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Many people would love to see a conversation in person on this. I love you guys and I love Right Response.

Appreciated this discussion brothers Very informative

The ordinary Christians have no idea what anti-PWC is or how bad its attendant ideas are, so they’re just confused. Meanwhile, most of those in the “know” don’t seem to think that racism actually is a sin, so they’re biased toward anyone supporting anti-PWC

The ordinary Christians have no idea what anti-PWC is or how bad its attendant ideas are, so they’re just confused. Meanwhile, most of those in the “know” don’t seem to think that racism actually is a sin, so they’re biased toward anyone supporting anti-PWC

Looks like this Declaration is getting ratioed here as well as on X.

It seems that all the Joel/Wolfe/Conn/nazi memes are not sinful fans have really missed anything said here and as said either their attention is really not that great, for those who watched and did not understand a word that was said and misrepresent the people from the video in their comment or clearly they hear all of it and misrepresent them because their presuppositions in loyalty to Joel and alike group instead of Biblical truth and reality takes priority....

Wow. Thanks. There is a lot to learn.

The Antioch Statement is a poorly written reactionary trainwreck that will be forgotten soon enough. Wilson and White defending rhe slanderous Tobias is a disgrace.

The comments toward the end are brilliant and apply very much to the state of Christian churches today. Kirkiguard was right - what happens in must churches and the institutional church model are like hospitals that administer poison and indeed there is little or few that experience genuine transformation and authentic Christian living. I guess that shows that the churches today are mostly filled with goats as opposed to sheep. So somehow the church has a form of godliness but lacks its true transformative and unapologetic power. Yes - that is the case today and I struggle to see how the institutional church that is in place today can ever recover to counter this decay. I presume there will only be almost a remnant xhirchbidbrenegades that actually are the sheep who hear God’s voice and are there sheep of his pasture. And all these other false Christian’s will one day stand before rhe Lord in judgement and try to defend themselves by saying “lord, lord - didn’t we do this and that in your name?! And he will speak plainly and say - depart from me - I never knew you and you never knew me. In other words - in addition to the masses being lost, there is also a large portion of the professing Christian’s they aren’t saved at all. They are hirelings and false believers and they will be revealed as goats among the sheep . Mits time for us wax individually to be the sheep . Be the ones that actually hear his voice.

In a different comment I shared my thoughts on the cowardly deception that others attempted when they criticized Aaron for his tone. But I do think there is a larger more fundamental issue that people in church leadership still somehow don’t seem to grasp. All they Aaron said is true about what has been done to society and the church, and how deliberately divisive th e the LGBT issue has become . Satan does know that a house divided cannot stand and so he has effectively divided most Christian denominations. Here is where the church somehow messed things up: A couple of decades ago when the LGBT issue was still small and fringe - the church allowed the discussion move quickly to a false Hegelian dielectric . The two viewpoints posed to the masses are either lgbt should be accepted or it is a raging sin worse than most others. When what the church really somehow is not good at saying is simply: Sin is not an arbitrary list of don’ts from a God they is holding out some great pleasure or joy from his people. Sin is not really even a forced commandment - our free will allows us to choose whether we will agree and trust and follow God’s ways - or not. Why is sin always held up as something harsh from a mean god? When in reality what scripture describes and commands as sin are really loving protections that the Lord tells us out of his love for us. Doesn’t this deliverybshowing God’s genuine love and care for us make all the difference? Doesn’t that change the completion of all things in the Bible if we really trusted and believed that God is our loving father who tells us these things for our own good - not his. If the church explained sin this way I think it would disarm a lot of anger and mistrust. A car manufacturer publishes its printed car manual and includes it with the car. Why? To hold back and encourage the car buyer to have a lousy or less good experience with the car? It is the manual written by the design engineers intended to help you enjoy and use safety and get the most miles possible out of the car. And when that manual tells you what grade of oil or gasoline is it from a mean engineer who doesn’t want you to experience the thrill of putting things like kerosene into the gas tank. Is that an unkind engineer? Of course not. So then why is God marginalized or mistrusted or disobeyed when we should know he has our best interest at heart all the time. That concept has never been that simply explained in all my 58 years of life in a range of churches. If the disaster of the prohibition of the LGBT lifestyle were properly explained like that. - wouldn’t they be speaking the truth in love. ?!

