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You are right. It was very confusing for this homeowner to figure out! Thanks for the video. It helped me solve my issue with 3 GFCI’s on one circuit. All are working now. You saved me from calling an electrician.

, Just wire the line side !

In a non-ideal world, where my kitchen and bathroom GFCI were installed post construction and are daisy chained, yes, big annoyance. Another creator said the second GFCI wouldn't work at all, even though receiving power. It turns out daisy chaining via line > load method does not work if your outlet has a grounding wire. Mine does not, so it works.

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What kind of moron wires gfcis in parallel they should all be pigtailed so they operate independently.

I can see how this could be confusing for multiple outlets. I would disagree however if you’re also including a GFI breaker + GFI outlet wired so that each can provide trip protection for the same circuit. In this case it’s easier to check why the outlet is dead and it’s just redundancy for GFI protection at both outlet and breaker.

Are the multiple gfi on single branch serial connected or parralel connected ? Which gfi used LOAD connections ?

Don't let others ever get your goat. I had the same issue. Couldn't figure out how to reset it. I swapped the extra gfci for a regular outlet. Sumple is good

I’m a home inspector that just got the camera how do you go about posting the video to RUclips and making sure only the customer can open and watch it??? Thank you in advance!

This is a matter of how the outlets are wired. Each of the three GFCI'S should operate independently since they are in seperate rooms. To do this simply make pigtails off the feed in each box. Wire the pigatils to the line of each GFCI. The way this is shown it appears the first GFCI feeds the down stream GFCI's off the load side of rhe first one. That is improper.

It's an inconvenience to look for the tripped GFCI, but it doesn't violate code. You may need to move boxes around, but I don't believe an inspector should write it up. Stick to what the code requires and not inconveniences.

Don't get upset about people with negative comments. If you can get people going back and forth the excessive comments will move your video to the top of the algorithm!!

great video. thank you!

Daisy chaining GFCIs with one connected to the “load” terminals is I believe a code violation. Having one ordinary circuit breaker that has multiple GFCIs is acceptable, as long as the common connections for all of the GFCIs are on the line terminals.

useless.

I'm just an advance DIYer/homeowner. I do some simple electrical in my home and I understood this enough to know why it's not best practice. Don't know why some are having fits over it. Thanks.

Is there a code article for reference of this violation. Or just an opinion?

Dude, this only happens if you wire it wrong. If you put the everything up stream on Line (both sets of wires); the down stream stays live when the up stream is tripped. This isn’t a problem unless a dip stick puts the line feed on the upstream line, instead is the upstream load. I would right up your foolish example BUT NOT a properly wired multiple on on circuit. Also who the heck is putting that many different baths on one breaker; again only a fool and that crap should be wrote up regardless of the GFCI, upstairs bath and down stairs bath need to be on separate breakers.

so how ‘older’ are these types of gfci’s that are worth less then nothing(because they not only do nothing, but pretend to do something) ?🤔. how old & is there a way to spot them? should I phrase that worth less then worthless? & btw. maybe you know, on a relatively new home depot gfci, if there is a short, with a perhaps dangerous surge, on the OTHER side, sending surge BACK to & through, would THAAT surge trip it ?(this is all 3 questions not 4, ignore the word clever question 3)👋

