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I welcome the J W people who stop by BUT that doesn't mean I believe as they do 😊

They're both wrong. There's no such thing as God. If Jesus existed he was just another cult leader but with really good PR.

There is no such thing as trinity in Scripture *at all.* It is a philosophical concept (not a teaching) pushed on the Scriptures by mainly *abusing* the Gospel of John. The Israelites were no trinitarians and neither were Jesus Christ and the Apostles. They worshipped one God >>> The Father!

JWs are Bots . You’re wasting your breathe

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Maybe it meant Jesus did have some glory before the earth existed, but now he does not? Jesus can't share and not share at the same time. Sorry but they are not the same.

Yes, Jehovah shares his glory with no one. Jesus has his own glory - separate from the Father. Simple.

This is what it would look like if a man who believed that the world was flat was trying to explain to a woman who believes the world to be square is wrong. All religion is n0ns3n53. 😅

JESUS CHRIST CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN THE FLESH AND JESUS CHRIST IS GOD PERIOD AND JESUS CHRIST IS MY RIGHTEOUSNESS AND GOD BECAME FLESH ❤ ACTS 2 38 ❤

Very Funny, I'm not the one you're having this conversation with.

at 10:25 it looked poetic when the wind started to blow as you said those words to him

Our belief affects our definition of the word ‘God’ but the the Word of God teaches us the knowledge to understand what we can't understand. Jesus said that people and judges of the Israelites was called god by God. (Psalm 82:6; John 10:34-35) Even Satan is called the god of this World. (2 Corinthians 4:4) The word 'God' in the bible is used to convey different meaning, and in the examples, this word is used to describe someone who has power and authority to rule over people, nation, or the world. But it doesn't necessarily mean we have to venerate them, give our praise, full devotion, and trust-which is only for the Almighty God the Father YHWH through Jesus Christ.” (Deuteronomy 6:4,5; Mark 12:30; Revelation 4:8-11). Jesus, the Son of God, is called ‘God’ by Almighty God the Father for he is the heir of the Kingdom of God. (Hebrews 1:2,8) He is appointed by the Almighty God the Father and received the authority to rule over everything. (Hebrews 1:9) “The LORD(Almighty God the Father YHWH) said to my Lord(The Son of God Jesus Christ), ‘Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.’ The LORD shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion. Rule in the midst of Your enemies!” (Psalms 110:1-7) Almighty God said pertaining to Jesus, “Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”(Isaiah 53:12) Jesus sacrifice leads to the salvation of the "persons from every tribe and language and people and nation." (Revelation 5:9) "Worthy is the Lamb (Jesus), who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!" (Revelation 5:12) Through the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, leads people to the only true Almighty God the Father YHWH.(John 14:6; Revelation 5:9,10)

Jesus Christ(the Son of God) is not Almighty God the Father YHWH. 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 - Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as in fact there are many gods and many lords- yet for us there is one GOD, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (there is a clear distinction between the two) We have one GOD, Almighty God the Father YHWH; and one Lord, Jesus Christ. Jesus said, “I am the WAY, the truth, and the life. No one COMES TO THE FATHER except through me.” Jesus Christ is the WAY and leads people to the genuine worship of the one and only true Almighty God the Father YHWH. (John 14:6; Revelation 5:9,10)

Odin is the true god!

She looks like she's not hearing a word he's saying.

You lost her she’s not listening.

When they say firstborn you say "no, Cain was the firstborn." When they say, "Well not LITERALLY the first born." You have your opening to show them what firstborn means in the OT.

Read Hebrews chapter 1. The Father God calls Jesus the Son eternal God and creator.

“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.” Isaiah 42:8 kjv “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5 kjv “We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are. For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, in His grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when He freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed His life, shedding His blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when He held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for He was looking ahead and including them in what He would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate His righteousness, for He Himself is fair and just, and He makes sinners right in His sight when they believe in Jesus. There is only one God, and He makes people right with Himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:22-26, 30‬ ‭(NLT‬‬)

The differences are not that great. They’re just two of the many Jesus diseases.

Actually, I think you just proved that John 17 is at odds with Isaiah - that Christianity is a bogus religion that is incompatible with the OT. It's texts like these that prove to Rabbis that Christianity is a ridiculous heresy to Judaism, in much the same way that most Christians would consider Mormonism a ridiculous heresy at odds with the Bible.

If i received an award and I asked my son to accompany me on stage to get it, he's there sharing my glory as it were but he's not now equal with me cause he's there! Jesus was the 1st born of creation! The Bible does not support Trinitarian beliefs at all.

