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PROVING Rocket League Pros OVERCOMPLICATE the Game! 🤷
Breaking down why Rocket League pros are holding themselves back. Simpler, smarter play leads to more wins, and we’ve got the proof!
00:00 - Intro
01:34 - PART 1: RESPONDING TO COMMENTS
02:00 - Comment 2 😂 Yapping
04:00 - Comment 3 🗿❓
06:34 - Comment 4 🥱
07:15 - Comment 5 💎🚗
09:00 - Comment 6 🤦😭
11:47 - Comment 7 🤨Huh?
18:30 - Comment 8 😱 What is cover 2 rotation❓🤣
20:49 - PART 2: PROVING OUR CLAIMS
21:09 - Slow = Win (Statistics)
22:33 - Slow = Win (Evidence 1) 🏆RLCS 2024 Major 1 Champions
32:20 - Slow = Win (Evidence 2) Nowak gameplay
39:00 - Slow = Win [SUMMARY]
41:14 - G2's poor positioning (Evidence 3)
43:00 - Diamonds spacing out better than G2 😬
46:30 - G2's poor positioning
58:26 - G2 don't positi...
00:00 - Intro
01:34 - PART 1: RESPONDING TO COMMENTS
02:00 - Comment 2 😂 Yapping
04:00 - Comment 3 🗿❓
06:34 - Comment 4 🥱
07:15 - Comment 5 💎🚗
09:00 - Comment 6 🤦😭
11:47 - Comment 7 🤨Huh?
18:30 - Comment 8 😱 What is cover 2 rotation❓🤣
20:49 - PART 2: PROVING OUR CLAIMS
21:09 - Slow = Win (Statistics)
22:33 - Slow = Win (Evidence 1) 🏆RLCS 2024 Major 1 Champions
32:20 - Slow = Win (Evidence 2) Nowak gameplay
39:00 - Slow = Win [SUMMARY]
41:14 - G2's poor positioning (Evidence 3)
43:00 - Diamonds spacing out better than G2 😬
46:30 - G2's poor positioning
58:26 - G2 don't positi...
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Видео
Pros are much WORSE than you thought... 🤦
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00:00 Karmine Corp analysis (vatira vs the world) 16:24 Vatira POV - Vatira is the best RL player we have 21:11 Atow POV - Bruh what is Atow doing (Vatira vs all the pros) 33:10 We flow better than pros (Group replay analysis) 1:05:00 All your favorite pros play like this... 🤦(BULLYING ATOW) 1:20:51 Group replay analysis
You wont improve without self reflection
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This video is a live rocket league 3v3 game with commentary then a replay analysis of the game and ball chasing
Womplet's POV 3v3
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My POV from playing Rocket League 3v3. Do you know what the job roles are?
Rocket League Job Role Series + Replay Analysis | Episode 2
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This is a simple series where I record the training of my job role identification in rocket league
Rocket League Job Role Series + Replay Analysis | Episode 1
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This is a simple series where I record the training of my job role identification in rocket league
My first 6 mans with comms
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I played 6 mans for the first time in rocket league, Here is how I did
3v3 gameplay with comms + replay analysis
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I played some comp 3v3s with friends and a replay analysis after, I felt pretty confident on this one
My first SSL scrim
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Rocket league SSL scrims I subbed in for, here is how I did as the lowest rank in the lobby
Rocket league top down SSL gameplay with comms PART 2
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This is what SSL gameplay looks like with comms from a top down view for replay analysis
Rocket league top down SSL gameplay with comms PART 1
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This is what SSL gameplay looks like with comms from a top down view for replay analysis
Rocket league game sense training and replay analysis PART 3
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Training my game sense with bots and trying to understand the game after in a REPLAY ANALysis
Rocket league game sense training and replay analysis PART 2
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Training game sense, awareness, and replay analysis skills to get better at the game
Rocket League game sense training and replay analysis
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I played a bot game to improve my game sense then did a replay analysis to identify my jobs roles, mistakes, and my teams job roles
imma be real, yall are insanely delusional, anyone that thinks this way is a huge sign of being hard stuck and preferring to literally blame the game for your lack of improvement 😭 if you have a winning theory then win, simple as. Pros are pros because they are the best players in the world
Interested to see what you think of Retals gameplay. I’m no expert but I’ve noticed when watching him play 2s that he’s very focused on his teammate position and time and the things you mention a lot in the video. The only thing is he’s not as mechanical as some of the modern pros and a lot of people say that he’s washed
The key to good gameplay is a controlled first man with two 2nd man that can swap to 3rd within reason. You need every engagement to be controlled to have safe follow up which is why teams with closer proximity do better. The close proximity only works however if you have the mechanics to dictate where the ball does and does not go
This also helps explain why g2 is so good. Every interaction is either 2 beats or fully controlled. If you know how boost economy works then you know the sharper mechanics are then the less boost you use and if you manage consistent double beats and controlled 50s or losses then you have a win basically
Flakes vs Dark. So many people just calling Flakes a slow old has been while Dark is the mechanical God. Mechs AND brains = win. The average champ player can hit a decent flip reset or air dribble but won't cover the fucking net.... it's wild. XD. I get called slow and shit on my GC climb each season by champ players I know aren't going to hit GC despite them having better mechanics than me. Fundamentals won't ever change and will always be the most important aspect of the game. ruclips.net/video/tCj5QiNq-HU/видео.html&ab_channel=Feer
Their fundamentals are wrong brother they come from the wrong perspective. Team sport has been around nearly 4,000 years. There is that many years of reference points. RL the only game in the category where players do their own thing. When assessing anything have to start at the beginning. The meta is just a patchwork blanket of ideas, rather than refined understanding. They ignore facts and details that matter in game.
