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I am curious? what makes you think its so dumb? I think it borrows from alot of great systems out there like powered by the apocalypse where they use 2d6 for the bell curve of probability. Its the most ideal system for a multi decision framework where you can have 4 distinct outcomes instead of only 2 (Success and fail). You have 4 categories of success which makes story telling alot more dynamic and not just do you succeed or fail etc. Failing with fear is alot worse than failing with hope and succeeding with fear is still a success but with a consequence. There is depth there with just the core mechanic of the game. most smaller systems borrow from this concept or simplify it even more but ultimately its supposed to help tell a story. i am curious as to what is boring about it.

The basics is that the system supports the game master during play without shifting in an out of combat to feel cinematic. Meaning you can in the middle of a fight to convince or intimidate the enemies and if you rolled a success with hope you succeed and they are scared and potentially runaway etc. or if you rolled a success with fear you succeed but then it gives you an opportunity to tack on something else that you may not have initially thought about like, they are scared but one of them sounds their horn to alert others or one of them gets scared and then the boss kills one of them immediately as an example to show how brutal he is and to scare his people back in line (this would not have happened if the success with fear didn't happen and just success, the enemy gets scared and one enemy dies and the rest are hesitant, boss is pissed). Then we have failure with hope, they ignore the intimidation and just charge ahead or show the players how they are more scared of their boss than them. (still giving them info etc.) then if they rolled with fear they would have suffered 2 stress as well as failing, as the rest laugh at them for a pathetic attempt or the boss intimidates back with a brutal line, like "If i see a slight hesitation in your breath, i will make sure it will be your last" or something like that. These options couldn't have happened if it was just a success or fail mechanic like most systems. Powered by the apocalypse introduced this and they took it to a new level. which i love. The idea is that the narrative doesn't stop as soon as the swords are drawn and you say well technically its been 6 seconds so you cant say any more words, we have had many battles where the fight almost came to a halt as the players were conversing with the antagonists. and it felt natural and very impactful as the players learned new information and then decided if they still wanted to fight or not. Mechanically it is all in the dice mechanics, the rest of the character sheet supports the mechanics, like i can deal damage to hp if it is an attack or i say an insult or a sleight and cause stress damage in a social encounter or a powerful force imposing their will on the scene and make them lose hope. Ultimately its heroic fantasy. and with that it still feels awesome to do heroic things but the dice decides how the story goes. Its a great system for future game masters to master as it will make them better story tellers. Not gonna say dnd makes bad game masters but it does lock them in this weird box of being mechanically focused and not focused on the overall narrative of the story, focusing on combat to combat to combat with sprinkles of roleplay in between.

@@dicegoblinnz4769 A very satisfying answer.

Agreed, more content please.

You mean the operational costs etc? If so its not pretty lol, happy to do a video about it! Will see if it might be my next video😁

Your too kind thanks!

😂 fair, will keep that in mind. 😅

I don't know. If playing too much leads to boredom, I'd deem that a problem. Especially with a ttrpg, that should be possible to play endlessly. I for one have not a big problem with DnD Initiative. I think its unnecessarily swingy, but thats true for the whole system imo.

@@felixheitzer2262 if DnD has DH's current system people would be saying the same thing if fixed initiative we introduced today. Just admit you want something new because you play too much DnD

The "mechanic" in and of it self that is inititve is a good mechanic that's why it is widely used in digital games. But when you translate it to the time it takes for players to act and narrate what they do, it becomes a slow and monotonous process and thus the boredom after playing it for so long. It is not streamlined. While in digital games the computer auto randomized the rolls and animates the scene causing thr process to be seemless. When you get a chance to play other systems that don't have initiative and combat ends in 4 die rolls you will see the power of narrative storytelling in a tabletop setting. Masks is a perfect example of this.

