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Vinyl Junky
Добавлен 19 авг 2019
Vinyl Junky's review of the Degritter ultrasonic record cleaning machine
Vinyl Junky's review of the Degritter ultrasonic RCM. I've tried to do a before/after test using Elliot Smith's "Either/Or". Apologies for the sound quality and amateur production, I did this on my phone. Feel free to ask any questions in the comment section below.
This review is my personal view and does not reflect the views of Degritter, nor is it endorsed by Degritter. All equipment used in the review was purchased by me and not sponsored by Degritter, nor did I receive any paid promotion for this review.
This review is my personal view and does not reflect the views of Degritter, nor is it endorsed by Degritter. All equipment used in the review was purchased by me and not sponsored by Degritter, nor did I receive any paid promotion for this review.
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tja nach ein paar Reinigungen ist Schmutz im Wasser und das ist gelinde gesagt .. Blöd ..
Nice video. Do you use a surfactant now? Or just distilled water still?
Today this costs £2450. Let's have a blind comparison between this and a £140 ultrasonic cleaner. I don't think you will hear any difference and with the money saved you could buy a fabulous turntable.
I would not play a record in that condition on my turntable
Seems to do the job well enough, just a bit much for the average consumer on the price tag I’d assume. If I owned a shop or something I could justify the price, but just for my own personal use it’s a bit steep no?
It's very expensive compared to others that I've been looking at, and multi record cleaning versions do seem to have the advantage of saving a lot of time.
I'm not going to say the degritter is the best but one of the issues with the ultrasonic cleaners that are just adapted to records like you can find for a couple hundred on Amazon is that they emit extremely high frequencies. People have noticed hearing loss attributed to them. And if you read the instructions they will state that you should stay X feet way or in a different room when it is in use. Which is why in commercial setting ultrasonic cleaners are in rooms by themselves and people wear ear protection when in the vicinity. Or when you go to a jewelry store to get something cleaned the ultrasonic cleaner they have will be in a soundproofed/dampened box. Personally I've never seen any definitive proof that a ultrasonic is better then a good vac cleaner. edit: also ultra sonic cleaning has been studied on glass and has shown to wear down glass. So I'm pretty sure it isn't doing a soft vinyl record any favors in the long term.
You are cleaning the brush above the record? Whats wrong with these online sellers
Turntable is running too fast.
I have got mine about three months now , wonderful cleaning machine !
The Degritter manual FAQ states this about shellac and lacquer-acetate records: “We have not conclusively tested cleaning shellac or lacquer-acetate records with Degritter. If you do clean one, then do so on your own responsibility”. Which seems odd… it’s really built for 12” LPs, but they have inserts that allow cleaning of 7” and 10” records. Does anyone know if its safe with such records?
Compare Keith Monks or Loricraft thread cleaning machine, this one ultrasonic machine is better or not? Thanks!
Where did you get it ? Half price of the Lori craft ?
Great review. I am in the market for a RCM and the Degritter is on my list.
Way to expensive, there will come out a new one from china, they say in 2021 and it should be below 500,--. This is a way to expensive product. Check out Kickstarter with the new one, that will be the time I go ultrasonic.
Yup summer of 2021 has a version coming out with drying functions
Ultrasonic might be the way to REALLY clean records. I just bought a $300USD version of this unit. I'll see what system serves my needs for record cleaning. Not buying anything approaching $1,000USD ..........NOPE!!!
question: how does the record spin? also, obviously there is an air intake for the drying cycle, is there a filter (to clean)?
Yes there is a filter - but its replaceable as opposed to washable. Keep safe!
That thing cost more than your Clearaudio! lol
Some of this utuber for real they are exaggerating just to prove to other people that they have money.Me I don’t buy those stuff for what,I just wash my vinyls with water that’s it.I want my wallet to be thicker in case of rainy day.Some people they try to show off but they didn’t even pay cash the full amount probably credit card and pay each month more than minimum.Lots of utuber out there are FOS! Don’t believe them guys.
Get ur money back way too expensive u got ripped off.Unbelievable!
Bread toaster lol 😝
With ultrasonic cleaners it's necessary to change the water at regular cycles. Every 50 records or so. You definitely don't want dirty water pounding your records through ultrasonic frequencies.
