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The LSAT Demon is an LSAT study tool from Thinking LSAT Podcast hosts, Ben Olson and Nathan Fox.
Ben and Nathan have been teaching the LSAT for over a decade, and the Demon features their expert explanations and lessons.
The Demon uses only official LSAC licensed questions. Sign up for Demon Free, and check out our Live subscription to get 30+ hours of weekly instruction at www.lsatdemon.com.
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Ben and Nathan have been teaching the LSAT for over a decade, and the Demon features their expert explanations and lessons.
The Demon uses only official LSAC licensed questions. Sign up for Demon Free, and check out our Live subscription to get 30+ hours of weekly instruction at www.lsatdemon.com.
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What If I Can't Predict the Answer? | Thinking LSAT, Ep. 492
The best LSAT students frequently predict the correct answer. But what do you do if your prediction isn’t there? This week, Nathan and Ben revisit their adaptable approach to prediction. The guys also share test-week advice for a February LSAT taker. They weigh in on binding early deferral programs. And they examine a law school in turmoil.
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Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com
Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans
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Meet the Demon’s amazing LSAT teachers an...
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Law School Advice for a High Schooler | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1034
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Nathan and Erik answer a high schooler’s questions about the LSAT and law school admissions. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see what LSAT score you need to go...
URM Bump in 2024? | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1033
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LSAT Demon student Noel wonders if URM applicants still receive an admissions “bump.” Short answer: We don’t know. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see what LSA...
The Perils of GPA Addendums | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1032
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LSAT Demon admissions expert Leslie joins Erik to discuss why it’s often dangerous to include a GPA addendum with your law school applications. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholars...
Deciphering Confusing Answer Choices | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1031
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Erik and Nathan share tips on how to break down difficult language and pick between confusing answer choices. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see what LSAT sco...
Should I Withdraw from the February LSAT? | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1030
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Listener Ethan considers withdrawing from the February LSAT. Ben and Nathan worry that Ethan is sabotaging his accuracy by shooting for a 175. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarsh...
From 154 to 173: Zach's LSAT Success Story | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1029
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LSAT Demon team member Zach joins Erik to share his LSAT success story. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see what LSAT score you need to go to law school for fr...
Beware of Scammerships | Thinking LSAT, Ep. 491
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Always read the fine print on your scholarship offers. This week, Nathan and Ben examine a low-ranked law school that reduces roughly two-thirds of its conditional scholarships every year. The guys also discuss the competitiveness of this year’s application cycle. They dismiss the idea that the LSAT is harder than it used to be. And they weigh the importance of law school rankings in deciding w...
Treat Logical Reasoning Like Reading Comprehension | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1028
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Erik and Nathan discuss how LSAT students can transfer their RC skills to LR. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see what LSAT score you need to go to law school ...
Above the Median | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1027
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Ben and Nathan stress the importance of scoring above your target schools’ LSAT medians. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see what LSAT score you need to go to ...
Law School Tips: Class Selection | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1026
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LSAT Demon team members Hayley, Beth, and Sam share advice on what to consider when picking your classes in law school. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see wha...
Rereading in LR and RC | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1025
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Kevin and Erik discuss how they minimize the time they spend rereading passages in Logical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to...
You Can Solve the LSAT | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1024
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Ben and Nathan explain why the LSAT is easier than many people fear. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see what LSAT score you need to go to law school for free:...
From 151 to 169: Aaminah's LSAT Success Story | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1023
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LSAT Demon team member Aaminah joins Erik to share her LSAT success story. Send your questions to daily@lsatdemon.com Get your best score with LSAT Demon. Sign up here: www.lsatdemon.com Choose from over 30 hours of live LSAT classes every week with a Demon Live subscription: www.lsatdemon.com/plans Use our Law School Scholarship Estimator to see what LSAT score you need to go to law school for...
Law Schools Underreport Scholarships | Thinking LSAT, Ep. 490
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The law school application cycle is far from over, but some disappointed applicants are starting to wonder: “What did I do wrong?” This week, Nathan and Ben point out some potential red flags that may have hurt one listener’s applications. The guys also explain how to develop speed on the LSAT, caution applicants against oversharing in optional essays, and bemoan the confusing state of ABA 509 ...
