and probably only has a ATV

@@Vforfreedom your ass probably rides a scooter lmao. I do have a superbike and atvs are cool too lol.

I would say that's a very fair statement. I would assume the vast majority of the changes are most noticeable near the limit of performance. I know I am nowhere even near that neighborhood, lol. Thanks for the comment!

yeah thats true because even at trackdays I have never gotten past 165 mph.

@Euphorica lol. It's definitely a looker like the last bike for sure.

@hellfire08 that would be an interesting approach for sure. Makes sense.

that was the original plan!!! I was leaked that info from Bobby at Warhorse back in November last year. Seems Ducati changed their mind on that. only the R was supposed to get a dual sided swingarm.

Ohh wow thats interesting. I wonder what changed their mind.

@@Knoxvillemoto no clue!

I would say your assessment is pretty much spot on.

That's awesome. I'd be really interested to see how you like it. It's definitely growing on me.

Yeah. Someone mentioned that you can actually swap them out for carbon ones as well. I'm curious how it will look with the wings that are a different color from the body. I tend to agree. I think it will be an absolute beast. It's definitely growing on me.

I'll check it out. I personally like the black wings on the current model, so I'll bet that helps a lot.

the central air intake is way too SMALL!!. I am guessing the one on the V4R and corse WSBK V4R will be alot bigger. You need more air into the engine for more power

If you watch my last video where I went to barber and one of the instructors was @cheetah740. He was riding his Z-X10R. Man, Im gonna tell you what, I was thoroughly impressed with that bike, and most definitely, it's rider. Yeah. 10k for an exhaust is pretty nuts, I agree. I love the akros on the Ducs, but I can't bring myself to spend that kind of cash on an exhaust.

Ohh really, that would be really helpful if they could be replaced. I'll go check that out, I'm curious how it changes the look in carbon. I agree. At first, I was like, "Hmm, I'm not sure about the direction they've gone." Over the last few days, it's started to grow on me. Thanks for the info. I'm going to go spend too much time on the configurator now lol.

yeah thats true. i did that and see what you mean. Looks like the wings bolt on too.

Now that would be an interesting combination for sure!

it has to be custom made!! and Suter is not going to because Pierobon is contracted with Ducati corse to build their frame and swingarms.

@@Vforfreedom great info, thanks

@@raymondbauz Suter makes the swingarm and clutches for WSBK BMW and Yamaha and many teams in Moto2

@@Vforfreedom i would love to see how it looks on a ducati

Yep, it is another misstep, ducati does it from time to time. Got my final edition V2 on the way.

Yeah, i dont disagree. I mentioned to someone earlier. I would buy the new generation, but only if I could do so without selling my 24 to do it. I think that the largest significance of the 6 lbs is its location. The reduction of the inertia of the swing arm should have a significant effect on the suspension being able to "follow" the road surface better. Even more so if they were able to keep more of the weight closer to the pivot point. That being said, I've never had any problems with putting power to the ground or rear grip from the 24 model. I suspect that someone would have to be a much more skilled rider than me in order to really be able to extract the benefit out of the new swing arm. I am very interested to see what people think of the electronics package when they ride it. I'll be very curious to see how it sells. Thanks for your thoughts!

Nice! The final editions look awesome!

@DJN4CER that would be cool. I supposed it depends on if there are new sensors that the newer bike has that the older one doesn't . The dynamics and controls algorithms for the IMU data would certainly be different between the bikes as well.

@@Knoxvillemoto @DJN4CER The new bike has 70 sensors and completely new software program. This is the actual advancement of the bike; basically you either do the amount of go (throttle) or slow (braking) and it does the rest. It even adds braking when you do not to keep the bike where it needs to be concerning weight distribution and suspension travel.

@2WheelsSometimes1 yeah, I think ktm has really pushed the trellis frame concept faster than most. I've heard it said that motogp bikes are typically much stiffer than road bikes but I think a lot of teams are coming to discover that compliant components can certainly be beneficial if excuted well. My guess is that the single sided arm stuck around for so long because it was so iconic, even after it had long since ceased to be functionally advantageous. It's fairly telling that no one runs a single sided arm in motogp (though there could be some sort of restriction that I'm not aware of).

