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How I learned to read in Spanish (tips + resource list)
The short version of how I learned to read in Spanish is that I developed a base level of Spanish ability by watching lots of comprehensible input and then read gradually more difficult, but always still comprehensible, material until reaching reading fluency.
I progressed from guided beginner courses on LingQ to graded readers and easy translated kids chapter books. Then I started to incorporate news articles and video transcripts from educational RUclips channels. From there, I started to read easy but adult level non-fiction books. And eventually moved to translated YA fantasy and all kinds of non-fiction.
Now I’m at a level where I can read basically any non-fiction without difficulty....
I progressed from guided beginner courses on LingQ to graded readers and easy translated kids chapter books. Then I started to incorporate news articles and video transcripts from educational RUclips channels. From there, I started to read easy but adult level non-fiction books. And eventually moved to translated YA fantasy and all kinds of non-fiction.
Now I’m at a level where I can read basically any non-fiction without difficulty....
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Are you bad at your target language or just shy?
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Personality and self-image can have a huge impact on your language learning journey. In this video I share how it impacts not just our ability to communicate with others but also we perceive our progress in the first place. I also share some tips for managing anxiety and perfectionism. 0:00 How personality impacts the language learning proccess 2:32 Why it’s important to recognize this 4:47 Wha...
Balancing language immersion and screen time
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Technology allows us to learn languages more efficiently than ever before but this also comes at a cost. In this video, I talk about how I am trying to balance reducing my screen time while still achieving my language learning goals and I also share some tips that I am using to be more mindful about my technology use and stop wasting so much time. What I have found most helpful is increasing th...
How to ACTUALLY learn a language with ADHD
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I have ADHD and know that it can make learning a new language challenging. These 5 tips will help. 0:00 Intro 0:13 Build language learning into your environment 1:10 Block distractions 1:44 Constant goals and rewards 2:26 Join a community and use body doubling 2:54 Let your interests drive you
I watched Avatar at 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 hours learning Spanish
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I watched Avatar at 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 hours learning Spanish
I'm done using YouTube for language learning
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I'm done using RUclips for language learning
This is the perfect beginner book series for Spanish learners
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This is the perfect beginner book series for Spanish learners
Turn your old smartphone into a language immersion machine
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Turn your old smartphone into a language immersion machine
I use both sites for my language learning journey. Dreaming Spanish(DS) feels too hands-off for me, while Refold is a bit too intense. So, I have settled into using DS for 1-2 hours of comprehensible input a day. I also study flashcards, use Pimsleur, and listen to as much passive Spanish as I can, even when I don't understand the words or the meaning usually música or shows. Along with random RUclips videos, some Memrise, and anything else that catches my interest, I'm keeping the process fun. I feel like I'm getting the best of both worlds, tailored to my needs and abilities.
This is very similar to what I did! Mostly following DS and getting lots of comprehensible input while also using flashcards!
The real secret is just doing both of these. I use Dreaming Spanish every single day (1,400 hours right now) and supplement with the ES1K deck from Refold and I read. These two are made for one another.
This is basically how I approached it too!
I fall into the category for Dreaming Spanish as someone who doesn´t necessarily enjoy a lot of the content. I do typically like Agustina´s videos about history, travel, geography, etc. That´s not to say I like zero percent of what the others put out but just not consistently, so it makes it a little disheartening when I find a lot of it kind of boring.
So basically just immersion... I recommend Migaku, which is paid and language reactor or better said comprehensible input but the crosstalk is a fascinating, never heard about that
Thanks for sharing! One of my goals is to be able to read Percy Jackson in Spanish. The mini stories on LingQ don't capture my attention enough even though I appreciate the purpose of their structure. I normally listen to Spanish teaching podcasts and follow along with the transcript on LingQ
The biggest problem I see with DS is that it takes a very long time. If you're devoting 1 hour per day, it will take you FOUR YEARS to reach 1500 hours. If you're devoting two hours a day, it will still take TWO years before starting to even try output. And that's just to START with output. Of course, when you first start outputting, you're going to have a whole new set of learning to do. I don't see DS as being a good method by itself. It's a good source of material to leverage comprehensible input. But unless you're willing to spend a very long time for low-effort methods to eventually pay off, it should only be a PART of your learning plan.
