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My dad sprayed a fog into one in the middle of winter. Nothing came out on the N,NW side. It all came out of the S & E side . Even paper wasps know the prevailing winds are cold.

He’s selling to the people with no common sense. That are too lazy to look at their own roof.

Roof was approved, no contractor involved until after insurance came out. It’s a neighbors roof and we were both picking up 3” hail in our back yards. Watch before you call me the problem. Insurance wrote a policy that covers hail, homeowner filed a claim all on their own, legit holes in the roof from hail letting water in, insurance paid claim, and I did a few videos on it. Thank you for the comment and insights but the evaluation you made of this video is not accurate.

That roof does have hail damage and it looks older.. there’s nothing wrong with replacing that shingle roof. This guy isn’t doing nothing wrong y’all just being hateful.

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Bingo - no need to bend it. Either seal it or file the claim and let insurance review the evidence as it stands. This is not an activity a contractor should perform unless they have permission.

You got it - this is not one of the three defined brittleness test and it was not approved by the homeowner and the claim wasn't even started yet. This contractor was bending the shingle and clearing granules.

I heard nothing regarding how the most basic (or not basic) shingle works. This is regarding how some shady contractors or the reps work.

​@@TimatHRMuhmmm.. ok. And to show that point you showed a video of guys doing a proper check on the shingles... What exactly is going on / not going on in your head? Do you realize that every comment is calling you out on the ridiculousness of this ? 😂 Honestly. Just two little marbles rolling around up there huh? 😂

Hmmm - what do I not understand here? The sealant is how the shingles stay secured to each other. The fasteners are how the shingle stay secured to the roof. The shingles ideally should be sealed but they are not. However that is not an excuse for a contractor to bend or manipulate the shingles. Also I put out a lot of roofing content. Let me know where I can watch your content

@@TimatHRM Agreed - this is a contractor doing something shady the homeowner was not aware of. I have learned more about the actual situation since this post. It's unfortunate this stuff happens.

@@metalmental454 This is not a proper check of the shingles. I have learned a lot more about this situation since I posted. Fist of all a brittleness test is not performed this way and is usually performed by the insurance company. This was the two contractors and this action is non of the three defined brittleness test. This is a contractor taking a loose shingle and bending it without the homeowner knowing. When the homeowner found out they were quite upset and took action. So again this is not a normal shingle check or roof check by a contractor. Any testing or brittleness test should be approved by the homeowner or insurance adjuster first.

Not a bad idea

To be clear, It's an insurance claim for vandalism after that. Best case, that was an exaggerate brittle test. There would likely be signs of unzipping as well (whether installed correctly or not), they should be going with any real damage that may exist and not exaggerate it.

​@@TimatHRMman you really don't get it. What do you mean exaggerated it? If the shingle is lifting up, it needs to be repaired. Creasing it isn't exaggerating anything. The shingle is going to have to be replaced anyways. If anything he was pulling harder on it to see what else was being damaged when the wind pulled that shingle up. You sir do not even understand the words in front of you and at this point, I'd recommend deleting this video before you make yourself look like more of a fool

@@metalmental454 First, I did not get to see the proof that this was lifted up on its own. I do understand that if it's lifted, a repair should be made. If you are marking it to identify it as a shingle that needs repaired or to show to the insurance adjuster, then there are better ways to mark it. If you are documenting the damage, you would want to take more photos both above and underneath the shingle. There is absolutely no reason other than exaggerating the damage or increasing the damage that someone would bend a shingle in this way other than to convince the adjuster that it can not be repaired and that it must be replaced. Insurance almost never will pay for or consider an unsealed shingle as damage. If there's no crease, and no mat transfer, then the shingle would be repairable. If it truly is not repairable, then a good contractor would be able to demonstrate and prove his case without damaging the shingle more than it already was. All I am getting from your response is that what I do not get is, that we know the insurance will not likely write for and we believe it necessary to replace it and not repair it and we should do what we need to do to get the insurance to agree. These guys are looking at and likely compromising many shingles. If they followed John The Roof Pro, they would know how to get many more roofs approved even when they may have only one shingle damaged. Again, neither of us know the context of this video or in what process they are. It does however seem very much like they are either creating undisputable proof of damage, whether it's to get the policy holder to file a claim or to prepare for the adjuster inspection. Though others may not agree with me 100% as they also do not have all the information, I'm certain they know it appears shady. It's likely that the person recording, didn't just see that one thing and start recording at that moment.

