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yes, you're right, she seems to be gaining advantage there, even though I wouldn't call it because of the final outcome, not bettering her position. Also from white jammer, she seems to be using her forearms to pass black 85 on 185 timestamp both in the IPR and OPR points of view.

I think you're right ... good call.

On the MPB at 35, combining the footage of all three angles, maybe. But for me it is not clear enough when and if the grasp really impedes the Jammer from going in between the two Black Blockers. The Jammer is not trying to get through all of the time, sometimes they are engaging but one Blocker, and the grasp is also not there all of the time. From every single spot, only having that information, it would probably be a no-call.

In regards to the arms used by the Black Jammer on timestamp 60. Yes, they seem to be using their arm, but I'm not sure if it is upper arm or elbow/forearm. And to me the White Blocker is not losing relative position at 70, if anything they 'gain' position on their teammate. So, for me, no-call on the use of forearms.

For me it's a no call on those two actions (clockwise block and clockwise assist). I'd consider the clockwise action you describe as a a separate event from the 2 other black blockers that get in front. These 2 blockers were on their way to in front of the Jammer anyway, and the clockwise block (and assist) did not contribute to them moving in front.

I'd say so, there is no way the White Jammer can otherwise safely regain balance in order to step out, what clearly is the first thing she tries to do.

It's the same action Marie Veronis is hinting at below, but inversed. I'd agree with them that I would rather be looking for a Blocking with the Head for the White Jammer than a High Block for the Black Blocker.

Mmmmh, it is very hard to see, it looks as if the initial contact is legal, and what blocks the jammer towards out, and the forearm swings out following the hit. Probably a no-call for me, but you might be right.

Looks that way indeed, I'm not 100% sure on the impact, but forearms don't need much to be called ...

Haha, upon checking again it is the same one I reported. Great minds think alike ;-)

Why and where would Black 22 have to yield?

Good call, at around timestamp 250, impeding Black 72 from reaching her wall to stop the White Jammer.

She is leading with the head a bit, yes. But it seems incidental for the most part, and short and without gaining advantage. I probably would not make the call. But well spotted!

Issue a warning under 2017 rules.

Marie Véronis, good eyes :-)

That, and a clockwise block from black 237 on the white jammer at 190

The funny thing is Black 101 and Black 8 seem to think that there is a miss cut track penalty for the jammer at 200, but actualy they are both behind when white jammer get out, and white jammer enter behind black 237, which is OK. As black 237 would go in the pbox for a clockwise block, white jammer might as well have re enter in front of 237 :)

Yes, now I see the clockwise too ... (although maybe it is a stopped, in slow-motion the black skater blocks clockwise with no impact, comes to a stop and gives an extra pus, putting the White Jammer OOB)

Yep definitely. White 81 Cutting (call it at 89 from OPR view, and not before). By 90 on OPR view we can see she is not yielding the cut either (per 2017) ruleset) so still a cutting penalty under 2017 just need to wait a moment longer to see if she exits to fix her mistake.

I'd say the contact is mostly to the upper arm, there seems to be one short contact to the forearm at the end of the action, but the arm folds away immediately. So no-call on a forearms for me. Could be a call on blocking with a straight arm though, so elbows penalty, but I in that case the impact needs to be bigger (plus I usually only use that rule for making clotheslines).

I see what you mean, but especially on slow motion it does not look as if the Black Jammer counterblocks. However, in slow motion it also looks like a continued clockwise block ... Still, on both, no-call for me.

I'm asking the same. Could we say that the white blocker is the initiator because she's behing the black blocker ?

It doesn't really matter who's behind who (unless of course someone would purposefully position themselves there at the very last second). But the way I see it, Black 101 kicks her leg in, swiping the white skaters leg, downing her. I personally think it's too wide a stance of Black to be called normal skating motion. So, lowblock penalty for me.

From the opr pov, it was really unclear. I would probably not even have been able to say if 101 was the initator. From the IPR pov, the low block is pretty clear. Being able to call it live is something else though.

I spot a MPB :-)

Dire Wolff White 357 and I agree.

It's long enough for her to lose momentum and position relative to at least one opponent (white 3). I'd call it.

+Eric R la jammeuse ne fait pas parti du pack. Elle n'a donc pas à le reformer. Elle marque les points en depassant toujours de la meme maniere. Mais elle n'a pas le droit de bloquer ou assister. Je te recommande pour ca de voir la section 2, 3 et 7 qui parlent de ces points. Si tu n'as pas d'officials dans ta ligue qui peuvent repondre à ce genre de question, je te recommande le groupe regle roller derby (facebook.com/groups/434604046603265/) pense à lire le descriptif pour voir comment on peut s'y inscrire

Bonjour, vous n'avez pas compris ma question, pendant le no pack, les jammeuses sont toujours entrain de patiner car elle ne sont pas dans le pack, quand elles arrivent dans la zone d'engagement doivent elles ralentir et attendre que le pack soit reformé ou, elles continues leur jam et marques quand même ou, si elles pénètrent le pack elles sont en faute? ma question est elle totalement infondée?

​@@ricousky1936 9 ans plus tard : la jammeuse continue de jammer , elle attend rien , elle fonce elle ralentit pas elle n'es pas influencer par la formation du pack ( je suis jammeuse ) les no pack c'est que les bloqueuse et pivot qui sont impacter. Les pack sont limité a certaine distance par rapport aux bloqueuse qui les forme, si elle sont répartie en longueur le ''pack'' peu etre plus ou moin long ce qui permet ou non de bloquer la jammeuse , et qu elle ne bloque pas al infini no stop.

​@@Girlxrockmerci 😅

florian garel merci, ces vidéos sont faites pour ça donc ça fait plaisir de savoir que ça sert

Stéphane Malon Merci Effectivement on m'a deja fait la reflexion, malheureusement la video etait deja chargé apres de nombreux soucis. mais promis je ferais gaffe la prochaine fois

CFAI apprenti c'est prévu. Comment faire un call pour la prochaine et où placer son regard après avoir passer en revu les basics

Parfait. C'est galère l'incrustation en haut quand on est sur Smartphone, après on perd le fil. Mais merci pour le travail fourni.

je peux dire Jammer comme jammeuse, blocker comme blockeuse. Comme le derby, je parle au féminin comme au masculin

Hey Nico, dans la vidéo mise en lien en fin de cette vidéo (l'Equipment check présenté par Dr No No), elle explique justement quoi vérifier sur le protège dents :)

te prends pas la tête, l'equipment check est à la discrétion des équipes désormais

C'est toujours bien de savoir quoi vérifier quand une équipe demande quand même un equipment check aux referees, et de pouvoir s'assurer de la sécurité des joueurs/ses pendant le match.