According to the DS method, outputting is optional at 600 hours and recommended at 1000 hours.
@@DoomscrollToFluency Oh, my mistake. I guess I got the specific number wrong. Now that I've said that, perhaps you can try to actually see the forest through the trees to recognize that my point still stands.
@@handle-dash-numbers there is a big difference between 600 hours and 1500 hours. Also, DS is not a ‘low effort method that eventually pays off,’ it is a method built around the idea that output abilities are a result of a strong mental model of the language- the only way to develop that is through lots of input. It is paying off the entire time because you are developing and expanding your mental model. Other popular input based methods also typically recommend some amount of time at the start where you are just getting input.
@@DoomscrollToFluency Are you honestly this stupid that you aren't getting the point, or are you intentionally being stupid so that you can avoid the point? Sure, 600 hours. Do the elementary school level math. At an hour a day it will still take you two years to get there. At two hours a day, it will still take you a year. That is an extremely long time to wait before you start outputting. THAT is the point, you damn moron. How does it feel to be such a waste of oxygen? Your whole existence consists of making money off ad revenues from RUclips videos where you say stupid garbage, and then double down on that stupid garbage.
My perspective is a little different. I have a solid foundation of grammar and vocabulary but still had the habit of translating in my head which inhibits my conversational skills. A video on RUclips recommended comprehensible input as a solution to this problem. I have no idea the why but watching the DS videos has greatly improved my conversational skills. I hear the Spanish and I respond in Spanish without the stop off at English in both directions. Even though they speak slower than normal, it helps me process faster Speakers.
That's awesome! I'm happy DS is working for you.
Hace unos meses empecé a leer libros en inglés en voz alta y descubrí que el tiempo de mi concentración aumentaba considerablemente y que muchas palabras, que aún no había dicho, en mi cabeza sonaban bien, pero cuando intentaba decirlas, mi boca no era capaz de pronunciarlas correctamente. Así que, creo que con este método también estoy trabajando la pronunciación y la musculatura de la boca. El punto negativo es que lo hago en todos los lugares donde suelo leer, como la playa, la piscina, el salón de mi casa... y a mis hijas y mi mujer les da mucha vergüenza estar a mi lado xD. No sé si le servirá a todo el mundo, pero para mi funciona muy bien. Gracias por los consejos.
I have been meaning to practice reading aloud! I’ve heard it’s really helpful but have only tried it a few times.
When I set out on the Spanish learning journey I bought Cuentos de Eva Luna by Isabel Allende to read when I could. I read it in English years ago and loved it. I’m only at just under 200 hours with Dreaming Spanish but I use LingQ and Lingopie to read and listen at the same time. I enjoy it.
I feel like I am seriously missing out not having read her books. She has been on my list for a while!
I like your idea of a “goal book.” Brilliant.
Let me know what you choose if you choose one :)
@@DoomscrollToFluency The Master and Margarita. Every Russian will tell you that it’s untranslatable. It is now officially my goal book.
@@flinput great choice. Fantastic story.
“When you read easier stuff, you can read more stuff. And when you read more stuff, you get better at reading and can read harder stuff.” Amen.
I have the first 5 books in Juan Fernandez Spanish For Beginners series. They build in difficulty level but I found them easy and interesting to read.
I have heard great things about these!
This is so true & such a great reminder!!
Learning to be as kind to yourself as you are to others is SUCH a valuable skill!
Yes!!
Some really helpful insights here! AND this makes me want to try watching Avatar in Spanish 😄
I'm glad you enjoyed it! and absolutely do! It's such a fantastic show.
I love your videos though I’m terribly biased (I did 2.5 years or so of DS. The best IMO). Great stuff! Keep up the nice work. Have you ever tried crosstalk?
Thank you!!! and I have done ~75 hours of crosstalk (give or take a bit) and am planning on making a video on it at some point!
I needed this video today. Thank you.
I appreciate it! and your 1300h update video is awesome!
Well said!!! Also, what a relaxing video.
Thank you!
You mention about taking Spanish in school for years and lessons etc . Did you include those hours in how long it took to be fluent ? If not , how many hours in and out of DS has it taken you , Total ? Nice video by the way . Very encouraging .