Jesus is created, though. I'm not a JW 1 Corinthians 8:6 Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. God = The painter. Jesus = The paintbrush... It isn't hard my brothers and sisters.

If Latter Day Saints actually do worship the same Jesus as mainstream Christians, then a person can inadvertently deny Christ by saying they/we worship a different Jesus. Peter denied the Christ 3 times before he even realized what he had done. How many times will it take you?

Let's read the rest of what Jesus said the following: John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. In verse two, Jesus states very clearly that Jesus was given life, so that Jesus could give eternal life to those that the Father gave him. In verse three Jesus states who the one true God is, and it is not him but the Father. Now, if the Father decides to give the son His glory, or share it, that is God's choice as the one true God is sovereign. Now read three chapters later in John 20: 17 "do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But Rather, go and tell my brethren that I go to MY FATHER, and your Father. To MY GOD, and your God." We also see that Jesus has a God in as we see in this passge of Scripture from Jesus' own words. Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Jesus says that those who endure until the end will be pillars in the temple of his God, that Jesus will write his God's Name on us along with the city of Jesus' God, which comes down out of Heaven from his God. There is not getting around these words of Jesus. I have searched over fourty translations and they all say the same thing. Jesus is not God the son, his is the son of the one true God our Heavenly Father. Jesus is the word become flesh, it wasn't the Father who became flesh. Jesus is contingent upon the Father, the Father is not contingent upon the son.

I mean... who cares? No one religion is perfect. Let her believe what she wants to believe... she's not hurting anyone.

Quoting translated texts from the Middle Ages……. Yet can I get anyone to read one of my stories? 🤪 (they are rubbish though)(my stories! I’d never say the Middle Ages translations are rubbish!!!!)

This is stupid. IF Jesus were God he would not aske God to bring him back into his Glory. Jesus stated that the father is the only True GOD in John 17:3.

Jesus had his own glory as do all the angels and even Satan. The glory of Jehovah is like a burning star, it's bright and would kill a fleshly man. The scripture did not say bring me back to share your glory but to be IN your glory, or powerful presence . Try looking in a different translation. This proves that Jesus is not God as Jesus asked to be brought close TO God, which he would not ask if he were God. This is stupid.

He's not god 😂😂 do u know l what's gods name 😂

Why is she wearing pants while out in the ministry? Did they change their guidelines?

You were read John 1 when you were young and told that Jesus was never created. However, It doesnt say that. It says Jesus was in the beginning. The beginning of what? If there is a beginning then logic tells us that there likely is an end. Jesus also refers to Himself as Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Again Alpha is the beginning and Omega the end. If you could leave your early teaching behind you may see that Jesus was a spirit and was begotten by the father. He remained a spirit until he came to this earth as a baby when he received a special body that could never be killed, only Jesus could give up His life, as He did. He returned as a spirit before He ascended to His Father. After this He he had a body that couldnt be destroyed, a glorious body like His Father and one like we might receive some day. If Jesus was begotten by His Father then He didnt exist as a spirit before that time. He existed as something else, so did we. As a spirit, he proved to be the most intelligent of Heavenly Fathers children. He was involved in the physical creation of man, but not the spiritual creation. When it talks about the the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, it is referring to Jesus being the firstborn of God and who was there at the physical beginning of mankind. When its time to finally bring the curtain down on man, Jesus will perform it...He is the first, at the beginning and He will be last...at the end. The scriptures are plain to read but easy to twist. You need to relearn what you have read without it being clouded by what you have been told. God bless.

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To be honest these kinds of debates seem pointless. Every single person has a unique relationship with Jesus Christ. Calling out one or another for not believing exactly as another who Jesus Christ is to them... Or rather it is just childish to say someone isn't Christian because it doesn't fit our view or this church's view... There are a lot of later -day saints (Mormons) that would die for Jesus of Nazarath or rather have already given up their whole lives following his teachings in the new testament and they aren't "Christian". This must be a joke. The whole debate isn't even Christian in nature. Christ invited all. Nearly 2000 years have passed and people today actually believe they are like the Christians of old in every view and belief of Christ. This is just not a reality. What makes Jesus Christ the Savior of all mankind is because He knows the heart, he knows all the pain, he knows each of us individually, etc. We will never understand Him fully in this life..our imperfections will stand with us through our mortality. I believe if a person follows the teachings of Jesus Christ as he taught in the Bible, as closely as they can then They are Christian. Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ. That simple. It can be very destructive for any Christian to judge this. We should get together no matter what church and be kind and respective not putting people into groups that they themselves don't feel like they belong. Members of the church of Jesus Christ of later day saints strongly believe they are Christians. I wish people would stop shoving them out and excluding them. I think that is very un-Christian.