Score Cancellation Addendum | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1022
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Score Cancellation Addendum | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1022
LSAT Demon | Saturday Brunch LR w Abhi | January 18, 2025
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LSAT Demon | Saturday Brunch LR w Abhi | January 18, 2025
Distinctions Without Differences | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1021
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Distinctions Without Differences | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1021
Law School Tips: Outlining | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1020
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Law School Tips: Outlining | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1020
LSAT Score Jumps | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1019
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LSAT Score Jumps | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1019
Don't Apply Before You're Ready | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1018
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Don't Apply Before You're Ready | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1018
From 143 to 168: Caleb's LSAT Success Story | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1017
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From 143 to 168: Caleb's LSAT Success Story | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1017
Don't Fear Timed Practice | Thinking LSAT, Ep. 489
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Don't Fear Timed Practice | Thinking LSAT, Ep. 489
WashU Scholarship Negotiation | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1016
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WashU Scholarship Negotiation | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1016
Desperation Doesn't Look Good | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1014
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Desperation Doesn't Look Good | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1014
Burnout and Score Fluctuations | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1014
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Burnout and Score Fluctuations | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1014
Don't Rely on Indicator Words | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1013
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Don't Rely on Indicator Words | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1013
This Is Why You're Stuck in the 150's | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1012
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This Is Why You're Stuck in the 150's | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1012
From 142 to 171: Stefan's LSAT Success Story | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1011
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From 142 to 171: Stefan's LSAT Success Story | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 1011
Pre-Law Predators | Thinking LSAT, Ep. 488
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Pre-Law Predators | Thinking LSAT, Ep. 488
8:32 In the case of students with low GPA because they had to work full time during school - is it valid? I mean, I am an international student and our reality is pretty different.. I had to work to make money for even paying for the bus I would take to get to college…
Is there a tentative release date for the admissions course referenced? Thanks!
They also turn away at least some high URM lsat scorers at these schools- so if they often land with a lower median for URM students it’s at least somewhat because they cannot find everything they want in enough URM students, and instead prioritize other things (gpa, WE, other diversity markers, etc.)
is it your opinion that personal statements are not that important as long as it's not too flawed?
A stellar personal statement will never compensate for a low LSAT and GPA, but it does matter on the margins. If two applicants have identical numbers, schools may use the personal statement to help make their decision.
Great advice! Thanks, LSAT Demon!
Do they offer military discount ?
Yes, we do. 20% off any subscription level with proof of current or past service in the US or Canadian military.
The best prep is ultimately to become a really strong reader. So go to school and focus on doing the work.
In reference to fee waivers, I know before you have said that if LSAC didn't charge you, you would give LSAT Demon to fee waiver students for free. Somehow, 7Sage gives it for $1 for a year. Did LSAC's policy change?
Our student's with LSAC fee waivers will receive a discounted LSAT Demon membership. I'm not knowledgeable about your reference to 7sage and how they are affected by LSAC fee waivers. Feel free to elaborate.
As a fellow persian This made me very proud to see a persian guy around my age scoring 180. Inspirational
Which success story did Zach reference in the video?
I gather that building a foundation of accuracy is necessary to building speed. As this relates to RC, in order to build this foundation of accuracy, should I read slowly enough to understand each passage thoroughly and annotate frequently, or should I read slowly in that manner and take as much time as needed to refer back to the passage for dates and very specific details, rather than annotate heavily? I have been struggling a bit with questions such as inferences, what is or isn't mentioned, etc. when the questions regards details such as dates and quotes.
I suppose that annotating more versus referring back to the passage more depends a lot on the individual doing the test
@@jackanderson4869No, we don’t annotate for RC at LSAT Demon. The passages may seem dense, but they’re only 12-14 sentences. You should read slowly enough for masterful and intuitive comprehension. When a question requires you to recall or consider a specific detail, which makes up only a minority of RC questions, your understanding and mental “map” of the passage should guide you to the right spot. Simply put, you can and should do the LSAT without any integrated tools, writing utensils, or scrap paper.
