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I definitely understand where you’re coming from with these “rat race” jobs any who hopefully those interviews went great

You should only apply to one job at a company. Applying to multiple makes it seem like you don’t know what you want on their side. In this case apply to the one you really want, don’t apply to the other, and try ti network to get an internal connection at the company if you can. They have all the info on the inside, so trying to juggle the offers against each other is going to be difficult

Hey @itsparth7634 you can negotiate via email or on the phone. The goal is to think of it as a budgeting conversation. Asking if they had additional budget to get up to $XX number. They either can or can't and then you decide to accept or reject. Just try to ask for something reasonable within 5-10k if you're under six figs, or 10-20 if you're over six figs. Or what is reasonable for what they pay other people. Negotiating is always expected. Not always given. But if you're just asking a question about budget they shouldn't take offense.

There is a difference between honesty and oversharing. Very few companies are being honest with their employees. They share information on a need to know basis. Sometimes they know they are laying off their team months before they tell anyone. There are levels to honesty. What is shared with a friend is different than a family member, is different than a stranger. We must be discerning with what we share, how much we share, and with whom we share. I’ve seen too many people think honesty and oversharing are the same thing, leading to outcomes they could have avoided just by saying less. Share what you feel comfortable sharing. Not here to tell you what to do. Just, illuminating what I’ve seen over the years. Companies are not honest. You have every right to be honest. But, people also need to protect themselves.

​@CareerTherapy Not all companies are dishonest though. I live my life of "Don't expect from others what you don't do yourself". So I will be loyal for as long as I am shown loyalty. But if I am shown disloyalty, I no longer need to be loyal anymore. I give people the benefit of the doubt, until they give me a reason to think otherwise.

@@dhenderson1810 agreed. I give people the benefit of the doubt, but not “companies”. I’ve seen too many honest managers put into dishonest situations due to corporate, legal, political, etc circumstances. Trust is good. And employees need to protect themselves

It might be hard to buy 3 full weeks. I can't give a solid answer, as I am not there in the situation with you, but you might have to take the first offer, since the second one is not guaranteed. Worst case scenario, you turn down the first and then don't get the second and end up with nothing. Can you talk to the person who recommended you and ask for their advice? Say you got an offer and you have to accept by xx date. Ask if there is any way to know about the 2nd offer by then. If they can't give an answer in time, they will miss out on you. But, at the end of the day you have to protect yourself. So, I can't tell you what to do, but don't sacrifice your opportunity for fear of burning a bridge. This is business, not person. Be respectful. Communicate with kindness. Take care of yourself.

Thanks a lot. I know it's a bit tricky situation where the manager for offer 2 is losing things at personal level internally in his company on my behalf. So I fear embarrassing him if I don't take us his offer. On the other hand, the first company has come to me after another candidate could not be onboarded due to some visa issues (that's what I am told). So I know I was their second preference and the reason was that I am little over experienced for that role. But I know I will still have some learning in that role, plus I am jobless since months. So I was ready for any role to be honest. Any other suggestions you can make to handle this tricky situation? I will speak to my contact in second company anyways but I think I should do this only once I have written offer from first company, right?

@@DineshSharma-jr2gu Hope things went well with the convos. Ideally you can navigate this without embarrassing anyone. If they are a professional person, and you handle things professionally, there should be no embarrassment. Then you have to weight that risk with the risk of not getting the job you need for your life to improve. Your life should outweigh another person's embarrassment. Be kind. Give time. Make the decision you have to. They are the ones taking their time and going slow at the end of the day. Good luck.

yep

I appreciate it.

Wishing you the best of luck! Lmk if you need additional help.

It’s so stressful 😩

at the same organization? In that case I would talk to the team that is interviewing you for the new role about the staffing contract, cause there might be some legal/contractual things to keep in mind.

I agree that it is a gray area. The key is to confirm you need the education before spending the money, so you don't make an unnecessarily expensive detour in your career.

Glad you liked it :)

Wow, thank you!

Hey @klanderkal - sorry to hear you've been struggling. If you're looking for help, coaching might help. You could also reach out to Shelby Forsythia and check out the resources she has to offer. However, since this is such a large life change, therapy will likely be the best route for you. I would recommend finding a grief counselor who specializes in life changes. Wishing you the best and hope you find the help you need.

@CareerTherapy Thank you so much 🙏.... Grief counselor would be good,.. im not handling this well. Appreciate your reply

Hey @sabrbobo Typically you can't bypass this requirement. Companies have ATS (Applicant Tracking Systems) that keep track of your applications and show it to the hiring manager the next time you apply. If you have multiple applications in their system, it starts to look like you're desperate, or uncertain of what you want, and then they are less likely to hire you. If it is a 7 month requirement, that is even more difficult to get around. The only way to get around this in my opinion, is to network your way into the company. Stop applying to their job boards and start building relationships with people who work there. That way you can get a referral and bypass the requirement. The other option is to find out who the company's competitors are and start applying there. That way you're still moving in the right direction in your career.

