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Always good to hear an Ortlund open the Word of God

Very encouraging thank you

You have hit the nail on the head. This perfectly resonates with my experiences as a vicar trying to engage with people. Also hearing you articulate it, made me realise that there is an apathy within me that has taken hold in certain areas, having become so overwhelmed by the noise and my inability to work through what is true and isn't. This was so helpful, thank you!

Great idea to put out some faculty sermons from chapel!

Changing the name of the channel caught me out 😂 I really enjoyed hearing James preach recently in Harold Wood.

When you have very little understanding of the bible. Just talk and talk to confuse ppl.

What a treasure we have the word of God, thank you Sofi for sharing your conviction in this way.

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Wonderful Dr Brand

So good - thank you!

I really enjoy your podcasts, and find them encouraging. Would it be possible to move the microphones slightly, so those who lip read, can see your mouths? God bless your work and I pray that you reach many who need the nourishing word of God.

Three wonderful Christian men.

The center is where Christ is and no matter how "peripheral" our circumstances appear, we are at the center because we are in Christ. Profound! Thank you, Dr. Sofanit!

Very inspiring.

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So very refreshing to hear committed Christians discuss Islam and Muslims with an irenic spirit, not throwing down political gauntlets to satisfy their followers. You’ve blessed me with this, and I'll pass it on to my Muslim Bangladeshi friend.

I am so grateful to God that I've found this channel!

I had a wonderful time at Oak Hill 1991-1994. Gordon Bridger was the principal, one of the most godly and postoral men I have ever met. Not all theological education was bad in the 80s and 90s.

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Doctor Sofi, a pleasure to learn from you. A great scholar!😊

God bless you,sis🙌😍

What a deep insight Sofi. May the Lord bless in abundance. Having the knowledge spiced with the Holy Spirit and your beautiful smile throughout the podcast, your thoughtful reasoning and elaborations are consuming. God bless you all! Great Job!

Keep up the good work... God bless u, our sister.

Sofi, I'm incredibly proud of you! Keep up the great work, and continue to let Christ's light shine through you!

Great work! God bless

God really works through families.

So refreshing to see my Hebrew Exegesis Prof from Trinity Seminary! Ray your words are like goads, like nails firmly fixed given by one Shepherd! I am now a member in your son's Dane's church in Naperville.

Nice to hear you all talking about the Puritans

Really helpful conversation. Could you do something about microphone levels - Jon is quite a bit quieter than the others (Tim especially)

Would be great to see this theme developed on to include Loving our Jewish Neighbours too?

The disingenuous bunch. Lmao, what is christianity doing for the world. Christianity promotes individually whereas Islam brings us together. Dont compare the 2. Any muslim is a muslim

It makes a change to see Adrian being interviewed rather than doing interviews on the FIEC podcast.

Great conversation

Ahh, no Tim Ward 😔 cool to have two Ortlunds on though 😊

Really enjoyed you digging into Galatians.

I've just been reading a David Shaw article on the inerrancy of scripture in one of the FIEC primers he edited. It complements this conversation well. He also spoke at our church leaders away day last year too 🙂

