We welcome Dr. Rainer Quitzow, research group leader and speaker of the research area of Energy Systems and Societal Change at the IASS Potsdam and senior lecturer at the Technical University of Berlin in Sustainability and Innovation. During this chat we've talked about our joint article "The COVID-19 crisis deepens the gulf between leaders and laggards in the global energy transition", published in the April edition of Energy Research & Social Science. You can find the link to the article here: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214629621000748#!