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Marshall Brain: "How Can We Know If God Is Imaginary?" - SSA at NCSU Guest Speaker
A talk by Marshall Brain for the Secular Student Alliance at North Carolina State University on November 4, 2014.
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75% of Americans claim to be Christian, and in North Carolina the number goes even higher. More than half of American adults believe that Bible stories like the Garden of Eden and Noah's Ark are literally true. Meanwhile, a growing group in the U.S. state that God - the personal, supernatural deity claimed by many religions - is imaginary.
How do thoughtful people decide whether God is real? How do scientists understand whether a story like Noah's is true or not? In this enlightening talk, Marshall Brain and the audience will explore the ways that we can know, with certainty,...
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75% of Americans claim to be Christian, and in North Carolina the number goes even higher. More than half of American adults believe that Bible stories like the Garden of Eden and Noah's Ark are literally true. Meanwhile, a growing group in the U.S. state that God - the personal, supernatural deity claimed by many religions - is imaginary.
How do thoughtful people decide whether God is real? How do scientists understand whether a story like Noah's is true or not? In this enlightening talk, Marshall Brain and the audience will explore the ways that we can know, with certainty,...
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Can anyone PLEASE provide a link where mr. Marshall actually goes toe-to-toe in a debate against an actual Christian apologist. I can't seem to find one for some reason. Thanks in advance.
Not aware of any debate between Mr Brain and Christians but I, as an ex-Christian and an atheist would submit that the debate won’t do anything to change Christian’s faith. William Lane Craig argues for a prime mover God. Everything that begins to exist has a cause. Universe began to exist, therefore God! Or he’d argue for Jesus’s resurrection as being a proof all the while willing to concede that the Bible has errors, etc.
Marshall's Brain is sooo big, and his ego is sooo big, he pretends he can speak for anyone and everyone....someone trained in engineering and computer science thinks he is qualified to speak of spirituality and metaphysics. Dear Marshall Brain, I present to you a Challenge....A Public Debate on Things Spiritual and Metaphysical....you name the time and place.
Donald Ciriacks: So, at what university did you attain your degrees in Spiritual Metaphysics? 🤪😂
Trinity....
@@qigung The University of Spiritual Metaphysics. Yeah, I know. That's over your head, lol. (Metaphysical Humore)
@@donaldciriacks9886 please consider that IF people want to believe they will believe. If I want to believe in Santa, for example, no argument will convince me that Santa doesn’t exist!
Jesus materializes to many people today in his spiritual body, especially to people in Israel and Africa and India, especially to the truly humble who have a sincere need for his help. There are millions and millions of such witnesses.
That is not true Jesus does not materialize to people now or ever. you are of course free to make that claim but without evidence we are free to dismiss it.
Jesus never heals amputees. Not in Israel, not in Africa and not in India.
Santa also appears to some people.
I believe that it is false for Mr Brain to claim that the Christian God is the majority God on earth, because the vast majority of China, India, and other Asian populations who are not Muslims do not hold the Christian God as one of their Gods
Christians Catholics Jewish people and Muslims all pray to the same God. If I'm not mistaken if you add all of those people up that gets you over half of the world's population. I suppose you could quibble about each religions God being slightly different, different enough that it's no longer the same entity being referenced but... At that point it becomes hard to draw a line. we could easily start saying that the person in row one of a church and the person in row 2 of a church are praying to different gods if they have disagreement about the exact definition, which they probably do.
I was born in a Christian home but now I'm convinced that religion is likely fake. However, I still struggle with an idea of Hell and eternal, unending torture that cannot be relieved. This is probably a made up idea, but I can't seem to shake this fear.
Hell is a powerful scare tactic. Jews don't believe in hell they go to Sheol whether good bad rich or poor. Zoroastriansm is even older and they believed in a heaven and a hell. RUclipsrs Aron Ra Richard Carrier knows ancient history and Jesus and many other gods just like Jesuss story. FriendlyAtheist RUclips channel is very insightful as well.
FriendlyAtheist , like a lot of people was raised religious and he talks about many different topics. Whatever you believe in religion or non religion is not something you decide quickly, like most people gives a lot of thought to it. I'm saying the goal is to get more people aware religion can be harmful. People have their heart in the right place just religion is often flawed.
