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That's great information! Thank you so much.

Yeah I agree, zero drop isn't for everyone. And the Salomon is a great shoe

The 25cm is really only under ideal conditions and difficult to achieve in the wild. It is going to depend on your folding/stuffing skills and time you are willing to spend doing so in the morning when breaking camp. It can be done if you take the time to really fold carefully (and if the weather conditions aren't blowing it all around) and then roll really tightly. And be willing to start over if your rolling doesn't go straight. In practice I fold and roll sloppily because I'm in a rush and it ends up being 30cm.

@@ozoutdoorsThanks for the insights. Just purchased the DCF floor version here in the UK with ZFlick poles. Hyper excited to see how this works for me and my unusual geared touring unicycle rig. Should pack OK in either a 3L down tube bag or a 17l Apidura saddle bag. And the weight on a single wheel system is going to help a lot. ⚙️🤩

@@mindbalance_cc backpacking with a unicycle sounds totally epic 🤯. Best of luck!

I'm sorry to hear that! I haven't had the troubles you mentioned setting it up as long as I get the ground corners square before putting up the poles. It does require some stuffing effort to get it into the bag. I've been taking my Altaplex bag which is bigger and doesn't require as much stuffing. I'd be curious to know what your perfect tent ends up being.

Just watch Dan Dursto's pitching guide if you are not able to pitch it properly from text. I just returned from my GR221 thru hike where I slept in the mountains under the highest peak and a huge storm came in the middle of the night. The tent held up perfectly during high winds and 150mm of rainfall over single night. Just stake out the base square, tighten all the corners before you insert the poles and that's it. Just 4 stakes (or 6 if you stake out the vestibules as well).

@@hologos_ Yup! That's exactly the way and it works for me perfectly. I carry 6 stakes because I often wreck one in the terrain where I camp so I start out by staking out both vestibules but normally end up with just one of them.

If you can’t figure out how to properly pitch an X mid you’re slow, that’s not a problem with the design. It’s really not that complicated

Yes I can understand that. I wear an eye mask at night when I'm in any tent, even ones less translucent. I kind of like that I can see movement outside without having to open the doors so I know when fellow hikers are up and about.

The nylon floor version still comes in a nylon bag. You're right the bag is added value. I didn't think about that when doing the comparison.

Yeah I don't know what to say. I've seen the reports of people with wear issues but my Lone Peak 6s are still going strong. I use them for hiking, trail running, and general workouts. Maybe different batches had different quality standards and I randomly got a pair from a good batch. But also the Topos weren't comfortable for me. They had that tongue bite whereas the Altras are just comfortable from the beginning.

@@ozoutdoors I bought my son the Topo pursuits based on not liking the durability of the Altras or the concept and politics of Hoka. All that said it makes it hard to get shoes that work for each different foot shape since stores don't really exist anymore that carry most of these brands. And laying down half a grand plus to try them on at home isn't doable for everyone. Good talk and God bless!

As far as single walled tents go, this is the best one I've found for condensation management, because of the vents at the peaks and the ability to pitch it up a little higher to allow air flow through from bottom to top. I've woken up to damp walls but I've yet to have condensation drip onto my face during the night, which has definitely happened with other single walled tents. I've tried the Gossamer Gear 1, and it has floods of condensation. The Altaplex has also been worse for me in that regard than the Durston. I haven't tried the Lanshan 1p. The other consideration with Lanshan is that they are significantly heavier than the equivalent Durston tents. I think DCF isn't as susceptible to puncture as it is to just wearing out from abrasion. With a knife or something sharp like thorns sure it would puncture, but so would nylon. With rocks I don't think you'd see a difference in "puncturability".

​@ozoutdoors I appreciate the quick follow up. I am torn between this tent and a couple free standing models. Condensation is a serious concern of mine. I am looking into some pmpretty serious back country trips and I am trying to finalize this .. tough decisions!!! Forgot my other question, so I may shout back at you. Thanks again!