@@CareerTherapy thank you for your answer 🙌🙌🙌, sorry if i disturbed you

Happy to help. Lmk if you need any other help.

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...it has been debated that many ceo's probably qualify as narcissists

@@CareerTherapy yea or even psychopath's hey i have a question for you, im in a similar situation. i was told on the phone 2 days ago that i "should" be expecting an offer letter once the backround check is done, but i have a good feeling another company may call me back as well. i really want to go ahead with the first company but i dont want to turn the 2nd company down until i see the official letter. what should i tell the 2nd company if they also call and want to proceed with a backround check or another interview?.......also when they do these checks do you think they call my last place and ask what kind of worker i was? (i'm nervous cus i got a few warnings for calling out). and the job before that i did get fired for missing days

@@gristamshackleford2102 Keep going with both processes until you have offers in writing. If you have one in writing and are waiting on the other, try to negotiate a later start date, accept the offer, then turn it down if the other one comes through with better terms. (obviously I'm using short hand here, you have to communicate with each company thoughtfully so they don't take it the wrong way). They sometimes call past employers, but that's usually if they ask for references. Past employers also typically don't talk specific details about employees with other companies, they want to keep that in house. If they ask about your references, give them people who will speak highly of you. There is no one right thing here, but they're just trying to make sure you don't have any criminal activity or other types of things in your background checks.

@@CareerTherapy thanks man, i should be good. i was never in prison, and these are just simple maintenance mechanic jobs. no big security clearance, im just nervous cus it's been a few days already

@@gristamshackleford2102 They always take longer than we want them to. It feels longer for the seeker than the employer. Paitence is key. If you follow-up, do it in a helpful way. "Checking in to see if there is anything additional you need from me to keep things moving forward..." type of a message.

keep pursuing both. treat each interview process like the other one does not exist. Try to get offers from both and see what they offer. When you have both offers in hand ready to be signed, you can make your decision. Don't worry until you have an offer in hand. If one company extends and offer and the other is dragging things out, accept the first offer. If the 2nd one comes back with a better offer and you want to take it, then accept it and go back to the first one and decline. Negotiate both to the best of your ability, but don't worry until everything is in writing. Only deal with real offers in writing, not imaginary offers that don't exist yet. Sounds like you just need to focus on crushing the interviews now. It might all sort itself out in the end. But, know you have control over what you accept and reject. Just don't reject the written offer for an imaginary alternative.

@@CareerTherapy I have an offer with the bigger company ready and I am at the last stage of interview for the smaller company that pays more they (small company) are expected to give me an interview next week.

@@asvpjoeyevdo9798 Which team do you feel you fit in with better based on the interviews? When does the bigger company need an answer by? If they need an answer before you get the other offer, you can accept, then rescind your offer later if the smaller company gives you a better offer. But, don't turn down the first one if you don't have the second offer in hand.

@@CareerTherapy by Tuesday

@@CareerTherapy sounds good, I will accept this offer and go along when the other companies come I will just accept them them as well

It would depend on the person you’re dealing with and how you communicate it. If they extend the start date, and you get another offer, you wouldn’t tell them that. Instead, you would say, “There have been some changes in my personal situation and I am no longer able to move forward with this role. Apologies for the inconvenience.” It might burn the bridge, it might not, but you’re allowed to do that. You don’t ever HAVE to take a role that you don’t want, or don’t have to take. If the other company has a better offer and you get it in writing, it is best to go with the best offer, not accept the first, worse offer, out of guilt or worry of bridge burning.

What did they mislead you about? If it has only been a month and the new job is better pay, better people, and better work, then you're probably fine. Just don't list the current role on your resume and let there be a 1 month gap, or roll that month into the new role, or something along those lines. I'd have to talk to you 1on1 to clarify exactly how to handle the details and tell the story. But, don't feel beholden to a company just because you think you should stay for a certain amount of time. Also, don't feel guilty about leaving. They misled you in the interview, you realized you've been mislead, and you're ending the contract because of it to go to a job that isn't misleading you. They would fire you if the budget changed, or if they found out you misled them on your resume. Treat companies how they treat you and put yourself first. Just make sure whatever job you're going to next is as good or better. Don't get yourself into a worse situation.

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@@CareerTherapy Thank you for the input! In short I had asked very specific questions about the day to day tasks of the role. One good example is that I had asked if we are designing textiles through illustration and CAD drafting which they said yes. Later I found out that we do not do any illustration at all. The company I am chatting with soon is the team who actually does that work - the team I'm currently on works with one focal in their design team so I think they lumped those exciting details in to beef up their listing.

Making me blush 😊

That's what the postings say, but usually they hire people with a variety of experience. The issue is that the job boards block applicants based on these unrealistic standards, so the people who end up in the job are those who networked their way into the company. Learning how to network and get a referral to get around the ATS is key.