I took two years of Spanish in middle school over 15 years ago. While it's impossible to say for sure, I don't think they really made any difference. I could not understand any spoken Spanish when I started DS, did not remember vocabulary from the classes outside the words that have sort of just become part of american english (like hola, adios) and I was conversational around 1000h of Dreaming Spanish. Right now, I am at around 2400 hours total.
@@DoomscrollToFluency Thanks man.
Thank you for mentioning this series. I need to do more reading in Spanish.
Let me know what you think of them!
The best option is both!
This is basically what I did!
Cool story, mate
TLDR: there are more efficient ways of learning Spanish at half the time. How bad do you want to learn Spanish? 1500 hours is quite the devotion and frankly that many hours you should get some kind of Latin American citizenship! That's 4 hours a day for 7 days a week for 52 weeks. And that's still not 1500 but rather 1456 hours. So the claim is in a year studying 4 hours a day you could be fluent in this target language (never mind all of your "wasted efforts" but in reality you have still learned something from each of them). That's a lot and after that much time for Spanish, you'd better be fluent! Especially almost half of the time you are not doing anything but watching videos. I am a Generation Xer and that just seems like a lot of wasted time on the computer or in front of a screen. I look at it this way, millions if not billions of people have learned a foreign language. Think of our brave servicemen and women who have braved DLI, I don't know how it is today but back in the day (yeah I know I'm old) it was simply a record or tape player and the instructor who didn't speak English (on purpose). These people go down afterwards and help out in country, conversating with the natives, teaching them, and making allies. While most of our learning isn't going to be for such noble causes, we still have to decide how much time we are willing to spend in order to communicate with our Brothers and Sisters in Christ. At 600 hours you should be able to get through a basic conversation (conversational fluency) and be able to read anything even if you don't understand it all.
Yea but learning a language is not quick no matter how you go about. When you were a baby, you got 1000s of hours of English input from your parents/environment before you even spoke your first word. 600 hours is only 4 months at a full time job. To go from 0 to fluent in that time would be highly unlikely.
OK, but you realize you're comparing two very different things, right? DLI aims to get its students to a basic conversational proficiency at 600 hours. Dreaming Spanish's plan aims to get its students to a much higher level of fluency, so of course it's going to take longer.
I dislike the Refold method because it feels way too tedious and like you have to micromanage every single minute of studying. I'm not the kind of person who could enjoy sentence-mining, flash cards, and the other methods they advise especially since I've used Dreaming Spanish. Dreaming Spanish is way less effort and still gives pretty good results. Refold takes all the fun out of language-learning for me because it feels like you have to do it basically full-time to benefit
It's so interesting to me how each method works for some but not for others. Everyone has to figure out what works for them!
How do you keep hitting with these video themes, most of these have been so relevant it's amazing, this was served up mid scroll wasting time between my input for today, ironically useful in retrospect for it to hit then. The time wasting spiral is terrifying when you step back and see the Web of distraction and wasted life, ironically slamming in 7 hours of video content with DS is what helped me realise the large chunks of "useless" time I've had up until now. Also how I do have all this free time to be used for more useful means, once I get my spanish to maintenance I don't think I'll want to fill the void with scrolling ever again. Good video, I got more input ahead now. The few English words I've heard today were from you lmao. Worth it.
The web of distraction- Exactly!!! There were so many times where I’d get 2 or 3 hours of input in a day but realize that it was accompanied by like 6 hours of looking through random nonsense of Instagram or Reddit. It’s such a challenge to stop that while still allowing yourself access to the good parts of tech and language immersion!
@DoomscrollToFluency it's not an easy task to undo conditioning, it's fucked but that's how the companies want us, on those apps mindlessly consuming. More profitable for them to run ads that way and it also holds an unbelievable sway on the minds of the users. We slipped into a dystopian future without the cool shit and we didn't even notice. It's so hard to balance the language immersion within this web of distraction no matter the strand you find yourself on, at every corner no matter how many plugins you use to disable the algorithm based attention traps it'll never be fully removed because at the core of all of these sites user retention is the main goal. Honestly that's why I like the idea of the Dreaming Spanish platform, I go there. I see only spanish immersion content, it's my gateway to yt without the distraction. Imo the future of language immersion and educational content in general on these sites lays within the ability to filter out the unwanted noise and provide it directly like Pablo has done for DS.