I can't even watch 3v3 games anymore. It's usually terrible nowadays. Everything is a solo play, air dribble flip reset over and over again.. fails so often, when you could pass and make a play with your team. Boring to watch these days imo
I agree unfortunately :/ Pros have figured out that cool mechanics is what gives you recognition, since its mainly the mechanical solo plays you see on twitter a lot. So a lot of players tend to just focus mechanics and seem to forget its a team game
you have too much space inbetween your players even when youre showing your perfect game. proven winning stats are distance to teammates and time spend facing the ball. speed of gameplay doesnt have to do anything with it. the rlcs champs were all middle tier in speed so whats the point of showing that "slow is better"
We actually don't, being further apart makes it easier for our team mates to rotate behind us and it actually leaves smaller gaps on average. If you were to check the stats of gentle mates for example, they were actually on average closer to each other than OXG were. The reason it works is due to coverage, Gentle Mates were covering much more of the field, so it almost didn't matter where the ball would end up since a Gentle Mates player was covering the space anyway, which allowed them to keep possession and therefore keep pressure. So my team's and Gentle Mate's playstyle actually leads to closer distance to team mates on average and more time spent facing the ball. And since you're saying "proven winning stats are distance to teammates and time spend facing the ball" I can guess you didn't watch much of the video, neither did you look at any of our evidence. The evidence we showed was pretty hardcore proof and had an incredibly consistent result upwards of 80-90% accuracy.
I'd recommend the host of this video to check out AirCharged Gaming. (Or anyone for that matter. He shows firsthand how playing smart without much mechanics can get you to champ/gc)
who is the coach
me
On similar skill level the statistics suggest that being behind the ball equals wins, but there are a few things to consider: 1. Is being behind the ball a side effect of a underlying mechanic (like boost preservation, average speed, average distance to mates etc), that actually cause the statistic or is it the statistic itself? 2. Can you beat stronger teams by applying the strategy from point 1 or is it only enhancing the gap you have to weaker teams? 3. Does the slow playstyle hardcounter the fast playstyle but underperforms against more structured and faster teams? Overall after not fully watching the previous and this video your argument is clearly better than angry yt commenters defending their fav pros, but that doesnt automatically mean you are right either. I dont have any statistics besides monkey moon being the player who leaves the least distance to his mates on average and he is the goat, so maybe thats the key to winning, however with g2s playstyle (much quicker than bds) you need more space. So i would guess its a matter of playstyle. I think your analysis has been good for the games you watched and the stats you showed, but obv it doesnt mean much when hundreds of pro games are played each year and g2 have reached every final with a "bad" playstyle. great vids as i said keep it up, waiting for more in depth analysis
100% correct in everything you said (im the coach / main guy from the video). I can't disagree with you, me having a few statistics supporting me does not automatically make me correct. And it still might sound a bit questionable for me to say G2 position and rotate poorly yet they consisntently make grand finals. But the way they win is through mechanical consistency. If you watch their gameplay compared to others, they almost NEVER mess up mechanically (ofc you could mention atomics miss but you also HAVE to take context (pressure, nerves) into account). They're insanely consistent at simply hitting the ball how they want to and where they want to. They're for example the team who's able to solo play the ball from their own backboard/net into the opponents half the most consistently. You dont see many teams doing it yet G2 manage to do exactly this several times nearly every game. And idk if you've noticed in the last few months of RLCS, but i have never seen someone score double taps or sidewall redirects as consistently as beastmode, almost every time he even attempts it he scores it. I hope this makes a bit more sense as to why they've been performing as well as they have. And of course you can look for this yourself by watching some of their games and looking for the difference in mechanical consistency between G2 and whoever they're against.