​@felixheitzer2262 you are right theoretically you can play forever but that's where mechanical problems come in, and becomes bigger problems the more you play and that's where the boredom comes from it's from doing the same thing 1000 times and you must now do it one more time 😅

​​@@dicegoblinnz4769I know. That's what I meant too. Ttrpg rules need to be adepted to suit the needs of the table. And sometimes shaken up to prevent predictability.

Comparatively to Daggerheart the options are alot more, even if the level up is alot more streamlined after you picked everything, there is the option of multiclassing at any level up and that changes the dynamic if the character. "Mechanical" builds are alot more revelant than the single card option you get at level up from daggerheart. Though you are correct after you build the character everything else is just there. But building another character at higher levels the options are much more vast than you remember just leveling up.

Multiclassing is OPTIONAL, if you can't hack it as a player or DM, ban it.

​@sebbonxxsebbon6824 😂 still an option but your right. Most games allow it so it's almost a cannon rule. I didn't realize it is optional until you mentioned it. And I have sunken over 6500 hours into it 😅

@@dicegoblinnz4769 The problem is there are some really broken combinations, and some are 1 or 2 level dips....kinda tough to disallow it but those 1 and 2 level dips are a problem.

Sick! Good luck! 🎉

Homebrew is so much simpler then dnd by a long shot!

Absolutely! It's a wonderful concept.

I know right! Super excited about it 🎉

Hahahaha! That was one of my first attempts to do an intro and I forgot to add the sound 😆 you will hear something in the newer videos. Thanks for the kind words

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My bad, your right, I just jumped straight in. Appreciate the feedback will keep in mind! 😅

It did but it was so much fun!!!😅

They could have made it so that rolls with Adv/Dis won't generate any tokens.

​@KristerPersson but that would take away from rolls and make players not want to give advantage or disadvantage. Maybe making it cost something like, if it was with fear and turned into a hope the gm can make a GM move. But ultimately it's in testing and we will see how they go about it.

Come on! Your literally playing a fantasy game the idea is for your imagination to go wild! And from a logical perspective. All creatures are humanoid meaning they are the same species biologically. Meaning a giant and a halfling can mate as they have similar biological parts that function similarly with each other. The idea is to give freedom for players to build the character they want and if they can manipulate it mechanically that's even better. Also a player recently wanted to play a kobold. You know what I told them it's a dragaconic and a halfling ancestry, we literally mixed and matched to get that race to work because they wanted a kobold. Also your argument to go and play other systems, there is some combos where people literally create homebrew for or "third party content" on dnd to get different races to be playable. If there is a way to get the character you want without having to jump through so many hoops that's the way you do it.

To give you a picture ... think of giant woman and halfling male.... the halfling does not have to use parts of him to give pleasure.... one can use the whole halfling ;-)

You must be a pretty lame GM :/ (Not you Dicegoblin! You seem awesome!) We're all here playing fantasy games for exploration, imagination, action, and adventure! If someone wants to express an idea, or culture, or whatever else through their character, they shouls be able to do so: in any way they wish! Besides, even if they aren't the same "species" it's fantasy! We already have might and magic. It isn't bound to the same laws and physics.

​@calliopethebonk2863 your right but different people have different preference. And I'm sure they can find a game to cater for thier needs. The beauty of having more choice is something I just love. So having options to mix and match is just soooo cool. I put it as a recommendation in my first feedback form I submitted. Glad they took it into consideration.

Let's go! It's a great system

That's a wonderful idea, the stress variant is great! I have been giving it to my players with only one hope but to give the option changes the dynamic of the game entirely. Maybe even spend a stress to help an ally after the roll. I'm getting excited about the possibilities. 2 hope kinda works but stress makes more sense to me. I will test it over the week. Thanks for this insight!