In a different comment I shared my thoughts on the cowardly deception that others attempted when they criticized Aaron for his tone. But I do think there is a larger more fundamental issue that people in church leadership still somehow don’t seem to grasp. All they Aaron said is true about what has been done to society and the church, and how deliberately divisive th e the LGBT issue has become . Satan does know that a house divided cannot stand and so he has effectively divided most Christian denominations. Here is where the church somehow messed things up: A couple of decades ago when the LGBT issue was still small and fringe - the church allowed the discussion move quickly to a false Hegelian dielectric . The two viewpoints posed to the masses are either lgbt should be accepted or it is a raging sin worse than most others. When what the church really somehow is not good at saying is simply: Sin is not an arbitrary list of don’ts from a God they is holding out some great pleasure or joy from his people. Sin is not really even a forced commandment - our free will allows us to choose whether we will agree and trust and follow God’s ways - or not. Why is sin always held up as something harsh from a mean god? When in reality what scripture describes and commands as sin are really loving protections that the Lord tells us out of his love for us. Doesn’t this deliverybshowing God’s genuine love and care for us make all the difference? Doesn’t that change the completion of all things in the Bible if we really trusted and believed that God is our loving father who tells us these things for our own good - not his. If the church explained sin this way I think it would disarm a lot of anger and mistrust. A car manufacturer publishes its printed car manual and includes it with the car. Why? To hold back and encourage the car buyer to have a lousy or less good experience with the car? It is the manual written by the design engineers intended to help you enjoy and use safety and get the most miles possible out of the car. And when that manual tells you what grade of oil or gasoline is it from a mean engineer who doesn’t want you to experience the thrill of putting things like kerosene into the gas tank. Is that an unkind engineer? Of course not. So then why is God marginalized or mistrusted or disobeyed when we should know he has our best interest at heart all the time. That concept has never been that simply explained in all my 58 years of life in a range of churches. If the disaster of the prohibition of the LGBT lifestyle were properly explained like that. - wouldn’t they be speaking the truth in love. ?!

It's over for you and your ilk.

Now I understand this whole thing. And learned so much. Thank you men. So grateful.

Forgive my ignorance, but I suppose I am still at a loss as to why the Declare itself was necessary. Why the renewed concern over the meaning of WW2? I thought the issues were long settled: fascism bad; antisemitism even worse, etc. What am I missing? Why a Declaration at all, why now? And please, no responses about Joel or Tobias. I've heard enough of all that.

You guys have dug yourselves a hole, and you just keep digging. The whole thing is ridiculous and you are mostly to fault. Joel is showing the upmost integrity in all of this.

Interesting, that you term this "God applying the brakes...". When I first hear that Trump was running for the 2016 nomination, I was reading in II Kings 9 that morning and it immediately struck me that God was raising up another Jehu to put the brakes on the accelerating Apostasy that had the "Nitrous Oxide" button hit during the Obama (Ahab) administration and would have gone into hyperdrive under a Hillary (Jezebel) administration! First thing that Trump said at his 2016 inaugural address was that he was there to clean out the "Swamp" aka Baal worships and its effects. Of course, Israel didn't repent, and God's judgement still came. When the Enemy comes in like a flood, the Lord raises up a Banner against him! Yet, of course apart from Revival, the great Apostasy will continue to a great judgement by God.

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As a postmillennial theonomist who values scholarly discourse, maybe i’m naive but I’m not aware of a significant concern of Kininism, antisemitism and racism within the Reformed movement. Sorry, but these roughshod podcasts and poorly written declarations leads to confusion and fails to address the core issues if it is even a major concern. The Need for Scholarly Examination A comprehensive, scholarly analysis is essential to thoroughly document and understand the concerns surrounding Kinism, antisemitism and racism in Reformed circles. Such an examination would provide clarity on the extent of these issues and identify any individuals or groups promoting these ideologies. This approach would move beyond anecdotal evidence and offer a well-researched foundation for addressing the problem. Evaluating Specific Allegations Regarding Pastor Joel Webbon, it’s important to assess allegations with a commitment to fairness and adherence to biblical standards. Scripture calls for the establishment of facts by two or three witnesses before accepting accusations, as outlined in Deuteronomy 19:15 and reiterated in Matthew 18:16. This principle ensures that any claims are substantiated and not based on isolated incidents or hearsay. I don’t find that Tobias Riemenschneider’s has reached this threshold for his allegations. As far as he has presented there has been only one witness. Addressing the Broader Issue While individual cases are significant, it’s crucial to determine whether Kinism, antisemitism and racist ideologies represent a widespread problem within the Reformed movement or are confined to fringe elements. A scholarly approach would help in distinguishing between systemic issues and isolated cases, enabling the community to respond appropriately. Conclusion In summary, addressing concerns about Kinism, antisemitism and racism within the Reformed movement requires a methodical and scholarly approach. This involves thoroughly documenting issues, substantiating allegations with credible evidence, and discerning the actual scope of the problem. Such diligence ensures that responses are just, effective, and uphold the integrity of the Reformed tradition.