@@TestrunRX7 Are the freestanding models you're looking at also dual wall? Dual wall is probably the best way to handle condensation because the inner wall (normally mesh) creates a barrier that stops the warm air you're breathing out from condensing on the outer wall. And if some does condense, it doesn't drip onto you because the inner wall catches it. Obviously the trade-off is weight because you've got an extra layer of material inside the tent.

I do go backpacking alone. I feel like if I were to do something life-threatening like cut an artery then that would also be life-threatening even if I weren't on blood thinners, and would require use of the same techniques like tying a tourniquet, so I haven't taken on board extra worries about the most extreme cases like that. I've just focused on the smaller cases of cuts and bruises. For cuts I take blood clotting gauze and powder with me. For bruises I just try to be more careful, but also have found that bruising (at least for me) isn't as much of an issue as I had been warned. When I first started out on blood thinners I bruised at the slightest knock, along with daily nose-bleeds, but now over a year in I don't bruise any worse than I did before blood thinners, and the nose-bleeds have stopped. I do take an SOS device with me such as a Zoleo or Garmin InReach.

@@ozoutdoors Thank you for your great reply. For my most recent trip I bought QuickClot bandages. I'll get the powder too and study up on first aid and how to use them. I guess I'm lucky-no nose bleeds or bruises. And I did buy an inReach a few years ago, before I was put on a blood thinner, since I usually backpack alone. I'm 65 and actually want to step up my backpacking to do some trips with resupplies (longer trips, like a month) and in other states (I'm in California). You inspire me to go for it.

After some research, I think the screeching was a mountain lion. I had never heard one before.

@@ozoutdoorsmountain lions. That’s pretty cool. I did sleep With the lights off. Slept like a baby.

Thank you! I would have liked to include more tents but I'm not popular enough to get sent free gear to review and not rich enough to buy it all 😅. So I compared the ones I had which I actually use (except the Plex Solo which I borrowed from a friend)

Man I wish 😄. Hiking and YouTubing are just hobbies. I have a full-time career so I can't make videos often enough for the algorithm. I do it as and when I can. Maybe one day I'll get popular 😅

@@ozoutdoorsthat’s all I wish you!

You won't regret it. It's been rock solid.

Hey sorry I didn't see your question sooner :( Hope the answer isn't too late. Once I've got my sleep system set up I don't find the noise of the DCF is a problem at all. I have a closed-cell foam sit pad which I put down first, then my air mattress on top. The foam pad underneath really helps prevent the air mattress from moving, which is good for both noise reduction and if pitched on a slight incline.

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it

Lol, I never understood comments like your's.... like wtf?

Disagree. Love it.

Thanks! My son is also 6'3" and he's happy with the pro1. It's not super spacious for him, so if you want margin for being able to slide up and down a bit if you're pitched on an incline, then go with the pro2 and lie on the diagonal. But he's willing to have his toes close at one end and his head close at the other end in order to have the smaller footprint of the pro1. We hike a lot where there aren't designated camp sites so a smaller footprint is very handy when you're trying to find a flat spot on a hill.

Altra, Topo, and Hoka that I mention in the video all have models with different drops, and all do a 30 day return even if you've worn the shoes. So I would suggest buying a few pairs with different drops, going for a hike in all of them, and then returning the ones that don't work. You could even do them one-at-a-time rather than ordering several pairs at once.

Oh man that's crazy! And on your first trip! Glad to hear it's so repairable though. I haven't had any further rips or tears since that first night out and the DCF tape I happened to have with me has stayed well stuck on.

Glad it was helpful!

Yeah they are pricey. You can knock off several hundred dollars if you're willing to carry a few more ounces.

They have silpoly versions that are a fraction of the cost. Dyneema is expensive.

