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Peter, this is eye opening, and I love his heart, really gentle and controlled, but to the end as Bill reflects and judges Des as not humble enough, perhaps Bill should realize he was a company man, in a way that Jesus never was...

They did wrong. And they miscalculated the results of setting up Dez who had brought the young people a beautiful message if the true gospel that had been held back from us by a wayward church.

Your house is left unto you desolate

In 1979 I was studying at Andrews University and working on a Pre-med major in Biochemistry in my Junior year. I was very involved with leading worship and teaching the Sabbath School lesson. I was also struggling to find meaning and purpose in my life. One Friday evening I had an encounter with Jesus in my dorm room where I threw down the gauntlet and told God if He was real I would follow and serve him all the rest of my days but if not, to hell with the idea of God and I would live my life however I wanted. That encounter helped me shift from a man who grew up in an SDA home following his parent’s religion and their definition of the trinity to a man who was born again with a childlike faith, willing to go and do wherever and whatever Jesus, Holy Spirit, and the Father led. In the summer of 1979, I felt like God wanted me to get out of the area and head West. Long story short I ended up at PUC and continued to study towards a BA in Religion with the intent to return to Andrews to pursue an M-Div to follow in my father’s footsteps. I had heard and seen other students talking about Des and his perspectives and heard about his presentations at various venues in the Napa Valley and beyond. I remember sitting with a few Religion majors and discussing Des’ perspectives and their implications. I was doing an externship as part of my studies at the Yountville SDA church where all of the sudden the pastor left the church. I didn’t realize that he left not only the church but all of SDAism because of the results of Glacier View. I eventually left SDAism in 1997, seventeen years later after having studied myself out of it. Peter, I’m so thankful for this series. It has helped fill in the gaps and given much clarity to the evidence that SDA’s need to hear and understand that would help them decide whether to continue being SDA or leaving. It will also help Christ followers understand the nuances of SDAism and discover the realities of the gospel of the kingdom. Thanks for all of your dedication and hard work!

I would prefer the unedited version! Makes me feel like I'm there. I think that's why podcasts are so popular. Years ago we used to be able to sit around the table and talk. Now with all the distractions and phones and devices that kind of social life is rare. Peter, this is an amazing interview. For those of us who attended Des's presentation at PUC in 1979, and later heard about Glacier View, whether we were conservative or liberal, getting Bill's take on what happened is just amazing. I was also intrigued by Bill comment that he didn't miss his time in the GC. I've also heard this sentiment echoed by his contemporaries that worked there. I feel like I could write forever on all this, but just can't here. I so much appreciate you posting these videos and doing the interviews. It really helps with the grieving process, which seems like it takes a long time for some of us that were so involved. For all the flaws in the people involved, the bottom line is that we were lied to, and we bought the lies. ". . . we are proclaiming the good news to you, so that you should turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything that is in them." Acts 14:15 Biblical Studies Press. 2019. The NET Bible. Second Edition. Denmark: Thomas Nelson.

Thank you, Peter for putting this season up. It will be a real useful resource.

I quote Mr Godfrey, "Those things that are true in the morning of life are not necessarily so by the afternoon." What I found profound is when he said he doesn't miss any of it, but he misses talking about Jesus. ❤

I love fact Peter that these videos will be unedited. It makes their credibility all the more powerful.