I got up to 11:57. It seemed there had been events after the portion they were speaking about, so I checked the dates. This was posted 11/26. I just finished Pastor Tobias's, "Liar and Slanderer?" which was posted 11/27. Yesterday, I heard Pastor James White's take on it, "Tobias Speaks, So Finally, So Can I", which was posted 11/28. I think at this point, I do have the most current information. I was staying away from this mess. But since several channels I watch kept mentioning it, I could no longer ignore it. My problem has been that I have been locked out of Xitter for 2 1/2 years. So I had not been following this. And every time I started to watch a video, there was no recap/background. It was like coming into a conversation in the middle. There was no point even continuing to listen because I didn't know most of what was being discussed. Now, from those two long videos, I do know. The whole thing has been shocking. For a long time, I thought I was imagining the current rise of Jew hatred among professing Christians. I removed myself from Gab some time ago because of such comments. I thought I was imagining things. How horrifying to learn that I was not.

I love how every one of these Anti-Tobias clowns have been proven utterly wrong and slanderous themselves by the releasing of both of Tobias' responses and the full recording of the Zoom call, but none of them have the balls to own up to their flagrant sins. I think this whole ordeal has truly been providential in revealing the racist and cancerous wolves in our midst that need to be taken out back and horse-whipped lol Joel has spun a false narrative for a straight month, and all his cronies screeed from the rooftops against not only Tobias, but also mighty men of God and titans of the faith, but if they had simply used Biblical wisdom and applied cross examination, then they could have saved themselves the embarrassment of looking like complete asses.

Yes the fight was rigged lol .. very obvious

So-called racism and antisemitism are never listed as sins in Scripture. Accusing the brethren falsely, however, most certainly

This statement made you both look like incels.

Watching this when you have no idea what they are talking about is quite annoying, please get to the topic quicker next time.❤

Let there by a lovely solution to this all, given the fact that the faith community already has many enemies from without...

Oh, sad rift between the courageous leaders...

As many others have said, the AD has been partially accepted by every detractor I've listened to. Without exception they see the inclusion of Tobias and the timing as deal breakers for signing it. What DW says at 21:40 just isn't the case. I'm done. I've heard enough of this one.

Come on. Doug Wilson and James White both made public statements about this controversy without naming Joel explicitly. If those comments were not about Joel but some other mysterious meme-allowing pastor then why hasn't DW and JW explained this as to make it clear that this claim that the first they're hearing of the controversy was Joel's video on the matter. So, you wrote a blog critical of Joel on the matter, and JW threatened to "name names" (both of these before Joel's video on the Tobias call), but you didn't know about it before Joel's video ? Don't believe the gas lighting here folks. Surely both DW and JW knew about the Tobias controversy before Joel's video.

Interesting how this Antioch Declaration pounds the drum of Neo Nazism and Antisemitism, but blatantly ignores the evil/sinful/racist influence of the late pseudo theologian James Hal Cone, & his Black Liberation theology, within too many (White and Black) American churches. I have personally been on the receiving end and experienced anti-White racism from a well-known former SBC Black pastor. Not that that automatically makes anti-White racism a problem in American churches, but my personal experience definitely supports the idea that James Hal Cones Black Liberation theology (and guys like Eric Mason) has made a major negative impact within the American church that also resonates in our American politics, economy, public school systems, businesses, entertainment and sports industry, etc. Point being- White Europeans are not the only race/cultural/ethnicity that struggles with the sin of racism. It is in every race/culture/ethnicity, so address all of it.

I am disappointed that it took 18 minutes to get to the Why of the 'Antioch Declaration'. 18 minutes of talking about some meme and personal dispute of which I and probably most could care less about. The 'other' side is just as guilty I'm sure. I have high regard for Joe and Doug. Need to separate the topics. Antioch or 'the other guy' but not both.

How about delay the release of the Antioch statement until you reach a resolution and reconciliation with the guy you accused of facilitating the rise of antisemitism in the reformed church. Doesn't take a genius.

PSA: Doug has selective hearing for the responses of nazi sympathizers and hateful young men only

It's amazing that in EVERY RUclips video on this matter, the comments are overwhelmingly critical of those on Tobias' "side". Also they are measured, genuine and disappointed in those who were essentially involved in the AD, which I would include myself in. Seriously when the overwhelming comments are leaning one way from people who are clearly Christian in every sense surely that should give pause?

Thanks for the forecast! I have a quick question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?

How can we reason with such bad faith men? They think we would hand over Chinese Christians to our own secular authorities because our blood bond and ethnic love overrules the love of Christian brother. They ranted on that precise topic for almost 10 minutes.