“Get paid for your work” - perfect way to put it, thanks for the philosophy.
Thanks for listening! 😈
I think urm student are more than capable of good lsat scores but there are financial barriers to prep. I hope the lsat fee waiver is more known to them and they take advice I learned from LSAT demon which is to retake as many times as you need.
Leslie such a boss
I couldn't agree more 😈
Do you think international students need to write one?
The default answer is no. However, your question is a bit vague. If you’re asking whether an international student should write a GPA addendum just because they are an international student, the answer is no. But if there’s a specific reason you’re considering one, feel free to share more details!
@LSATDemon I got 7/ 10 GPA first-class overall and top 10% of my class but my GPA was not consistent it was hovering around 6.5 in last semester I got 9/10 due to only MCQ test conducted by my university, I am thinking since I already have an overall ranking of top 10% of class and first class then I don't one if you think otherwise then let me know.
@@PadsumbiyaYashI'm not sure how LSAC converts your GPA to their scale. Based on what you’ve described, a GPA addendum doesn’t seem necessary. Let your strong LSAT score speak for you.
@@LSATDemon Thank you LSAT demon team, yes I will crush the test and then apply.
I am so looking forward to becoming one of her students when I start my paid account. ⚖️
So inspiring!!! ⚖️
Embarrassing question but what if my prediction is wrong?
First, let’s clarify what you mean by “wrong.” In some cases, your prediction might be accurate but not reflected in the answer choices. For example, there can be multiple necessary assumptions in an argument, some more obvious than others. If you predict a necessary assumption that is truly required but don’t see it in the answer choices, that doesn’t mean your prediction was wrong. It just means you need to stay flexible and focus on what the question is asking-on a Necessary Assumption question, your job is simply to pick the answer that must be true. Now, if by “wrong” you mean that your prediction was inherently inaccurate-such as predicting a strengthener when the question asks you to weaken, identifying a flaw that isn’t actually present, or choosing a necessary assumption that isn’t required-then the issue is a fundamental misunderstanding of the argument. This likely means you either misread the passage or didn’t unpack it thoroughly enough. In this case, go back, read slower, and focus on developing a clear, intuitive understanding of what the argument is actually saying.
I’ve noticed it’s actually possible for answers and questions to have sentences that have no semantic meaning at all but are grammatically correct. I see this in role questions. Sometimes a sentence is structurally there as a justification for an argument but it doesn’t in fact, mean anything, but that’s what the sentence is there for.
I see where you’re coming from, but I think what you’re describing is just "background information." The sentence may not serve a direct logical function-it’s not a premise or a conclusion-but that doesn’t mean it’s unimportant. Background information provides context for the argument, helping us understand the overall reasoning.
Thank you LSAT Demon. Thank you Robert. This guy needs his own podcast.
Thank you for your kind words!
i got a 30k out of 55k wake forest law scholarship but it says i have to remain in good standing. The curve is around 3.33 so thats a good sign right?
I'd confirm with the school! "Good standing" usually just means not flunking out.
Follow-up info relayed from the team!: Good academic standing is typically 2.0. Getting a C average is really really hard to do. Most grades are A- to B-/C+. To get a C average you’d have to likely be the worst or close to worst in every single class. Unlikely to be the case.
I was scheduled for Feb (this Saturday) but withdrew last week because I KNOW I’m NOT ready to score anywhere near what I want/need in order to do this for free or damn near close to free.
