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Well we can talk about each one of your issues one at a time if you'd like. but how can you say the Bible is the word of God when it has been changed thousands of times? Which version of the Bible? Which translation? Or are you reading the original Hebrew? Because we don't even have the original Hebrew! and that's just the old testament, what language does the New testament originally recorded in, Aramaic? The best we have is Greek. And different profits showed in different languages and different apostles wrote in different languages and we don't have any original texts from the Bible. Not one! So how can you say the Bible is the word of God when it's a record written down by men from their individual and specific point of view. Yes it's inspired, but people have had their fingers in the Bible since at least before Isaiah. The deuteronomist went through and changed things specifically at the time of Josiah. And the translations of the Bible are so varied, then none of them are reliable as perfect or authentic. So which one do you pick? So while you can say things about the Book of Mormon, to assume that the Bible is perfect is a complete and utter fallacy. and if the Bible were perfect, and if everybody's interpretations of the Bible were perfect, you wouldn't have thousands of different Christian churches. which one of those churches is correct. And you can't say all of them because they all contradict each other in their different teachings and beliefs. So what do you do with those truths?

@@dankuchar6821 what about the failed prophecies?

"2 Nephi 29. 1 But behold, there shall be many-at that day when I shall proceed to do a marvelous work among them, that I may remember my covenants which I have made unto the children of men, that I may set my hand again the second time to recover my people, which are of the house of Israel; 2 And also, that I may remember the promises which I have made unto thee, Nephi, and also unto thy father, that I would remember your seed; and that the words of your seed should proceed forth out of my mouth unto your seed; and my words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth, for a standard unto my people, which are of the house of Israel; 3 And because my words shall hiss forth-many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible. 4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles? 5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people. 6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? 7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth? 8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also. 9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever. 10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written. 11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written. 12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it. 13 And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews. 14 And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in one. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever." May the Lord judge between you and me :)

2Nephi Chapter 29 Many Gentiles will reject the Book of Mormon-They will say, We need no more Bible-The Lord speaks to many nations-He will judge the world out of the books which will be written. About 559-545 B.C.

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No, he never said that.

He specifically did not say that

@@aaronthompson5633 a reasonable hope. w/e

I’m very sorry to hear that the volume button on your device is broken. Or maybe you don’t have any fingers and you’re not capable of turning it down the volume yourself.

its called a microphone. It amplifies sounds. Man's actually using his inside voice. ;)

He is not really shouting, whoever was controlling the mic has the volume up way too high. It's as simple as that, but the volume does detract from the presentation.

Frizz Bee to make sure it all goes in 😆 all jokes aside maybe he has a hearing problem.

Great teaching

You can turn down the volume.

He was a lecturer used to filling a big room with no microphone.

You are a beautiful child of God!

What you believe is what you will be... change your mind, be positive, have good self talk, trust in Christ. It’s your choice.

Alfred Harding you are being silly you are a special choice spirit you chose Jesus’s plan in the pre existence that’s why you are here and the Lord loves you more then you could ever believe he gave his life for you because you are worth it! And if you have had a bad time here the next life will not suck believe me you will be happy 😊

Who you are and what you become is up to you. It's not easy for anyone. but whatever effort you put into being a good person, you will get that effort back in the next life a billion fold.

I'm surprised at how much more you know about our theology than we do. We do not know, for example, that Elohim (the plural form of the Hebrew word for God - El, by the way, which is problematic when you are trying to promote a "God beside whom there is no other". But let's leave that for another day), is not the creator of the universe. It doesn't say that anywhere in our scriptures. It is you that is taking a Mormon theological idea and supposing what it means for cosmology, to come to that conclusion.

It is not uncommon for a curious and motivated outsider (who is not an anti-Mormon apologist for any alternative faith, by the way) to discover things about a religion that most of its adherents do not know. Most practitioners of any faith are not theologians. In this case, it is a prominent Mormon writer who made Joseph Smith's very clear teachings about the nature of the universe clear to me. The comparison between Elohim and Buddha, however, is mine. Perhaps because Elohim is the organizer of this particular universe out of pre-existing matter and intelligences, as all Gods are, he may thus loosely be spoken of as the "creator," but the usual notion of creation, creation out of nothing, seems to have no ground in LDS cosmology and is the reason that neither Heavenly Father or the Gods of other worlds are Ultimate. Speaking of scriptures, it is a great puzzle to me why Smith's amazing King Follett discourse has not so far been "canonized." It is a most extraordinary tour de force of religious imagination, especially considering Smith's non-elite background. And it makes clear that my (and Givens') reading of Mormon cosmology matches the prophet's. And speaking of scriptures a second time, one of the rather Catholic things about Mormonism is its rejection of the narrow Protestant sola scripture principle. Just because a teaching is not found on the printed page does not mean it is not part of revelation, I believe.

I esteem the King Follett Discourse highly as it appears you do. Why is it not canonized? Perhaps because it was not a revelation, but was a discourse of principles he already knew, and though he only lived a short time after it was given, it was still time enough to canonize if he wanted to. We have 4 written accounts of the discourse from 4 different scribes who were accustomed to taking notes of conferences. All 4 are worded differently. So it becomes difficult to canonize a work that the prophet did not review and correct/approve when all 4 versions are not the same. As for his, yours, Bro. Given's, or my views of cosmology, none of them are either accepted or rejected formally by this church. The Church doesn't need to. We are free to wonder and learn as we choose. If that knowledge were necessary to obtain salvation, it would certainly be addressed formally. Since it is not necessary, it, like many other principles, is left for us to find out on our own. If we stay guided by the Spirit, the church is confident that we are on safe ground. Many members (and non-members I suppose), do have some cosmological answers, (I doubt anyone has all of them), but we choose not to reveal what we learn from the spirit because of its being personally sacred and unnecessary for other's growth. Lastly, I agree with you about creation ex nihilo, and sola Scriptura. This, however, does not force God the Father to be less than the ultimate (what ever that is). It is simply one's perspective that is limiting.

How do you get this editor to recognize paragraphs?

Paragraphs...hmmm. Well, on my Mac, I hold down SHIFT with my left hand and press RETURN with my right hand.

Section 130:20-21 says nothing about earning anything. Obedience and earning are not the same thing. It is interesting that you left out the first sentence in that 3rd article of faith. You should have included it, but since it mentions the atonement, I suspect it didn't serve your purposes. I'll help you out: We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. Salvation comes through and only through the Atonement of Christ. That is a Mormon way of saying through Grace. Yes obedience is expected. When Christ spoke to the woman taken in adultery he said "Nor do I condemn thee. Go, and sin no more." Christ does expect obedience but that isn't a bad thing. He knows it is the best path we can choose. And obedience is a choice. A choice to follow His example. Perhaps mine is a typical Mormon perspective on life. I do know that the Mormons I worship with feel this way: I stand all amazed at the love Jesus offers me. Confused at the Grace that so fully He proffers me. That he would extend his great love unto such as I. That for me a sinner, He suffered, He bled and died. Oh it is wonderful that He should care for me enough to die for me. Oh it is wonderful, wonderful to me.

You forgot the "L" in front of "earn".

unless i'm mistaken, he was trying to make the point that they aren't physical "places" WITHIN the universe. But, Heaven and Hell, are metaphysical realities, albeit with a couple notable exceptions namely Jesus and Mary in their physical bodies.

Thank you for sharing an interesting perspective.