That one can be resolved whether you are a Christian or not. Look up a digital copy of the Bible and search for words like "hell," "afterlife," "sheol," "underworld," etc. You'll find that the narrative painted does not come from the religious text source at all. I think a lake of fire may be mentioned somewhere, but Revelations reads about a judgement day that results in a reawakening of the dead followed by a second death for the unselected. There's no detail about an afterlife for them, hell or otherwise. I think the fire and brimstone version of hell comes from other mythologies (e.g Greek Hades) and/or later literature like the Divine Comedy or something like that. The epic of Gilgamesh mentions similar mythologies to parts of the old testament and I think there is an underworld mentioned there, however the description I read resembles a mass grave more than a pit of unending torment monitored by dominatrix succubi with whips and pitchforks. Although at least in the latter case you'd have some eye-candy.
The Truth is that prayer does not work for you because you have selfish desire, you have no desire to live for Him or fulfill His will. So, thank God it does not work for you!! Besides, God does not hear the prayers of the wicked!!
God hears the prayers of all.
@@elijahnelson265 entities that don't exist cannot hear prayer. Since we know with 100% certainty that God does not exist then your prayers are not heard by anybody. Maybe someday you can join the rest of us in reality?
@@ianyboo hey man - religion has done alot for me and my family. In the past I've noticed that individuals who believe themselves to be of high intelligence often interpret their ability to live and possibly thrive without god as meaning god does not exist - this is wrong. God bless you - i hope you find a relationship with God and happiness along the way.
@@elijahnelson265 if God told you to kill somebody would you try to kill that person? (Keep in mind that in the Bible God on several occasions told one person to kill another person so this is absolutely something that could happen to you even if you believe it's incredibly unlikely)
No wonder you haven't found God, you may just die in your sins like a fool!! Just like Hitchens did. He is tormented in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for eternity now. "And THIS is the confidence that we have in Him, that, if we ask any thing ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, He heareth us: And if we know that He hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of Him." 1 John 5:14-15
That's one of the reasons I'm not a christian. It would mean having to fundamentally change my better human nature into someone who delights in some imagined "eternal suffering" of others. How will you be happy in heaven knowing that, say, a brother or a sister or your mother, or some other person you loved, might be suffering in hell? How could that be heaven for you?
As a fellow believer Rosanna, it seems to me by the tone of your words you are not displaying the Fruits of the Spirit....love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, etc
God loves you so much, that he will torture you in Hell if you don't love him back.
@@donaldciriacks9886 she is just sharing 'the truth' in 'love'. Trying to get heathens' attention so we don't end up in Hell
@@bobak5126 Haven't you heard. There is no hell, as far as eternal torment goes. If there is, prove it.
Perhaps Marshall can explain this passage; James 4:2-32 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
He did explain it. If you ask that all childhood cancer will be cured, nothing will happen, even though you will not spend this on your pleasures if your prayer comes through.
Hell no. Marshall Brain if u don't believe in gid then how were u created huh? What “ science" created u. Yeah right. I believe in god. Jesus. And the holy spirit. And there's nothing u can do to stop me
Armando Alamo excuse me. Please find time searching "Argument from Ignorance" in Wikipedia. You are committing a logical fallacy there called "argument from ignorance".
+KemGroupRTU Faith does not automatically constitute ignorance. Faith can't be disproved by physical science because it's spiritual. Science can't prove or disprove the true origin of life and what happens after death. Simple science can't explain the mind, self awareness, and sentience.
+therockstar17 the same was said in the bronze age about thunder or earthquakes. 'Science can't tell us what these are so people said they must be due to god'. But science tells us what's true about the world. We can find out (and will someday) about the mind or the origin of life and the universe. BTW it's not science's job to disprove god or the soul or faith. That's backward. Look up Burden of Proof on Wikipedia or any first year university science philosophy text. It's the one who makes the positive claim in favour of a proposition (god exists, a soul exists etc) that has the burden to prove it. If there's no convincing evidence, then the rational thing to do is withhold belief (ie not believe). Faith is holding a belief without evidence. Plain and simple
I recently purchased Marshall's book - "How god works". This book focuses on critical thinking. He talks about logic , reality & illusions. He goes into deep detail about how phony religion really is. Science doesn't need god to explain how life really works. Marshall's book is right up there with Carl Sagan's books- packed with facts and logic! I highly recommend anyone who questions God, Jesus, the bible, ect - to read this masterpiece of knowledge! Thank you for this post!!!!!
"none of the theories in question will be comprehensible without the presence of an absolute power" Name one accepted scientific theory that requires a creator.