Thanks for taking our advice and being an excellent example of one of our most crucial pieces of advice! I'm sure you'll find that doing it the Demon way will reward you 😈
There is no way I would cancel. If anything, it will be good practice to understand the test and understand how someone performs under the testing conditions. You're not penalized for taking it more than once, and if anything it would be foolish to only take it once. I took my test in January, and I'm taking it again this February. Just taking it once makes me feel a lot more confident and see that the test isn't as scary as I thought it was going to be. I understand that I'm not the "professional" here, but I've been studying very diligently since September, and it sounds like this person has also been studying very diligently, clearly if they're scoring in the 160s there is evidence of learning that is occuring. This is just my personal opinion, of course--but--this advice is valid and worth considering. You all have tremendous influence and a platform that so many people rely on to make their law school decisions. I almost didn't post because clearly I'm in the position of what could be argued as "what does she know?" But your way and advice is not THE only way. So, to anyone in the same position who is wondering what to do--from one law school applicant and LSAT prepper to another, please take the test.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective, but your advice is misguided. Taking the LSAT just to "test the waters" is a mistake. The idea that the official test is somehow different from a practice test is giving it way too much respect. The numbers don’t lie. If your practice test scores aren’t where you want them to be, there is no good reason to take the official test. Even if you’ve been studying diligently, what matters is whether your recent practice scores reflect your goal. Yes, scoring in the 160s shows that learning is happening, but the student in the podcast wants a 170+. Taking the test now, before they’ve actually reached that range, is a bad decision. If your practice test don’t indicate that your ready, taking the official test is a losing bet. You’ll almost certainly end up with a score that doesn’t reflect your true potential and waste one of your five attempts. We’ve been in this industry for 15 years. We don’t say this to be dogmatic-we say it because we’ve seen the patterns, and we know what works. Taking the test before you’re ready doesn’t build confidence-it sets you up for unnecessary setbacks. Play it smart. Wait until your practice scores tell you you’re ready.
@@laurenkelley3293 practice tests are more than sufficient practice. The loss of the fee is absolutely trivial in the course of a lifetime. I have 60k in student debt from my undergrad and I pay 450 dollars a month, every month, all the time, to pay it off. Cancel the attempt. Get where you want to be, and take the test.
This was great thank you!!!
In a similar spot. Why’s it so bad to just take it? Burning an attempt ?
If the LSAT is biased toward anything, it’s biased toward wealth. It is such a shame that 300 dollars is what stops people from making the correct decision to cancel taking the test when they are ready in a non-trivial amount of cases. Il
Yes, burning an attempt is useless. It’s like stepping into a casino, betting all your chips on a long shot, and hoping for the best-except in this case, the house always wins. If your practice test scores aren’t where you want them, you’re gambling on an outcome that’s already been predicted. You need to emotionally detach from this attempt if you’re not ready. The metric is simple: Would you be happy with a score from one of your last five practice tests? If yes, go ahead and take the official test. If not, withdraw. The money you spent registering is a sunk cost-it’s gone either way. If you withdraw, you lose the fee but avoid further damage. If you take the test, you risk getting a score you don’t want, wasting one of your five attempts, and putting a permanent number on record that doesn’t reflect your true abilities. Play it smart and wait until you’re ready to win the bet.
How do you go for free?
By getting the right GPA and LSAT score! Head over to our scholarship estimator and play around with different numbers to see what schools are predicted to offer you! Here is a link to our scholarship estimator: lsatdemon.com/scholarships
I have been reading LR questions while thinking "what is the support, what is the conclusion, and what is their relationship." Is that a good strategy, or should my approach be more focused on generally understanding what they are saying, which I take to be a main point these gentlemen are making?
My honest answer is a bit of both! It’s essential to distinguish an argument’s evidence (premises) from its conclusion. However, I think what Nate and Erik are emphasizing is to avoid being too formulaic about it. You should develop an intuitive understanding of what the author is concluding and what evidence they provide to support that conclusion. The next step is to determine whether their evidence fully proves the conclusion. In most cases, it won’t. That’s where we need to understand why. So yes, always aim to understand what an LR or RC passage is saying in plain English. But at the same time, knowing what counts as evidence and what counts as the conclusion is just as important.
The lsac data is available for up to 2023. It was 11% of tests were accomodations as of 2023
Would you be please be able to direct us to where we can find this statistic? Thanks!
hoping this is me in some time! ☺️
Woah, TWO Legends!! These two were both featured on some of my favorite LSAT interviews. Didn’t know they collaborated!
Which law school did he end up attending? This was a great interview!