All the "particles" left on the surface after the first cleaning and drying, at 12:45, are they waterdrops? But there are still several "particles" left on the surface even after the second drying (14:00 on). Apropos water drops carried for full turns. Without label protection, this machine must cause fluid to occasionally stain the labels, particularly if a wetting agent is used (which it should for best cleaning). Just take a look here: ruclips.net/video/p9zWgWovJEs/видео.html. This can spell disaster for more expensive vintage records.
RCMs costing more than the turntable.....
Good review, but spend the money you spent on record cleaning machines on a good turntable, and the money you spent on the turntable on record cleaning, and you'll get a better sound.
You´re right, here in argentina I bought a record cleaning machine for 400 dolars, brand new, from an ultrasonic machine factory, with a 5 LPs special attachment to spin the discs while cleaning. No need to pay 2700 dolars, it´s a steal.
What kind of speakers do you have
How much does all this cost t make in China 100 pounds. Money grubbing turds charge 25 times that
Pay € 2,700 and then put the vinyl in a paper inner sleeve, what the interest ?
They need to be thrown out and be replaced with anti static sleeves
A much nicer system than that one that cost $4k.
My Keith Monks Discovery One Redux is a fantastic machine, I preferred it over the LORICRAFT and I have found no difference with an ultrasonic system after cleaning. long term the ultrasonic may damage the tracks, just not seeing enough data to support them.
People say the cheap ones ain't far off. Who wudnt want a Keith classic last 50 yrs. How long before this over complex digital shit fucks up
Or they make it subscription based cleaning...
How about cavitation? In what magnitude is this present for this machine?
DAMN-record cleaning machines have...”stepped-up” their game!
I guess you must be talking about the temperatures of your cleaning water in Celcius rather than Farenheit, because water at anything below 32°F is frozen ice at atmospheric, (i.e. listening room), pressure! Also, you can't do any kind of real "sound quality" comparisons through a RUclips video because the sound is limited by the compression of RUclips itself, and definitely by the speakers that viewers who watch this are listening to it on, (which usually would be cheap computer speakers or even their cellphone speaker!), so, like in my case, I couldn't tell *any* difference between the "before" and "after" cleaning listening tests, because my cellphone speaker doesn't have high enough of resolution to actually *hear* any difference on *my* end, even though I know enough about vinyl to know that it definitely made a *large* improvement in the quality and cleanliness of the sound reproduced in the actual listening room the record is being played in! Also, why the hell would you EVER need the ability to do a "firmware/software update" on such a relatively simple, mostly mechanical device??!... It seems like if it was a truly well designed, engineered, and properly manufactured piece of equipment, then a machine like this should *always* do it's job perfectly and as intended, (with proper maintenance and cleaning of course), because it's NOT like this device has any *really* complicated and sophisticated "processing software" in it or anything like that! (Like your computer or surround sound processor/receiver or your "smart TV" does) That just seems like a totally un-necessary and useless "feature" of this device, just put there to increase the cost/price of the device for no real, useful reason! Lol!
hahaha, "software update"; you are right, it´s a joke. I have an ultrasonic cleaner and believe me it makes a difference, really big on old and used records, but it´s a 400 USD brand new machine! This one is full of snake oil!
Welcome to the rest of the entire world outside of the US who use °C.
30 minutes to *prepare* to listen to the (usually about 3 minute long) song!... Yeah, I guess this would be a great idea if you were preparing to record your vinyl LP to a CD or upload the music from it to your computer, etc., just so you could get the absolute best sound quality off of the LP, but this is totally and ridiculously obsessive for just casual vinyl listening or for background music enjoyment, etc.!... You have to ask yourself what your ultimate "bottom-line" priorities are; time-wise, (time invested), music quality, money invested, etc... How much of a "Vinyl Junkie" are you? Lol!
You're right. Although I think this is the type of device best bought between a group of music-lovers (say half a dozen) and used between them on loan for a couple of months at a time. Then it makes more sense.
Yeah, you may be a bit over the top in your record cleaning.
Interesting. Good video. Very sad that it's still that much work and noise to clean a record in 2020.