Appreciate the feedback. I believe I improved my audio in my newer videos. Let me know if it is still not great. That was the first time I tried shooting a video. 😅

I have to disagree with you on that one, for brand new players Daggerheart is a way easier system. If we compare core mechanics between the two systems, you have thousands of spells to look at (possibly dozens of spells if we use only the core rules and level 1 characters), 13 Different conditions, Skills, Races, Backgrounds, Ability Scores, Fall Damage, Saving throws, HP, Exhaustion, Ranges of attacks, Grid area of effect understandings, movement, Action, Bonus Action, Reaction, Critical success, Critical Failure, Initiative, Subclasses, Classes, Spellslots, Feats, Items, Armour Class, Short Rest, Long Rest, proficiency (skills and attacks) For Daggerheart, you have Traits(Ability Scores), Armour, Stress, HP, Action Tracker, Hope, Scars, Fear(not a player problem but they still need to care about it), Evasion, Damage Thresholds, Downtime (Short Rest/Long Rest), Experience, Domains (1 Card per level), Class Features, subclasses, Race, Community, Items, Ranges of attacks, proficiency (attack damage dice), Reactions, Critical Success, Success/failure thresholds, That is 28 things to keep track of (without going into details on the complexity on some of them like conditions) of D&D stuff VS. Daggerheart being 23 things to keep track off. From a player point of view, you have "Cards" to help you keep track of things, which is a genius way for new players since its right there infront of them. The App is kinda meh to be honest on demiplane. D&D beyond is way better as an app to keep track of things and keeping things nice and easy to access. Demiplane is a little clunky especially on the phone. From the DM point of view, its a little harder to run Daggerheart because there is less structure given to the GMs from what they can or cant do. since D&D is more mechanical its easier for DMs to go x,y,z is gonna happen, while in Daggerheart they might need to figure it out during the session. Personally i think it will make better GMs if they learn to be more creative by figuring things out during the session rather than rely on stat blocks or hard rules. That is a preference. I went down a rabbit hole sorry for the winded explanation. Hope it made sense...😅

It makes sense, but it only tackles one piece of the pie. There are also all of the different conditions as you said. All of the different actions you can take (actions, bonus actions, reactions, extra attacks). For a Daggerheart player it is simply “I do the thing I wanna do rn”. Movement distances, attack distances and all having a wide range that requires constant measuring instead of the simplified zones and everyone having the same movement distance. What you can “do” with an action. Help, improvise, dodge, grapple, shove, dash, disengage, cast a spell, hide, ready (ready can get very iffy to explain to newcomers), search, use object… Daggerheart, you do a thing that uses an “action roll” as your action. Simple and straightforward. The only things you really have to learn is hide, moving farther with an agility roll, and bringing able to help other players. Then you’re set. There’s also keeping track of concentrations. Keeping track of all your passives and remembering that the rogue should actually auto-see everything because he has a passive 27 perception. The fact that all spells can fit on a card whereas some spells in DnD could take a player a good 2 minutes to read through if they forgot in the heat of action. I can keep it going, but here’s the point: I have actually SEEN and played with brand new players to ttrpgs on both systems. The contrast is STARK.

​@toa695 interesting you got that experience I played it with 10 new groups and the learning curve for new players was almost similar to dnd if not easier. The way I do it is don't worry about the rules tell me what you wanna do and I tell you what to roll. And they learn through play. You might be right if they are just thrown at the system. Valuable insight. And your right there was alot more I didn't mention but I was focusing on "core" mechanics to worry about. 😅

@@dicegoblinnz4769 I think it’s probably because I play with some very casual players that just want to hop in and for a few hours every now and then, which is totally fine of course, but I don’t think DnD supports that level of investment as well as daggerheart. Daggerheart kinda feels more like a board game you could pull out at any party whist DnD feels more like a commitment I feel.

@@toa695 Never thought about daggerheart feeling like a boardgame, with the cards etc. i can see why you would think so. If your interested in a casual game, look into Tiny Dungeons for a High fantasy type feel or any of the Tiny series. Alternatively look into Fiasco its free online and has a ton of "modules" fun for a game night

I love seeing them in videos too! Glad they are helpful to you too!