​@@TimatHRMbeing able to easily pop it up with a few fingers IS proof that it was lifted already. If that tar edge is sealed properly as it should be, it's not that easy to lift up without either pulling harder than they are, or using some kind of prying tool. They don't just pop up this easily for a reason. Also you've just admitted you don't actually have a clue what's going on in the video or what the context is, so that's fairly bold to make such a statement, and then claim that all these people in the comments are wrong and you're right. I wouldn't let you do work on my property if you were the last contractor around. You're completely clueless and somehow managed to admit it while still trying to stand your ground. You proved yourself wrong while trying to prove yourself right 😂 honestly this went from comical to just sad

@@metalmental454 I did not prove myself wrong. I admit that I don't know if they used a putty knife or not before lifting it. The whole point of any of this is, there's no reason that warrants bending that shingle that way. I've done my fair share of brittle tests (I mention this as it is the only legit reason you would crease a shingle) and this is well beyond any guidelines or standard practice that anyone should use to demonstrate brittleness or non repairability. I have set the bar for some as well as I've escalated claims and have succeeded where others have failed on conveying roof damage and even been told twice over the years that my videos presented would be used as training videos for adjusters to accept nothing less than what I demonstrated as proof of a good faith attempt to show repairability. No one watching the video knows half the facts of the video. There is only one fact that I am stuck on and believe that any legitimate person regardless of experience would agree to and that is again.... There was absolutely no legitimate reason to bend that shingle the way that he did. That's it. If you believe that statement is wrong, remember, it was based on legitimacy and those that aren't will most likely support it as they may feel the need to defend themselves or convince themselves that what they do is the right thing to do.

The only time a contractor should damage a shingle is with permission of the homeowner. In this case the homeowner was unaware the contractor was creasing the shingles. I do agree it should be sealed but that's no excuse to manipulate the shingles.

A 3x3 may only affect one course of felt and in that case you’re likely in good shape. It’s when you would be at risk of stacking end laps that would be concerning

@@johntheroofpro I think I've got you now. Going up/vertical 5' from any point would definitely have us going into two rows that would have to then be staggard still.

Is replacing underlayment always needed when completing a repair? Have a claim with 56 shingles for repair on a 25sq roof, all spread out.

Ah Steve - I see you found my channel. Good for you and interesting take on this. Okay so it's the manufacturers fault? Let's play that out a little further. Who is one of the larger groups that lobbies for more restrictive building codes, more stringent testing, and better materials? Isn't that the insurance companies? So new guidelines get passed and the product makers have to react to make products that pass the test, hit required ratings, and meet the building codes. Then once the manufacturer makes the change blame them as if they sit in a board room thinking "how can we screw the consumer"? Do you see the problem with the one sided view? Not all changes in products are code or ASTM or testing forced. Some changes are to try and have a competitive edge or fancier selling offering. So maybe point fingers at ALL of the underlying factors that lead to change. Some only get mad at insurance for how they act. Some only get mad at manufacturers for how they act. I know that you are a believer in more sustainable building products with accurate expectations performance and life expectancy. I agree with you in that aspect but look at the whole picture man. If insurance lobbies for betterment they can accept that has an affect on how a claim is handled or they can re-write the policies to exclude that (which they already are in some cases). So instead of getting upset at ONLY ONE SIDE look at the whole picture and go get the policy that excludes additional coverages due to obsolescence. I've messaged you multiple times on FB and you still haven't responded but continue with your commenting on my post and videos. Step up and reach back out to me sir. I look forward to the talk one day.

​@@johntheroofpro Thanks for responding. I'm totally for self-responsibility and find this to be an interesting problem as my neighbor is going through this. I hate to say it, but it seems like he's using insurance as a maintenance plan. It just seems ticky tack to go from one damaged shingle to a 20k roof replacement that the rest of us have to pay for. From everything I've seen, shingles were upsized to metric because they were cheaper to produce and quicker to install. ASTM didn't force this. If you feel like have to opt for an ASTM compliant repair (I dont know of anywhere that even requires a permit for shingle repairs, and hand sealing is probably just as good as a weathered shingle) the manufacturers should have made English size stock available for future repairs. Instead they cut off production and didn't give any guidance on repairs.