I’m 71 so don’t have a strong connection to screens but nevertheless spend far too much time looking at them. Food for thought here.
It is absolutely wild how quickly they went from new technology to completely ubiquitous! I appreciate you watching the video.
I used DS almost exclusively for about 600 hours. I found that I didn't need video, and and switched to podcasts in Spanish. However my motivation is for Neuroplasticity not because I will be traveling, grammar isn't important. Any language acquisition isn't a smooth increasing line. Some days its like pushing a boulder uphill in waist deep mud, you might have to go back to an easier level from time to time, it's ok I have the rest of my life.
This video is AMAZING!!!!! DS needs to hire you to make commercials for them...en serio! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Haha thank you so much. I'll keep an eye on my inbox in case they want to message me 😂 and I have been following y'alls journey for a while! love your videos.
Helpful video once again, glad I've painfully worked all this out but I'm glad the infos here for people who need it
trust me, I'm right there with you. haha
@DoomscrollToFluency doin good work putting all this here 🫡 I'll probably consider videos or some form of information sharing once I'm further down the line to hopefully help this same way for people after me like you have here, I'm the dumbass 7 hour a day vamp lol
@@MsVampyBoo Yes! absolutely share how the ultra-speed run goes haha
Brilliant! This video is great. Sincere, honest, and correct. There are a lot of us with parallel experiences. DS also unlocked my ability to listen to podcasts, so driving gives me more input using time that otherwise is not well used. Also, some of us with the DS experience are making content for people to learn our language, in my case English. I am referring to two RUclips channels, Input English and English Input. DS is building a community of committed language learners. Thanks for a great video!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! It really is awesome how many comprehensible input creators there are, and that number is growing every day! I think language learning will look very different in the next 5 years.
I'm so tired of their omnipresent advertising. It's not a method, just a website. There are hundreds of websites/channels like that.
There are tons of great Spanish comprehensible input creators!
Can you share a few? I’m looking for other channels as well
@@ciarra0328 Spanish After Hours, Español con Juan, Story Learning Spanish, Spanish with Alma are a few great ones!
Don’t watch it!
Great to see a ‘side-by-side’ review. I’m definitely a fan of Dreaming Spanish but being at a little less than 150 hours the type of content frustrates me no end. One, it’s boring and two, I keep thinking ‘but people don’t actually speak like this’. I do not watch anything that labels itself as ‘slow Spanish’. Despite the frustration, I do love the ease of the DS approach. I’m trying to ramp it up a bit by finding podcasts, Español con Juan for example, where transcripts are available. I listen first, then listen again reading the transcript. If I find not knowing a word really blocks my understanding I look it up in a Spanish-Spanish dictionary, no translations. I’ve only just started this process but I feel good doing it because I’m hearing Spanish at a pretty normal pace (Juan speaks quite quickly). I have no idea whether this will actually speed up the process but as I said, I feel good doing it.
I think the fastest approach is the approach that you love doing, and therefore will do more. So if you want to skip the 'for learners' content and jump straight into watching dubbed cartoons, that absolutely will work. I personally enjoyed the DS videos a lot and still occasionally watch them if they seem interesting but if you don't like them, finding something else is for the best.
There's a lot to appreciate about both methods, and I've used both. However, input only learning can be counter productive in the long term. Too much emphasis on input without any concern about output will slow language learning in my experience. If you want to learn to read Spanish, you have to read in Spanish. If you want to learn to speak Spanish, you must speak in Spanish. Input and output have their own learning curves and are mutually supporting.
Personally, I think output practice is beneficial but only once you have a sufficiently formed mental model of the language. That is, until you have that, output practice is not beneficial, but once you do have that, it is helpful.
@@DoomscrollToFluency Toddlers begin output pretty early on, and well before they have any grasp of grammar at all. Output also gives the best encouragement and feedback. I'm all for tons of comprehensible input, but the extremism of stunting output is an obvious mistake.
@@Pedro-bk1ic But by the time toddlers start outputting, they've already had a lot of input. DS doesn't discourage output forever. It simply encourages delaying until one has had enough input-same as a toddler.