Awesome! Let me know how it goes keen to see other GMs try these. I play a one on one session with my wife as well, and the system is so beautiful handling one player. I will work on and release the vampire and werewolf features that I am slowly building for my wife's game soon. 😅

Love the initiative system. It runs so smoothly

Your too kind ❤

Thank you so much! appreciate it! ❤

Oh right - and subbed! ;-)

Thanks! Worth a look into. It's the perfect stepping stone from dnd, familiar enough to feel the same but mechanically it is so much more satisfying. Working on releasing my home brew rules next after 50 games of Dagger heart, to showcase what works etc. Just my own iteration to make the game smoother for my tables.

@@dicegoblinnz4769 So cool! I'd be interested in seeing what you've cooked up - I haven't run a game yet, but I know I like some of what they did with 1.2 and also 1.3. I'll likely mix-'n'-match.

Thanks! It's such a beautifully designed game that I have 10 games happening throughout the week and the interactions with abilities and problem solving between players change so much and yet it all gives such a satisfying results to its conclusion. I have been tweeking things of the game and adding homebrew elements to the system I will be posting a video about that this week. 😅

That's a fair assumption , but reasonable players who are considerate of others will always be mindful of the other players and give them turns, etc. Also, there is an action token resource that each player has, each will have 2 action tokens and can only perform those 2 actions and must wait until the rest have performed thiers. This helps players who are less likely to be acting all the time to shine the spotlight on them. If people are not considerate (which I have some players who weren't in some of my groups) I had to step in as a GM and say right you had two turns let someone else go. We need to remember we are playing a collaborative story telling game. And all on the table need to collaborate to tell a great story. So it is as much as the players who need to be mindful as the GM to be mindful. On my tables we have not suffered from this problem and everyone had a fair share of taking actions.

😂 Brutal! But great idea, might be like a double disadvantage kind of deal. I might test that out this week 🤔

Thanks, hopefully you found some good insights.

Glad you liked it!

Thank you

Thanks for the tip❤️

The Armour is technically nerfed and buffed at the same time. On one hand you are blocking less, but the beauty is they are making it another resource. One of the items had a cool as ability that said you can use 2 Armour slots to become resistant to the next instance of damage. Which is arguably way more useful than blocking with Armour. So the trick is to resource manage. I like it since it gives more options but they can't give you more slots and the same Armour so they dropped it. Overall it's relatively the same but the intent seems to be to make it a resource that players can use like hope and stress. Vengeance got a huge debuff but I have had 4 players use that same build from 10 different games, compared to any other build, that is a huge margin. It was an easy choice because it was strong"broken" so I am not surprised it was nurfed. Was too strong to counter since it just dealt a ton of damage. Honestly I feel it's better this way, means they still deal 1 damage like you said. But it's not major per Armour slot which is quite insane if you think about it. The monsters won't deal with that creature anymore lol😅 Haven't had a chance to read character or race changes yet but that fungal race change sounds amazing!

I have dealt with both situations already and they are both mechanically sound. Because an area of effect can damage your Beatle so that is one way the gm can damage your creature but ultimately it is cool to benefit from that mechanic and get extra evasion. Your getting an entire domain card Just for the evasion increase. Secondly my level 10 Had a Griffin for a companion and basically did all their attacks from the companion and mechanically.It worked fine because all the actions rolled were from the companion and so everything was fit.Did not break the game at all.I basically treated it like a pokemon trainer😂

Forgot to add the last part, movement is fine from the companion, as the game usually gives you the ability to move as part of an attack, and if your companion can move far range instead of close i dont see that as a massive problem and you are mechanically taking advantage of your character and that should be encouraged. i am a minmaxer at heart so i love all creative uses of abilities etc.

Your not wrong but I found guiding the group to different players who haven't acted teaches the players to learn to share the spotlight which is a wonderful skill to learn. My youngest group is a group of 11 year Olds and honestly they are more mature than some of my 20 year Olds 😆

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@@dicegoblinnz4769 That moment when you're happy that in your Evil campaign the DM is not being an Evil DM

Absolutely! 😂

Sure just need to create breakable terrain which im sure we can homebrew it