I've never actually seen a desmosedici RR in person, but in all the videos I've ever seen they look and sound amazing. I might try to buy one of the new gen V4s if they come out with a V4R version, but I will never sell my 24, just because it looks so incredible. Thanks for commenting!

Makes one think; what are they going to replace the V2 with?

That's a very interesting question and one I hadn't considered. Wouldn't it be interesting if they came out with a less track focused, fully faired v4. That way, they could be free to pursue all the go fast bits one one bike, and more of the styling they are known for on the other.

That is a great question. If I were to wager a guess, I would say it has a lot to do with their recent dominance in MotoGP. A.) They want to bring that kind of performance to their street bike and B.) They want to be able to share technologies between their MotoGP team and their WSBK team. I could be completely wrong, though. I think you hit the nail on the head, though. It seems that they did clearly prioritize performance over appearance. Someone asked me earlier if I would buy one, and it got me thinking.....the answer is yes, I would buy one, but not if I had to sell my 2024 to do it. The 2023-2024 bikes are, in my personal opinion, the best-looking bikes ever made. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

They should have just done the ugly styling for the R version then.

Someone actually mentioned that it was leaked at some point that that was originally their plan. Wonder what changed.

It’s done for homologation for WSBK, BSB, MotoAmerica, ETC.

Very good question man

Lol, kinda looks like it.

this particular bike looks like something chinese owned CF moto would make if they tried to copy or make their own version of a Ducati V4

Lol. Now that you mention it, I can definitely see it.

I'm kinda split. At first I didn't really like the single sided swing arm, and then I grew to appreciate it. I'm definitely excited to see the direction that they are going. It seems like they are really focusing on bringing their tech developments from Motogp to the street bike as much as possible. Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate it!

Yeah, that is a great point. I can absolutely see a lot of these technological improvements having a huge effect on their wsbk teams. It effectively allows them to share technological improvements between Motogp and wsbk better. I hadn't really conscidered that. It's also kind of amazing what they have been able to do in wsbk even despite the limitations of the old swing arm. Thanks for commenting!

Totally agree. I'm going to guess that this design will be a game changer for WSBK. It's crazy since they are already doing so well and in general and already have such strong sales; that they were willing to take a pretty significant risk with the bikes styling. Good on them for pushing the limits. Thanks for comment!

@@Knoxvillemoto The DSSA should have been reserved for the homologation model, the V4R.

That seems to be the consensus of a lot of people so far.

2025 model is a little heavier than 2024 model.

I couldn't agree more. I love the looks of the current bike, but they certainly made a lot of performance compromises in favor of stylistic choices. I'm really curious to see what they can do with the new design. So much current racing technology has been included. Thanks for watching. I really appreciate it!

I’m also a fellow mechanical engineer by education, and a Ducatista, and I agree with this swingarm decision, and I also think it is aesthetically pleasing to boot.

I am not an engineer but I have been saying the new bike might not look as nice as the previous model but it still looks good, has better tech, and better performance. I love the DSSA. Who cares about a swing arm if it still looks good and performs better.

I simply don’t care. I’m an engineer. I bought. 2024 v4s because it looks sick. If any of you muppets actually think your going to get the gains riding in the street your having pipe dreams.

I agree. I did alot of controls engineering in school and early in my career, I'm super excited to see what they do with the new tech package. I also agree about the gills, they are one of my favorite pats of my bike, I can see why they didn't but I will miss them. I think that it's one of those designs that will grow on people over time. Especially once they see what it can do on track. I would really love to get one. I definitely won't rule it out. I'll bet it is an absolute weapon on track. Thanks for the comment!

Ohh dude. It was soooo much fun. I do alright for myself on the street but I get crushed on the track. It's so nice being able to only worry about your riding and not cops, cars, or animals. Trying to learn the track is a ton of fun. Going to a new track in a week or so.

Thanks, man! I'll bet that felt awesome to get the bumped up to intermediate! I don't have a whole lot of perspective since I have only ever ridden on one other track before, but I can't imagine a much better place to spend time than barber. For days after, it seems like all I could think about was where I could improve and getting back on track. I really appreciate the feedback. It definitely helps motivate me to keep trying to improve my riding and my content making.

Thanks man I really appreciate the support and positivity. I'm planning to try to go back around labor day for their 3 day event. If you see me out there absolutely come say hi! It's always awesome to meet fellow 660 riders!