I don't usually comment on thing, but after what I just went through, I felt it necessary. I want to thank you for this information, I just experienced what you were talking about. I was upstairs in my guest bathroom, which is a GFCI, as per any normal wiring code as it was next to a sink, but when I used my tester to trip the GFCI, my tester told me I had successfully broke the circuit. Now I will say that I am a new home owner in this house, and didn't know anything about the wiring. So as you just described I tested the circuit on the outlet I was testing and found that the GFCI did not trip on the outlet I was testing, I also could not get it to reset and had no idea what was going on. Thinking the GFCI was faulty, I took a non-GFCI outlet I had and installed it, I know that is not to code, but before installing it I noticed that 2 outlets in my living room, downstairs were not working, which really confused me, and I was just trying to test if the GFCI was faulty. As you can understand it did not fix the problem, so I put the GFCI back in place and went to my main breaker to see if I could find a tripped breaker, again, as you know there was not a breaker tripped, which left me scratching my head I would like to point out that on the main breaker diagram I could not find a single breaker that said it was for the upstairs bathroom. In doing some investigating I checked the master bathroom, to find nothing wrong, I tripped the local GFCI and reset it just like you would expect. I then went downstairs, and on a whim, I checked the downstairs bathroom only to find the outlet next to the sink, the only one in that bathroom, and also a GFCI, was not working. I then checked the GFCI which looked like it had not tripped, to find it was not, and now I couldn't get this one to reset. At this point I remembered that on the main breaker diagram I read a line that was labeled as downstairs bath garage gfi. It was at this point I decided to check the garage outlet, and what I realized was that outlet was also a GFCI, which I didn't know prior to this point. It was tripped at the local GFCI, so I reset it and also reset the downstairs bathroom, which also caused the living room outlets to start working, I don't know if it was tied to the garage or the bathroom as I didn't check prior to resetting the bathroom. I then went back to the upstairs guest bathroom and was able to reset the GFCI. After all of that I Googled how many GFCIs could be on one circuit, which is when I found this video. I would also like to say that this house was built in 1984, long before I ever thought about being a home owner, as I was 5 at the time. I guess I just wanted to say all of that to say that I fell victim to exactly what you said could happen, I tripped the garage GFCI when I was on a completely different floor and side of the house from the garage, and had no idea I'd tripped the garage GFCI, thank GOD this didn't happen when when time was not available to run down the issue, and that I was able to figure it out without having to call an electrician. So thank you again for making this video, though I found it after I'd resolved my problem, I just wanted to say that I experienced the exact situation you described.

You DID NOT press the test button on the down stream GFCI testers?

Unsafe setting-up ladder on deck.

Very well done - Great Job Derik

How do you kno which sewer to inspect from the house you’re in ? Where would it be located

Spoke to the man himself! Solid webinar!

I completely agree with this idea as being the best method of wiring for GCFI's on a single circuit. 1 GFCI and the standard outlets per run of outlets on a circuit is Best way to wire a Home

Considering this video is targeting Home Inspection for Inspectors only, all others should not leave comments because you don't matter. I'm only going by some of the replies from Home Inspection Bytes to comments left by non Home Inspectors. Or if you've left a comment, delete it. Wouldn't matter if you did.

Yep, you must wire them in series! That way each GFCI plug will trip independently, regardless of all the receptacles running on the same circuit! You just have to pigtail them in to series. Here’s an example, in my kitchen, if I have “5” 20 amp GFCI outlets wired in series “pigtail” then let’s just say the center outlet trip then that means the other receptacles don’t trip because each one is independently wired “series” not parallel! but they will all do the exact same thing instead of having to go back and reset the receptacles one by one. Technically, you just need one GFI receptacle to protect all the other plugs, downstream,but you can have them independently if you want but most people only put one GFCI on one circuit for the cost. But more to the story, you can have multiple GFCI plugs on one circuit even though it’s not practical, but you still can. you can go to a more alternative expensive route, which is a whole home GFCI breaker protection but that’s a lot more money.

The reason I want to do this is, I have two sump pumps in my yard that I want to run off of one 20 amp circuit with a regular breaker. I want the sump pumps independent of each other so if one trips their GFCI outlet it won't shut down the other sump pump when there is no problem with that pump. Thanks for posting this and explaining. I'll be wiring them so they are in parallel with each having their own ground, neutral and hot.

Pulling out a gfi dangerous my ass. Yet you inspector rocket scientists will still fck with a panel.

How did u wire it. I think it's do to ur wiring and u set it up to make urself look right

Well if you're feeding the other bathrooms on the load side, why install additional GFCI outlets at all? Better yet, spend a few extra dollars to put each bath on a dedicated circuit, use a combination breaker and don't use any GFCI outlets, no?

heh, i can see both sides of the argument. ....then again i'm me,,, if i had a house i'd one baller ass breaker box and each room on it's own breaker, no upstairs powder room on a circuit going go the down stairs hallway .... then again talk is cheap and reality beats you down.