Yes we are! We are Christians..why is this so hard for people to understand? Mormons are Christians....Jesus Christ is the son of God...how hard is that to understand? Not very hard at all...btw..who are you to judge? Are you perfect? Are you a Christian? If you are why are you basically passing judgment on the Mormon church, which you really don't understand the religion and how can you honestly sit there and tell people that Mormons aren't Christians without knowing anything about the religion?

Satan hates these verses so much he arranged to take them out of most of the modern Bibles. "7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." 1 John 5:7-8

Mormons don't believe Jesus' spirit is created. You don't know what you are talking about.

if you believe the New Testament, you are Christian period. Do Mormons believe the New Testament? Yes, they do.

Wooooow that was a good point!!! Glory to God! Thank you for sharing 🙏🙌

The LDS believe in a different Jesus , and follow a list of false prophets. Gods word never changes.

They can't even spell moron correctly

Mormons do not believe Jesus is a created being. Their theology presupposes that every being has existed eternally. Why are you spreading misinformation?

i guess all you gotta do now is prove a jesus or a god.

Who is a true Christian? Thats a debate going on for ages, and even evangelicals disgree all over the place what defines a true Christian. To believe a true Christian is someone that has the proper, doctrinal understanding of Jesus, or its those that have faith, or good works, or that prophecy, dont know the scriptures. Those who are true Christians are those that "know God", and not so much those that may know everything about God. To believe that you can prove Mormons to not be Christians by disagreeing with your interpretation of the Bible, is totally contrary to the Bible., Jesus did not say that those that get every doctrine right, or those that have faith to move mountains will neccesarely be true Christians. Rather he thaught that even someone like the good Samaritan, who was considered pagan by the jews, who erred in doctrine, who believes in a false God, was still considered good by Jesus because of his mercy and charity brought forth from a pure hear. You can self-delude yourself in claiming to know whom Christ will call pure and whom not, but in the end, Jesus will call pure whatsoever, and whosoever brings forth the good fruits, and these good fruits are not limited to evvangelicals, catholics or Mormons, its a gift offered to everyone that proves to "know God". What you do is deny Gods power and beauty by narrowing his atonement down to your interpretation of the Bible, which interpretation leads to the conclusion that Christs atonement, his whole sacrifice, is only to a select few that agree witih you. What a wonderful place heaven must be with people sharing that view on God. I tend to believe you will be surprised one day when you stand before God. To understand the creation of all things, and Jesus being the creator of all thing, you also need to understand ancient rethoric, as well as Mormon doctrine. There is way more than what you see here to all these teachings. LDS doctrine is clear, Jesus, as well as all other living beings, have a eternal, everlasting aspect, as well as a created aspect (like JEsus becoming flesh).. Imporant is to understand all these things in their proper context, then you will see that there is contradiction here.

Respectfully, you misunderstand what members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe, and that removes the legs on which your argument stands.

We are not elohims ( Hebrew) a word used to refer to spiritual beings , which literally means the mighty ones or strong ones ,we are nephes(Hebrew) living souls or flesh and blood.we can't see the God almighty,only Jesus and the angels ,Luke 1:19 Angel Gabriel stated he is an Angel who stands in the presence of God almighty.. an Angel present in God almighty eyes directly to be used at any given time to carry out God's will ,You see el is present at the end of the name Gabriel..other examples Immanuel and Michael..Read Job 1:9 a great gathering of God and the Angels in heaven..they see God with theirs eyes .

The Trinity is a false pagan teaching

Jesus is not God You know nether the father or the Bible

What does Jesus tell Satan when he tried to get him to do an act of worship see Matthew 4:10. The tetragrammaton belongs here which is Jehovah in English see three places where the scriptures show Jesus had a beginning revelation 3:14, Colossians 1:15 and proverbs 8:22

Jesus is definitely created in the way that we are all created. If you care about this issue I would recommend you read the JST John 1:1. We agree that Jehovah, Jesus created all physical matter, but spiritual matter is of our Father. We Saints of the Latter Days are definitely Christian, we have no reason to care what you think because you will not be judging us on the last day, Christ will. However whatever you call our church, we simply have more truth; a truer God, a truer gospel, a deeper understanding, we can know everything from asking our Father.