:sigh: Their errors and arrogance are so exhausting

Grateful I have no idea what all the drama is about. Hopeful that I don't have to waste any more time on it.

You guys have lost whatever good intention you had when starting this process. Stop being an example of moral grandstanding empty piety and repent and seek reconciliation.

Sin and obfuscation to cover sin. Sin begets more sin unless there is repentance.

I thank you, Dr Boot and Pastor Wilson, for being faithful shepherds. You are trying your best to guide and protect the church. Be assured that, despite all the angry pushback, there are many of us who appreciate you.

“Worldview” mention in the first minute.

I agree with you guys that family & national loyalties are not absolute. However, some of us have been raised by globalists who tried to tell us the Gospel means that family & national loyalties & obligations *should not exist* and that it is a*sin* to, for example, support your own children before a stranger's. It's very frustrating.

This whole thing needs to go away. This declaration is not necessary!

Ezra Institute, Doug Wilson, and James White need to understand that their arguments and attempts at applying the word “anti semitism” to todays day and age are simply not persuasive - and that does not mean the Christian’s we are not persuaded are in sin. Shocker! Joe Boot quoted French Revolution: the problem is we got rid of Christian elites and now largely have non-Christian elites (including Jews) and the fruit of our societies is much worse compared to fruit under Christian elites Therefore we want Christian elites and not non-Christian elites (including Jews) which has been deemed “anti-Semitic” and “fascist” and “Neo nazi” because one time Hitler murdered Jews. Christians all agree thou shall not murder, but that shouldn’t mean we can’t point out or revisit other positive aspects or options of government that the Post-War-Consensus freaks out about

Ezra Institute, Doug Wilson, and James White need to understand that their arguments and attempts at applying the word “anti semitism” to todays day and age are simply not persuasive - and that does not mean the Christian’s we are not persuaded are in sin. Shocker! Joe Boot quoted French Revolution: the problem is we got rid of Christian elites and now largely have non-Christian elites (including Jews) and the fruit of our societies is much worse compared to fruit under Christian elites Therefore we want Christian elites and not non-Christian elites (including Jews) which has been deemed “anti-Semitic” and “fascist” and “Neo nazi” because one time Hitler murdered Jews. Christians all agree thou shall not murder, but that shouldn’t mean we can’t point out or revisit other positive aspects or options of government that the Post-War-Consensus freaks out about

Ezra Institute, Doug Wilson, and James White need to understand that their arguments and attempts at applying the word “anti semitism” to todays day and age are simply not persuasive - and that does not mean the Christian’s we are not persuaded are in sin. Shocker!

All of this fanfare over this medocre Declaration has become obnoxious and a complete waste of time. Another theatrical production sponsored and spurred on by the nefarious hand of social media and mans desire for his self promotion and omnipotent presence and an insatiable longing to justify some new promotion of a particular theological bugaboo.Proverbs 23:6 ,7. Instead of the delicacies of meat and drink we have the delicacies of an overreaction to the folly of biblical arrogance and self aggrandizing puny personalities who desire attention for all the wrong reasons. It is high time that the true people and men of God sanctify social media platforms for better and more fruitful usage that tends to the glory of God and the promulgation of the authentic gospel of our Lord Jesus. A video like this was so predictable. Naturally Doug Wilson the language mastermind has to be front and center. How I lament the golden age of radio and literary output rather than the evils that have prevailed by immediate access to podcasts and RUclips which move as fast and furious as white-water rapids. No doubt this video will be watched and be the subject of further debate and banter over the Antioch Declaration. The Soap Oprea continues.

This is very frustrating. I love the Ezra men but RJ Rushdoony was convinced the Holocaust narrative affirmed in the Antioch statement was actually a dangerous lie and product of WWII propaganda. Rushdoony is prophetic when he speaks of the evils and upheavals the false Holocaust narrative would produce downstream. The Antioch Declaration and division surrounding it is an example of this. Rushdoony’s is not a fresh take. Ezra doesn’t seem to budget for the power of war propaganda, instead they’re taken in by it.

I wonder if you, in part, released the declaration when you did because you knew it would receive more play, get more eyes on it, draw more attention to it in the midst of this controversy. If true, I’m not sure how to feel about that.

The timing of the release of your declaration is suspect, guys. Please watch Jon Harris’ discussion with Joseph Spurgeon, especially 1:21-1:31. Spurgeon’s declaration is very good, as well. I wish you guys would be more thoughtful toward Webbon’s group and those who support them. Jon Harris put out a very good video about navigating this issue between Joel and Tobias. He has a very balanced take that is fair to both sides and comes from a place of reconciliation. Thanks