1. Playing slower and preserving boost leads to being more behind the ball. By using boost your of course gonna move closer to the ball (assuming ur facing the right direction) and you'd need boost to catch up to the ball or even to get ahead of it. And using boost obviously leads to faster physical speed. Thats why in the oKhalid vs Atow section you saw Atow zooming like crazy around the pitch whilst oKhalid was doing the complete opposite, he was rather keeping his boost, making sure they could keep offence, and most importantly he made sure their net was safe. Falcons were NEVER able to score quick counter attacks due to oKhalid's playstyle and everytime they did end up on defence oKhalid made sure both his team mates could get back in time. This was pretty much never the case with Atow. Sorry for the long answer, but in short; the statistic is a side effect of a bunch of different things, but all of those different things that cause the statistic are positive. 2. This exact argument was the reason we decided to show a bit of Gentle Mate's gameplay from the major they won, since I feel like it proved fairly well that it clearly also works against the absolute best teams in the game currently. 3. The "Slow playstyle" isn't really a "Slow playstyle", it's just slower than others who play faster than they need to and overcomplicate simple situations. A fast but structured team would extremely difficult to achieve, since to keep a good structure players would HAVE to slow down eventually to waste time for each other to get resources and reposition. For example gentle mates or my team in this video. If either of us had played a fast playstyle, we wouldn't have allowed each other to rotate behind us in time for them to be able to support us, and we simply wouldn't be able to keep a good structure and we'd eventually lose offence from it. Which is exactly what happens to most teams.
@@nowakschoofs7911 thanks for clarifying and taking your time
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its important to have long breakdowns like this !! leveling up game sense overall
Well said.
Evidence burns hard lads, nice job.
56:40. That challenge/pass was gold. Low resources, quick reactions, understanding of mechs and position.
What an amazing video! I love the host 😍😍 Such a smart guy 🥰
What an amazing video! I love the host 😍😍 Such a smart guy 🥰
I agree womp 🎉❤
commenting anyway because i dont care what you guys say
Fantastic! You two understand how the game is played in a way that can better any player out there exponentially. Rocket League is literally based on the principles of football, and if you don't believe me do a quick Google search of what Rocket League is (car soccer. WHAAAT?!!!! No way!!!). There are basic fundamentals each player should be following to achieve the best outcome, and that can be seen as true in pro replays. Pros really do only get their recognition from titles and mechs, and no one takes a second to consider why they are not nearly as good as people make them out to be. People in the comments, y'all need to shut the hell up about the "y'all have a massive ego this ain't worth it." If you won't take the time to listen to the whole video, where all of y'all's previous questions, claims, and assertions have been answered, you should not be commenting here. That's YOUR ego. They make an argument, they provide evidence. It is your job to make a comeback with your own defensible claim and evidence. Getting defensive and saying they are stupid champs who have nothing but a taste for copium and ego is just a bad look on yourself because A) you'd be surprised these guys' ranks, and B) you're just hooked up to 5 IVs pumping out the good stuff
holy yap
great concept for a video, but the main guy talking is absolutely insufferable
how?
can confirm that
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the only reason pros arent scoring every open net is because theyre pressured. I get this is rage bait content but the way you put off game knowledge comes off very arrogant the same way fans critique professional athletes in real sports. you seem to have no concept of forcing/ball presence which is the most important aspect of the game (there is very little space on the field when everyone on the field is capable of doing anything with the ball) You're thinking very one dimensional as if each play should develop 5 seconds into advance. You can only work with what youre allowed even if it looks rampant and disorganized the priority of high level 3s is forcing the other team into less comfortable positions the most amount of times until theres a spot to capitalize.
terrible take. forcing is by no means the most important aspect of the game
Ego is getting in the way icl 😂
I mean nowak ego 😂😭
@@majic_rl since when does ego change facts..? Every point in the video is still true and relevant, regardless of ego. I'm literally proving in the video that everything I say is correct, I even called several plays before they had happened. On top of that, the FIRST thing I said when switching to one of our own games was "This is gonna be way worse mechanically, its gonna be slower gameplay ... " so how is it an ego thing when i admitted I'm worse?