That's because no one is taking a serious effort to make any developments in vinyl playback, due to all the conservatives. I mean, they could've made vinyl of a modern non-static polymer since the late 90s... or ditch all the belt drive designs for modern direct drive turntables... same goes for MC vs MM cartridges, since modern permanent magnets are significantly better/stronger nowadays.
@@QoraxAudio Interesting points. There is supposedly a new vinyl format called HD Vinyl. But I haven't seen it anywhere IRL. I also prefer direct drive, but some of the very expensive hi-fi turntables are still belt drive. I don't have a strong preference on moving magnet vs coil yet. Will read up on that.
@@mcpeko HD vinyl is just the perfection of a production process, but not the perfection of the product itself. It's basically the successor of DMM, using a laser to etch the stamper instead of carving out a copper master disc. In the end it's still the same product of the same material, but made with higher precision. However, the disadvantage of HD vinyl in its present form, is that it can't keep analogue recordings analogue; a high resolution digital audio file as a source is a necessity, in contrast to DMM where the lathe can be fed an analogue signal that has been processed for DMM in a fully analogue way. About MC vs. MM/MI cartridges: the main concern is the moving mass, where the moving coil is lighter than the moving magnet or moving iron; at least, that's how it used to be, when magnets where weak and needed to be fairly big to do the job properly. Nowadays (read: early 90s) moving magnets have become so strong, that they can even produce signals up to 10 or 12mV. The additional moving mass on old moving magnet cartridges meant that inertia (takes time to bring mass into motion) was an issue, this dampens the high frequency response. Nowadays most MM cartridges use better magnets, but they stopped developing further in the 90s when they came with neodymium as a replacement of the alnico magnets that were introduced back in the 30s. But there haven't been any true development ever since, only minor changes to make things a bit more perfectly working.
@@QoraxAudio Fantastic insight and great explanation. Big thanks. Appreciated.
@@mcpeko You're welcome.
Nice video.. Although I will take my Spin Clean.. . Quicker, cheaper and quieter. Been watching these videos on all these overpriced cleaning machines on RUclips... Overpriced hype that takes you forever to clean and plenty of fluids to reorder on a regular basis.... No thanks 🤑🤑🤑
Anybody who likes Elliott Smith gets a thumbs up from me oh yeah the record washer is cool too
you should record the vinyl befor and after and then show a screenshot from the recording software that you have less pops or static noise. If you just record the sound with your phone its totally useless.
That is very good idea. :) "Totally useless" is perhaps a bit harsh though. I still found the video interesting.
Love your set-up! Thanks so much for this review.
Crazy price. A few hunderd should be enough. To many people must here make profit.
Please put the sound back in the middle section.
The SQ is better before the cleaning IMHO
dont know if you are serious but isnt that impossible to tell? your listening through youtube on a source that is recorded with a shitty mobile microphone? And why would it sound worse after all the smudge and dust is cleaned off? :S
@@koettfaers He did not stand in the same location of the speakers as the pre clean listening sample. In the pre clean sample he was further back from the turntable where you could see the speakers and for the after clean sample he was much closer to the TT with the speakers to the side of the camera or more behind the camera.
@@Methodical2 read the original comment i responded to. My point was A its illogical to think a record sounds better before its cleaned properly B its useless to use a mobile recorded YT video as source of material to judge the sound by
I agree with you, Nicola. The album pre cleaning sounded like a warm analogue vinyl record. The album post cleaning sounded like a CD with the life sucked out of it. It would be very beneficial to do this same test again with professional recording equipment directly hooked up to the outputs of the record player.
After having an ultrasonic cleaner for about 2 months now, I have been using my spin clean first for really dirty LPs and then follow up with the ultrasonic.
Dedication. 👊
@@mcpeko Me, too. I do 2-3 spins in the spin clean to remove the heavy loose surface stuff, so the US cleaner can just focus on the deep cleaning. No need to dirty up the good stuff too fast in the US cleaner. I also have the Vinyl Vac and an old TT for cleaning if needed.