To be determined! Robert applied early in the cycle and is still waiting to get all his offers!
@ - Well, he’s got a lot of success his way! I can tell by his mindset, that he’ll be a great attorney!
I’ve worked in civil lit for 12 years. Unfortunately all my lawyers telling me not to go to law school kept me from pursuing my dream for that long. I am finally going at 33 😊 But I understand the caution.
That's great! As long as you know that this line of work is right for you, your in a good place. Thanks for listening!
Kinda elitist to shit on lower tier schools tbf
Short answer: if you actually want to practice law, and the pedigree of a top school is not in the way to your realistic professional ideals, then yes.
Zvi Mowshowitz is a brilliant mind in both real life as well as in the realm of gaming. He is one of the first inductees to the Magic the Gathering Pro Tour hall of fame. Super goat in lots of realms and a inspiration personally.
How does grade forgiveness work?Can I still try it even though I have already graduated?
Grade forgiveness likely varies dramatically between all institutions. The best way to find out is to ask your specific undergraduate institution.
There's a school i got into with a full ride, unconditional. However, they put all the scholarship kids in one class on a vicious curve so it's tough to stay in good academic standing....so i think they're pulling shit where a scholarship is unconditional in name only.
Which school?
@ New England law…honestly the story about case western reminded me a lot of the lowest ranked school in Boston
@@shadesonsurferI thought that was a predatory law school
@@shadesonsurfer Thanks for sharing this with us!
@ sure! I’d verify if you can, but I do think this is a new tactic since conditional became a dirty word
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Sorry but if you transferred in Undergrad and finished at that college after 2 years, for LSAC, do I need to upload from the 2 schools or just the last one? Thanks.
LSAC requires transcripts from all undergraduate institutions. If you have a transcript on file at the institution you transferred from, you will need to send it to LSAC.
It’s absurd to think you would want a diagnosis of a psychological condition on your record to get 15 minutes added to a test. If you want government clearance or a specific job you might get disqualified for it.
This could be 1/2 of a comparative LR prompt lol
yea someone is gonna get disqualified for having ADHD ok lol
@@shadesonsurferit could inhibit your ability to commission into a military source so he’s not completely off
@ if you want a position in the DoD or something even JAG related it may very well, especially if it comes with another diagnosis.
@@damonalvarez9058 as someone who is interested in JAG this is exactly what I was trying to imply…
So does this mean that scores will mean less in the long term if the number of people who are scoring the highest is increasing so drastically? Will splitters be less likely to go to law school as a result?
It’s hard to predict how this trend will evolve. I can only speculate. Since 2020, LSAT scores have been increasing. It’s fair to say that a 171 might not carry the same weight it once did. Will this trend continue? It’s hard to say. That said, our advice remains unchanged: focus on getting the best LSAT score you can. Regardless of how schools adapt to this trend, a 170+ will always be an impressive score that opens doors to opportunities a lower score wouldn’t.
cool
I have had a 3.8+ GPA every semester that I've been in college, but my cumulative is a 3.6 because I took college courses in high school and got some B's and C's (and even one D). I feel like college classes in high school sounds like a good idea but it often backfires for many people, including myself.
Here’s an edited and more concise version of your response: We completely agree. It’s unfortunate that many high school professionals aren’t aware of the long-term consequences of not earning A’s in college courses taken during high school. So, what can you do now? As Erik emphasized, focus on your grades moving forward. You mentioned consistently earning a 3.8+ GPA during undergrad-why not aim for a 4.0? Push yourself to get straight A’s, not A-minuses. Additionally, as Erik suggested, you could take college classes at a community college where you’re confident you can earn A’s. This can help with GPA rehabilitation. For more on that, check out this episode: ruclips.net/video/8G1WXF8oAd4/видео.html
Does the undergrad institution matter? I have a slightly lower GPA (3.83) than many of the medians at top 14's, but go to a prestigious uni known for grade deflation and for being one of the hardest schools in the USA. Will the prestige of my uni help me/will admissions take the name of the school into consideration when they look at my GPA?