@@nowakschoofs7911 i am just gonna asume that this is a huge troll but just incase its not... its an ego thing bc u cant even GRASP the slightest bit of how the game has to be played on a higher level, then u put ur average ranked rotation / gameplay above it with the point "well mechanics are gonna be worse" no shit sherlock... the problem is no matter how good ur mechanics would be u would get stomped in the high lobbys with ur "amazing gamesense" because u always give the opponents too much space and time... from the part where u roasted atow it got even obvious u cant comprehend: forces, bumps, any kind of halfrotation or any time management at all... no i aint mad i am genuinly SAD that u somehow dont see ur delusion... with all that beeing said: no pros obv dont play perfect, RLs skill ceiling is wayyyyy too high for that for now
@@nowakschoofs7911 within seconds u started glazing vati for not contributing
@@majic_rl glazed him for stalling time for his tm8's to recover and for actually being a team player instead of throwing himself at it like rise and atow to make it harder on them? yeah on me homie, how dare i compliment him for being a good team player
I don't know how you can watch the 2 hours after 20 mins I gave up. He talks about top 5 team players like it's a gc lobby. If you do the rotation like the theory tell you to, you'll never gonna score at high levels (see the Kaydop team that beaten you, they play good rota and positioning but don't surprise the opponent very much so they will never be top 10 in EU). Great they don't have the same role budy and it's a TEAM. RL has evolved since player can clutch with their mechanical play. I guess that's why Nowak is in Rising League and Atow in RLCS.
nowak would never lose to kaydop
yeah mb g
bruh come back when you can make a clear point with a good conclusion. and maybe a spelling bee would do you good.
Dunning Kruger
Hahaha no.
This man Nowak clearly misunderstands this level of the game on so many levels. Plenty of times even in just the 5 minutes of this absolute yap that I managed to sit through where the player makes the best play he can from a position and he tries to clown on him for it. Targeted video just wanting to go after pro players and talk shit to boost his own ego, despite the fact that he would do absolutely nothing if put on the field with them. Maybe 3/10 coach at best.
Also holy self glaze in the replay. Makes plays that only work because the opponents shit themselves and praises them like he's the fucking Messiah. Peak top 650 in the world, could be so much higher if he would get his head out of his own ass.
Love you arcty <3
he’s not clowning the play he’s clowning the positioning leading up to it what are you talking about
Someone's mad 😂😂😂
@@Schoofsrllove you too ❤
Good video
00:00 Karmine Corp analysis (vatira vs the world) 16:24 Vatira POV - Vatira is the best RL player we have 21:11 Atow POV - Bruh what is Atow doing (Vatira vs all the pros) 33:10 We flow better than pros (Group replay analysis) 1:05:00 All your favorite pros play like this... 🤦(BULLYING ATOW) 1:20:51 Group replay analysis
you think it was a mistake to let rise go instead of atow in kc?
@@jackoplumkin6412 imo, definitely
@@jackoplumkin6412 I don't know the intricacies of roster changes so this is out of scope for me, IMO there are no players on par with Vatira, from what we've been shown during RLCS he's a class above everyone else. Neither Rise nor Atow fit Vatira very well. But I don't know all the players well enough to make a confident and educated guess as to who would work well with him.
@@jackoplumkin6412 imo it'd have been better if rise staid and atow left
which rlcs team u in
Wanna se u play against atow in worlds next year 😂😂
yeah because its rare for coaches to be worse than players, right? The coaches are always better than players, they just choose not to play professionally because it'd be too easy.. right? I hope you realize how stupid a comment like this is 😂 Are you actually saying that because atow is in RLCS and the coach isn't, Atow is automatically a perfect player and can't make a mistake? How does that make sense? Let me ask you, would you comment the same thing if the coach was an RLCS coach? Most of which are GC btw, not even SSL?
Ive beaten bds's coach when bds was dominating so acording to that guy im one of the best in the world right?😂😂😂😂@@nowakschoofs7911
@@nowakschoofs7911take it to a fking publisher
@@nowakschoofs7911 the difference is that an RLCS coach would not just sit there shit talking pros and glazing themself. you just would say something, not elaborate and move on. you just talked shit and did not offer anything of substance.
@@arctix9985yeah because what he's doing here is analyzing entire matches after they're done. within series it isn't possible to have enough time to elaborate on their mistakes and the best thing to do is judt to boost their confidence and morale. the best coaches of rlcs can maybe pull in a few criticism during a series and they would most likely agree with this guy in the video.
This will go over so many heads. 😂
Ooooh and as you say that java obey aint obeying the womplet ways
difficult take
it is but its not a wrong take🙃
A lot of good points. Listen to this man he knows what he's talking about. You should stream it as well next time and have chat interact!
Overall decent analysis a good few teachable moments.
Analysis begins at 6:42
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there is no way youre ssl 😭
holy
That DemoGodRLTTV guy is pretty good