Great review, thanks for taking the time to do it. I currently use a Project VCS vacuum machine, similar to the VPI. How would you compare the results of the Degritter to the VPI? I'm wondering whether it's worthwhile to upgrade. I'm also wondering how the Degritter compares to the Kirmuss machine. The Kirmuss is a lot cheaper but by all accounts is a LOT more work.
i tried a kirmuss machine and could see no improvement at all.the only thing i did notice was that it created dead spots in the record
"Hey this looks like a great device!", I thought. And then I looked up the price - HOLY CRAP - Who pays 2,700 euro for a sophisticated dish washer!?
MIne cost more and probably doesn't do any better of a job. KLAudio, check it out. Except mine will cool the water if it is getting to hot with an external cooler fan.
The people that buy these also have no issues paying 1,000’s on just a table. When your a true fan and collector. Money isn’t a issue
@@beauxwalwer4894 they are also millionaires
@@BruceTheSillyGoose not at all. They are just people who make sacrifices, save, make lifestyle choices etc to afford something they believe will enhance their lives.
@@idiotdrummer60 like burning the candle at both ends to get through graduate school, those are the only ones who can afford this.
I love my Degritter after a few issues Taniel Põld and his team were very professional and issues were soon resolved. I clean 10” and 7” records also with the adapter and it’s remarkable. Cleans shellac really well and safely too. It’s an all round great machine for me. Thanks for your great video
What kind of cleaning fluid do you use with cleaning your shellac records?
I really would like to see a before/after video on a much dirtier record.
JacksonPolyp most of my collection has been cleaned at least once before. Will post a video if I come across a dirtier one.
@@advanirahul Great. :)
This is a helpful video on many fronts. I have a vacuum arm cleaning machine very similar to yours and am thinking of also acquiring an ultrasonic machine as well/instead of. You haven't commented on (1) Whether this is better than your Loricraft vacuum machine or (2) Is there any benefit in using both of the machines to clean a record and if so, in what order.
skidco1 “Better” is a relative term. In terms of end result (sonically as well as visually), I feel there is little difference between the two. Both have their pros and cons - the the arm on the Loricraft touches the surface of the record, so there’s chances of scratches, and you also have to use a brush to get the fluid into the grooves (Degritter is an ultrasonic cleaner, so no such problem). However, the Degritter has a limited life on the ultrasonic amplifiers (2000 cycles), while the Loricraft will probably be working 50 years from now (it’s basically just a vacuum pump and motor). The Degritter is much more compact (the Loricraft is at least 2.5x the size). I think the decision to switch would come down to (1) cost and (2) ease of use. The Degritter is around 50% the price of the Loricraft where I live (Singapore). You can also clean and dry both sides of a record in as little as 6 minutes in the Degritter, without monitoring it. The Loricraft would take twice as long, and you need to be there to flip the record and scrub etc. I don’t see any benefit to using both the machines to clean a record. You could, theoretically, but I would think that any benefit would be negligible, and could be done easily by just getting an additional tank for the Degritter for a separate rinse cycle if needed. I’m keeping the Loricraft as a backup mainly, since I’ve already invested in it.
@@advanirahul Thanks for your full reply. What happens when the ultrasonic amplifiers have expired after 2000 cycles? Are they DIY replaceable or is it necessary to buy a whole new machine again? For larger vinyl collections such as mine (5,000 LP's) this is an issue.
skidco1 Degritter has indicated an easy DIY process to replace them, or the option to send the unit back to them to make the replacements. Definitely a concern as I have around 5000 LPs as well, which is why I’m also holding on to the Loricraft as a back up. However, even at 2000 cycles this works out to around 1 dollar per LP, which I think is fairly reasonable.
@@advanirahul Thank you for that. I'm looking to buy an ultrasonic cleaner and your video plus answering my questions has been very helpful in steering me towards this machine. It's always a bit disconcerting being an "early adopter" of a new, unproven product and what you have said helps allay any fears that may arise.
I've put over 80 records through my Degritter and love not only the results but the ease of use and the way it looks. The firmware upgrade was very beneficial - and easy to do. I had a basic ultrasonic tank with a motor unit before which was very, very noisy and didn't dry the records, so the Degritter was a massive improvement. Mind you, the cat runs away whenever I go near it - the higher u/s frequency while quieter for humans must be very annoying for animals! I was going to do a video about this for my channel, but you've beaten me to it ;o)
Bob Wood I couldn’t agree more! I don’t have a cat so never noticed that 😂
poor cat :(