Wow. Remind me to never have you inspect a house. Maybe there is a reason you were attacked by multiple electricians and other inspectors. Issue is having them off load. And that’s not a safety issue.

dave & shari Loved this video ... shout out to my little sister Rebecca and Derrick, looking forward to meeting Derrick

It good to have multple no fault recepticals on same circuit. But not smart to put a receptical on a circuit over 20 amps on a single phase 60 hertz 120 volt service. The service breaker can be a regular tempature breaker of 20 amps and depends on how many items need use on same circuit at same time. Every no fault not over 20 amps, are short mercury breakers and not regular tempature mercury breakers. If run only 2 at less than 10 amp each work. But not more than 20 amps on a 20 amp service breaker. Plus can use regular tempature receipticals on a no fault main circuit breaker not a tempature receptical breaker. It will have its own private ground green wire in breaker for panel box grounded terminal.

This is great info and summarized nicely. Thanks Derik

Wow, the assumption is that people are really stupid. Oh wait... I have GFCI in my home on all outlets, built before ground wires. Over safe is okay with me, I can walk around and reset things, too easy.

Awesome info .. keep it up ..

Good info

100% agreed thanks for sharing.

Certainly, GFCIs can and have be installed incorrectly (putting a GFCI on the "load" side of an upstream GFCI), that shouldn't be cause for blanket failure of properly installed multiple GFCIs on a single circuit. In a kitchen, with over the counter receptacles, you'll make a home owner, that cooks, much happier to have ALL GFCI receptacles (all wired to the line side) rather than one GFCI and a string of standard receptacles on the load side of the GFCI. Sure, it costs more to have the GFCIs but gone will be the nuisance tripping yet retain all of the GFCI protection. A GFCI has a primitive circuit that trips when 5mA of differential current is detected on the line and neutral. That 5mA is cumulative when load receptacles are added. In a kitchen, one has quite a few reactive loads (mixers, and other motorized gadgets) and those can fool to GFCI, particularly when there are multiples going at once. Go to separate GFCI per receptacle (again, all wired to the line of the GFCI, nothing attached to the load side of any GFCI) and the fale (nuisance trip) is eliminated without compromising ground fault protection. The inspector can test them without any confusion either. This is less of an issue for other circuits where, typically, one thing may be plugged in at once and operating. Most other areas don't have the reactive loads like kitchens. I, personally, prefer all separate GFCI so if there is a cause for a trip, one knows exactly where to reset it and/or what device was in use that caused the trip.

So because you are confused, you have to write it up? Maybe as a Home Inspector you should un-confuse yourself first? When you write NFPA70 you can make that change, until then, you can climb down off your high horse. Writing up Code compliant items is why I, as a Registered Architect, have ZERO respect for inspectors. Thank you for providing more evidence to my theory that inspectors are simply failed Engineers and Architects who couldn't pass the ARE or FE/PE exams.

Nice job.

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You wire them in parallel, you don't wire them in series!

Excellent video! But the bad thing is that the flame war you had, may have been the only path to lead you to create this video which I enjoyed.

This video is a very good source of info, for anyone looking to buy a pre-1960s home, especially a flipper home. One thing you might add, is there is a tool that can detect bootleg ground outlets, if neutral to ground impedance is too low, they cost around $300 give or take but can give valuable information such as high resistance connections independently on the hot, neutral and ground wires, that can cause a potential fire or shock hazard. Ideal and Amprobe are two well know brands I'm aware of, that this special meters available.

A bit off topic but a question regarding GFCI So the GFCI always needs to be fed directly through the panel ( a homerun), it's the first in your circuit and then your daisy chain comes off that ? Correct? If the GFCI is fed directly from the panel, can you daisy chain off of it in both directions?...so that 3 romex lines come out of your box ( total of 9 individual wires). I'm doing a kitchen which needs 2 circuits ( for my counter tops), my fed is coming 50 ft from the panel up through the basement in the middle of the kitchen to the GFCI and then I've daisy chained off of it to the right ( skipping every other one) but I'd like to continue the circuit to the left, so can I feed off the GFCI both ways ?