@@Pedro-bk1ic When toddlers begin to output words, they understand most of the words they can't say. when toddlers begin to output sentences they understand almost every form of sentence there is. Output's learning curve might not be the same as input, but it's dependent on your input learning curve. In refold method you stall outputting until you feel you want to output,, that's different for different people and it can be as early as 100hrs in. any output before that, you're simply building bad pronunciation habits as your brain is not even picking up on the voices and is just mapping it to your native language.
Cool video
@@Jeanpierrer148 thank you!!
bro, do you have an Instagram account or discord ?
when you say you're watching content and listening, were you using target language subtitles or none at all in your journey ?
I use target language subtitles sometimes but also make sure to spend a lot of time with no subtitles. I never use English subtitles.
@@DoomscrollToFluency from those 2000 hours you did, how many would you say were with subs ?
@@endouerick7519 oh lord. I don't know if I could even give an estimate. haha I didn't track that at all. I've gone through different phases. At the start, I basically never used them but then had different moments messing around with tools like Language reactor and migaku and watching different types of content where I used them. I wish I could give a better answer but I have no idea what % of time I spent with them!
bro, if you have an Instagram or discord. would you mind texting ? 🫡 I'd love to exchange more about language learning 💪
I am now at 1200 hours of Dreaming Spanish CI. I recently started doing CrossTalk. I am still waiting for the language to emerge naturally. I think the DS Roadmap is a little optomistic with the hours. Thanks for the video.
I love your videos! I've been following your journey for a while now!!!! and I am planning on making a video about that exact topic at some point!
I find it way way too optimistic .
Even tho im not learning Spanish rn it is a language i wanna learn im learning German and i kept hearing about dreaming Spanish and comprehensible input and that what made me make a new yt account for German only videos and comprehensible videos but i always felt like I wasn’t learning anything but after seeing your video i will continue with the process but the thing im confused about is when i was on the sub Reddit i saw one post on how to watch the videos and they said try and get the gist of it but i do t understand what they mean by get the gist of the video but i wanna thank you for this video and i hope you do well in life and stuff and once im done learning German. Spanish,Russian,Chinese will 100% be the language i will learn next but with only comprehensible input
thank you so much for watching! and for, getting the gist just means that I am generally able to follow along with the overall story of what is happening. I don't necessarily need to understand all of the dialogue in a certain scene but if I can generally summarize what happened to myself ( like, "oh he was complaining to his roommate about the noise") than I know my brain is picking up stuff. You can also use something a little more specific than that, like the refold comprehension levels: refold.la/roadmap/stage-2/a/levels-of-comprehension/
Just found this channel, might be one of the best ones in the topic of language learning. Keep up the good work!
thank you so much!!!
Thanks for the tips! Quick feedback - the background music in the video is too loud and makes it hard to hear your voice. I think it'd be much clearer without the music.
I appreciate that and am going to be more mindful of the music volume in future videos!
So don’t use the subtitles in Spanish?
If you want to strictly follow the Dreaming Spanish method, no subtitles are recommended. Here's what their FAQ says on the subject: "Real-life speech doesn't come with subtitles! Even if you're in a learning environment, reading the subtitles distracts from the key activity of developing a mental image of the sounds of the language in your brain."
Great video!
Thank you!
Great video!
Great video!
Great video and great point of View 😀
Thank you! :)
I feel so honored to be on the thumbnail haha!! I’m so glad our videos have helped you ❤
omg! 😭thank you for all your work! I started using Dreaming Spanish right before you joined the team and your videos have always been a highlight.
Hi Agustina :D
Can vouch the method works. You properly acquire the language just as the natives do
I have been trying to focus on one language parent, and I do get bored at times, so I do listen to other content so that I don’t get burned out. I like the language family idea. Very nice! Thanks for sharing!
That was my experience with language parents as well! I hope the language family helps!
Wish the music was a little quieter. Sometimes it’s hard to make out what you’re saying sometimes
Thanks for letting me know and noted for future videos! I’m learning.
@@DoomscrollToFluency you bet. Still a great video and I’ve watched your others. Appreciate all the tips and suggestions for language learning
Should one try this if they’ve never watched avatar? I’m 430 hours but I might save it to 500
You can always watch one episode just to test it out! I bet you’ll be able to understand a decent amount.