Lots of interesting points. Have made plenty of notes

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Glad to hear that Dr. Tooth is thinking about what 1&2 Thessalonians meant in its original historical context and how Paul intended it to relevant to its original intended readers in Thessalonica. Here's my take on how they would come to understand 2Thes 2:1-12. Firstly note the time context of the passage - "For the mystery of lawlessness IS ALREADY at work. Only he who NOW restrains it will do so until he is out of the way." (v. 7). In other words, Paul is referring to historical figures who were still living during the time he was writing. Paul wrote both letters in the context of a highly charged political situation, where the Christians in Thessalonica were being charged with preaching sedition and rebellion against Caesar (Acts 17:7). This is why Paul has to talk about the political situation in coded language. He was self-censoring, fearing that explicitly writing something negative against Caesar in a letter could be used to justify further persecution of Christians. In the OT, "the day of the Lord" is not a single day, nor it it merely the day Jesus returns for the final judgement. It is any 'day' where God intervenes in human history to rescue His people and punish their persecutors. For example, 'the day of the Lord' was when He punished the Assyrians (Isaiah 7:10) or to used the Medes to punish the Babylonians (Isaiah 13:9-19). In other words, 'the day of the Lord' is not a single 24 hour period - it is a short season in human history during which God's enemies are punished and His people are delivered. This means that there were several 'days of the Lord' during the OT historical period. This is why some of the recently converted Jewish Christians at Thessalonica thought that 'the day of the Lord' had already come. (2Thes 2:2). Locally, there had been persecutions of Jewish Christians that they had been delivered from but Paul is saying that this is not enough to be 'the day of the Lord.' When Paul refers to 'the day of the Lord' in 2Thes 2:2, I believe he's referring to the Lord Jesus coming on clouds of judgement (c.f. Isaiah 19:1, Nahum 1:3, Jeremiah 4:12-14 ) to punish apostate Jerusalem, destroy the temple and formally end the Old Testament Age, as happened in 70 AD. Before then (2Thes 2:3), the Jewish "rebellion" against Rome in Judea, Jerusalem and Galilee had to happen . This entire period (AD 66-70) would be another 'day of the Lord.' This is when the 'man of lawlessness' would be revealed by setting himself up in the Jewish temple. Just as Antiochus IV Epiphanies erected an altar to Zeus on top of the altar in the Second Temple in Jerusalem and sacrificed a pig on it on December 16, 167 BC, even so Titus did at his father Vespasian's behest in 70 AD. As a conquering General, Titus would have sacrificed a "suovetaurilia" to an effigy of the emperor on the site of the temple, this declaring the victory of the god of Rome over the God of the Jews. (2Thes 2:4). Josephus (The Wars of the Jews 6.4.7.) says that Titus "went into the holy place of the temple, with his commanders... But as the flame had not as yet reached to its inward parts, but was still consuming the rooms that were about the holy house..." 2Thes 2:5 - Paul may not have known the name of the Roman emperor who would be the 'man of lawlessness', but he knew the pattern of God's history. He knew that God had applied the curses of the covenant (Deut 28, Lev 26) several times to apostate Israel during the OT age. 2 Thessalonians was written between 49 AD and 51 AD, during the reign of Claudius (41-54 AD). Paul and the Thessalonians knew that compared to the savage and insane Caligula (who reigned from 37-41 AD) Claudius ruled with great restraint. This is why Paul says "Only he who NOW restrains (i.e. Claudius) it will do so until [Claudius] is out of the way." (2Thes 2:7) After Claudius died in 54 AD, he was succeeded by Nero, who unleashed a horrific persecution of Christians. This was the first manifestation of "the man of lawlessness." Nero died during the first Jewish Roman war on 9 June AD 68. He committed suicide by driving a dagger into his throat, dying in shame and disgrace. Nero was the one "whom the Lord Jesus [killed] with the breath of his mouth and brought to nothing by the appearance of his coming." Since "the man of lawlessness" is also "the mystery of lawlessness" who animated "by the activity of Satan" he doesn't have to be limited to a single human individual. As history unfolded, Nero, Vespasian and Titus turned out to be a satanic trinity that was being used by God to bring judgement on apostate Israel, just has He had previously used the Seleucids, the Assyrians, the Babylonians and the Egyptians to be His agents to administer the curses of the covenant on apostate Israel. Several Roman historians have attributed miracles to Titus and Vespasian. But what does Paul mean by "our being gathered together to" Jesus in 2Thes 2:1? Is that us being gathered together in the clouds immediately prior to the last judgment as in 1Thess 4:17? No. I understand this to mean "our being synagogued together to "Jesus. The Greek word for 'gathered' is 'episunagoges' from which we get our word 'synagogue,' which can also be translated 'assembly.' The question on many of the Jewish Christians mind in Thessalonica must have been, "Given that the Jews were persecuting Jewish Christians in Thessalonica there (Acts 17:1-9), had the formal break with OT Judaism already been made? No. So long as the temple was still standing in Jerusalem, the Christians at Thessalonica were still living in the overlap of the two ages; the age of Israel as the people of God and the age of the Church as the people of God. Remember, the Thessalonians, like the rest of the original readers of the NT, were living "in the last days" of the OT period (c.f. Heb. 1:2, 2Tim 3:1, Act 2:17) and were living at "the end of the age" of the Old Covenant (Matt 24:3). That age ended with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, and so it became impossible to faithfully obey the Old Covenant. Now the people of God would be defined by those who were "gathered together to Jesus" in the assembly of the Church. So what relevance does this passage have to Christians today? Just as Paul was able to discern repeating patterns of judgment and deliverance in history, so it us up to us to do the same until the Lord Jesus returns in victory at the end of the Church age for the last judgement and to make the new heavens and new earth. So we in the West are living through a time of God's judgement and we need to be praying for His deliverance, but this is not proof in itself that there's nothing left for us to do but wait for Jesus to snatch us up into the clouds. Until He returns in victory, we must continue to resist all men of lawlessness, and all who would defile the Church as the new temple of the Lord (Eph. 2:21), and we are to remain on guard, not to be deceived by so called miracle workers who teach apostasy. I hope this helps some of you understand this difficult passage in its original context.