It’s hard to give a definitive answer to this question. At the end of the day, law schools report the numerical GPA for their 509 data, so your 3.83 will largely be treated like any other. While some schools may consider the difficulty of your undergrad institution, I’d guess it’s similar to how they view GPAs from STEM majors-context matters, but the number carries the most weight. You might consider addressing your school’s rigor and grade deflation in an addendum, but proceed with caution. Make sure it doesn’t come across as blaming others for your GPA. Ultimately, the best way to alleviate concerns about your GPA is to pair it with a stellar LSAT score. A 3.83 from a prestigious university combined with a 175+ LSAT sends a clear message to admissions committees that you are an academic force to be reckoned with. This could also make for a great Demon Daily episode! Feel free to write in to @daily@lsatdemon.com.
Great interview and insight on life!
I never wanted to go to law school for exactly this reason, but the relative job security of nonprofit work (seen as a paralegal) is much more attractive, since, while there is high turnover due to low pay, there's also always a need for attorneys. Probably depressing for other reasons (horrific client stories, awful systems), but at least I know my team has each other's backs.
So I don't think they care about the lsat predicting grades, because they curve so aggressively grades will be the same regardless. However, even higher lsat scores are likely to affect other metrics like bar passage.
I’d disagree with your claim. Law schools know the LSAT is a reliable predictor of how well students perform relative to their peers. The curve doesn’t change this because it applies uniformly to the class. A higher LSAT score still correlates with better academic performance and stronger bar passage rates, which is why law schools prioritize it in admissions decisions.
Another reason for a school with an expected median of 170 to give better scholarships to a 177 than a 171 even though both help raise the median is that the student with a 177 has better options since they are above more schools' medians. So if they are going to admit and try to attract both students, they have to give the 177 a better scholarship to win them away from higher ranked schools.
Exactly!
Here's another point: A splitter with a LSAT way above a schools median doesn't have a better chance at getting in to a school than a student right at both medians, assuming all that a school is attempting to do is maximize its rankings.
That is patently false, for a few reasons. The first is the applicant pool itself. If it is very uncommon for your university to get very high LSAT scores but commonly gets low LSAT GPAs, they do not get the opportunity to move their LSAT median much, but if someone with a very high LSAT shows up they can now use that person to move their median and simply adjust their GPA median back by admitting the normal, high GPA pool they pull from.
While I agree with your point about the relative importance of GPA vs the LSAT, it in no way disproves my claim. Let me give you an example to illustrate why that is. Say 2 people apply to UGA, which last cycle had a median LSAT of 169. One applies with a 172 & a 3.95 undergraduate GPA, and the other applies with a 177 & a 3.5 undergraduate GPA. Assuming UGA will not be able to increase its median up to a 172, which is an incredibly safe assumption, the student with the 177 would not benefit the school with his high LSAT any more than the student with a 172. Now do you see what I mean?
I’d disagree with your claim, and I think it rests on a false assumption: “assuming all that a school is attempting to do is maximize its rankings.” The truth is, raising their ranking isn’t a school’s only goal. They also aim to create a class with strong outcomes after graduation. As Ben and Nathan explain, a 177 LSAT score always indicates more talent than a 171. Not only would the 177 raise the school’s median, but that applicant would also likely enhance the overall talent and employment outcomes of the matriculating class. Nearly every time, the 177 is a better bet than the 171.
I didn't mean to imply that the assumption is one I agree with, simply that, insofar as rankings go, a 177 doesn't do much more than a 172 for a school whose median is never going to be a 172 or higher. Obviously there are other considerations than rankings, but when it comes to rankings, I think what I said holds up.
@@HFUFUEJMAKXU Thanks for clarifying. While it’s true that a 177 and a 172 might have a similar impact on the median if the school’s median won’t reach 172, a 177 still adds value beyond rankings. Schools care about their 75th percentile LSAT and overall class profile, both of which a 177 improves. These factors indirectly affect a schools ranking and reputation, even if the median doesn’t shift.
So how do we find a way to enjoy it
To clarify, were you referring to enjoying your LSAT journey or Law school experience?