Hi there, the silnylon will be more resistant to puncture and abrasion. It will absorb water a little bit which will add to the weight of the tent after a wet night, and will be harder to dry out. The DCF is lighter, does not absorb any water and dries very quickly. It is not quite as robust as sinlnylon but I'm careful with my gear and I've never had a puncture nor tear in the floor.

@@ozoutdoors thanks 👍

Yeah good points, those are the downsides of DCF. I had an Altaplex with a DCF floor for several years and it didn't puncture so I think with care the DCF version of the X-Mid Pro 1 will be durable enough for me.

@@ozoutdoors Similarly, I have an Altaplex tarp that I use with the Z-packs bathtub floor and am just careful with it. The upside is how patchable it is if I do get a hole. I'm hoping that in the future the Aluula fabric will be made in a light enough version for tents, I am told it is almost there for flys and may already be there for floors. It will solve the problem of on-the-bias stretch and non-recovery of the mylar in DCF that makes DCF tents all puckered and flappy over time.

Yes, I'm really hoping to see Aluula tents soon. Durston has a pack made of it, but not yet a tent. My Altaplex got super stretched very quickly. People mock me for not being able to pitch it well, but the fact is that it's impossible now. We'll see how the X-Mid Pro 1 holds up over time. The 2023 version showed much less sign of stretching than the Altaplex and I think the way it pitches should hold up better over time.

What things would have been on your wishlist?

@scottcampbell3644, You did a scientific study on the importance to people of being able to manage zippers with one hand? I think you're talking out of you a$$.

One-handed operation is something Durston Gear specifically highlights in their product description as a selling point. I'm just pointing out that not everything can be done with one hand, and that they could still make improvements in that regard. It's just a matter of convenience though, and if it doesn't bother you then that's great.

@@ozoutdoors The little tie for the netting seems out of place with the magnets and the zippers in that regard, doesn't it?

@drytool Yeah, that's how I see it, and thanks for the support :)

Hey Mike, thanks! I'm 6 foot (1.83m). The X-mid suits me absolutely perfectly. My son who bought my old one is 6 foot 3 inches (1.91m). Because the end walls slope up really steeply it even suits him as well.

@@ozoutdoors thankyu very much for your getting back to me so quickly. Have a good day Mike

Same! Left my Altaplex for the 2023 Durston X-Mid Pro 1 and haven't looked back. I don't find I need the space of a two person tent either.

I hadn't thought of that!

I don't like the 2 way zips on my other tents, seems like I accidently grab both more than use the top for venting

Yeah as you know I had the Altaplex before so the Durston actually gave me more usable floor space and I've been fine with it. My recovery has hit some speedbumps, but I did the Buffalo River Trail recently and I'll have a video on that soon.

@@ozoutdoors have you looked at the new altaPlex lite floor size/ shape? Check it out, huge! Hope you continue to heal up! 🙏

Yeah, me too, as soon as I negotiated a sale for the original one 😆

Why was that a must? Other than the lighter weight mentioned in the video, just curious.

@@FilipWinter Sorry, didn't see your question sooner! For me it was a must not just because of the initial lighter weight out of the box but also because DCF has zero absorbency, so after sitting in a puddle of water overnight you can just shake the water off the underneath of the floor and you don't have to pack damp nylon. It also fully dries much faster if you can spread it out during a dry period.

Thanks for the sub!

Same!

Thank you for the kind comment!

Thanks! Hope to have a couple more videos out soon.

Yeah a few people have commented that. It hasn't been my experience with the Altras. I've got a few hundred miles on my Lone Peak 6s and they are still going strong.

Awesome! Glad you found a solution. They work great for me too.

It's not too far from mine - easy to drive to. I went back and did the long loop in another video. Beautiful.

I started at the Fairview campground and headed west. I had intended to start at Chancel but there was a seasonal creek that was up so high I couldn't cross it.

I agree, they are expensive. I've also used Asics for many years for sports and workouts. For hiking I find a wide toe box indispensable and afaik Asics don't have any model with that.