Thank you for this conversation. So very helpful points were made, as expected of course 🙂

Thanks guys, you've given me some ideas for my summer reading 📚

Andrew spoke honestly, clearly and lovingly 👍

Thanks for addressing topic of Church history. Gives some helpful context to understand how Christianity has interacted and influenced the world.

Looks like a good podcast, found it by chance when browsing the Oak Hill website. People just preach from small sections of Job, usually as part of topical sermons, so we don't get the full impact of the book.

Deeply thought provoking and insightful

I loved listening to this conversation. We're planning to look at the book of Ruth as a church in August - what other resources would you recommend to help us dig into it? Thanks!

Great to see you, Tim, it's been a long time! We were at Oak Hill when Rudi Heinz taught Church History, and he almost always ended his lectures with something like ... "That was then, but here's where we see it in the church today." He nearly always linked the church past with the church present. That's why I found Church History relevant and helpful at Oak Hill.

THIS WAS A HELPFUL PODCAST, PARTICULARLY THE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE REFERENCE BOOKS. I DO FEEL THOUGH THAT THE WESTERN MIND LIMITS ITSELF TO WESTERN HISTORY MAYBE PERHAPS BECAUSE MUCH OF THIS IS DOCUMENTED, BUT ALL THE APOSTLES AND CHRSIT HIMSELF WERE MIDDLE EASTERN AND FROM COMLETELY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS - WHO ALSO WROTE FANTASTICALLY, I.E. THE BIBLE. MUCH OF THE WRITINGS IN THE SCRIPTURE EVEN THE OLD TESTAMENT RESONATE WITH ME AS SOMEONE BORN IN AFRICA AND WHO UNDERSTANDS SOME OF THESE CULTURAL ANCIENT JEWISH PRACTICES. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE PRACTICE, WHAT WE THINK IN OUR HEARTS CONCERNING OTHERS AND HOW WE TREAT THEM IS THE MOST ACCURATE REFLECTION OF OUR WALK WITH GOD THAN ANYTHING A MAN CAN WRITE EXTRA-BIBLICALLY. THE BOOK OF OUR LIVES IS IN 'THE BOOK OF LIFE' OPENED UP FOR EACH ONE OF US BY GOD HIMSELF, SO OUR LIVES ARE THE BOOK BY WHICH WE ARE 'JUDGED' BUT NOT CONDEMNED AS BELIEVERS IN THE LORD. I THINK WE WOULD DO WELL IN HAVING MORE TAUGHT EXAMPLES OF TRUE CHRISTIAN PRACTICE THROUGHOUT HISTORY FROM A WIDER POOL OF BELIEVERS BEYOND THE SHORES OF EUROPE.

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Really helpful insights and encouraging podcast. Looking forward to the next one.