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Zeichner knows full well that Agriculture is in reality the fastest way to achieve the target to ‘Get close to’ Net zero. (It is in reality is impossible!) But a lot of what he says here makes sense. Which compared to most of his Labour colleagues, who make very little sense at all. That goes for the NFU too!

The technology of precision fermentation to procedure the proteins planed and will produce meat as planned. Just need funding and lab to work on and Initiate the project work.

I find it really interesting that there was no pushback on the idea that tree-planting and livestock are incompatible, when there is so much interesting work being done on agroforestry systems and silvopasture and silvoarable. We need to stop thinking in terms of all units of land being used for "one thing" only

We need to start from the stark realities dictated by physics though. ‘Optimism’ must not result in false solutions that kick the can down the road. 1) Peatland restoration needs to be on a huge scale; And it is unclear if the very changes in climate will turn even intact peatlands into sources. 2) Planting now on non mineral soils would often result in carbon loss or a very small carbon gain *by 2050*, due to soil C loss and time lags in tree growth. 3) Soil saturates with carbon and it can release it again. So its role is there but also limited. 4) Grazing animals emit a substantial amount and their reduction ( admittedly difficult) from a scientific point of view would result in a quick reduction in emissions. 5) it is not just about net zero but cumulative emissions, to avoid approaching/passing tipping points. There is a huge difference in total emissions in Net Zero reached in e.g. 2030, 2040, 2050, 2060 etc.. Early reductions are thus much more preferable. So, however you frame reductions, this must be the principal consideration, if climate change is an issue we care about. Every little helps but we need to be clear how much it can contribute. Policy must reason about these facts ( and more) to be evidence based.

Great lecture, thanks for sharing!

if meat and dairy get subsidised by gov should veg get carbon credits that go to customer .why would i pay my taxes to government so they can subsidise meat and dairy polluters? polluters do not pay taxpayers pay for pollution. landlords should be ripe for labour to exploit the same way we have been

Let's turn Cornwall into temperate rainforest! It is needed, it is entirely possible and moors are biodiversity deserts anyway.

I the environmental arguments for change in land use and agri intensive farms are seen as a carrot to incentivise change. there also needs to be a stick approach by government by limiting or abolishing subsidies to intensive meat and dairy

Methinks land use will start to open controversial questions on land ownership and it's reform. I recommend reading ' Who owns England '

I Cant really be bothered to comment on the stupidity of these people!

INDIA 's COOPERATIVES HARVEST DAIRY METHANE (Scholten 2023 Dairy Farming in the 21st Century: p148) 'India’s White Revolution continues with the National Dairy Development Board’s ( Scholten 2010c; RGS-IBG RGRG Newsletter, Sum 2019) Dairy Plan-Phase 1, in which women are managers of both renewable energy and nutrients in villages. I In April 2019 research for this book, we visited Mujkuva Village, about 20km from AMUL co-op & NDDB headquarters in Anand, Gujarat, north of Mumbai, where ten houses, linked to the bovine biogas system, enjoy smokeless cooking fires and electric light for children’s study and family evenings. Th e 1,000-village pilot is blooming to 5,000 across India. 'An NDDB technician emphasized that, just as in Operation Flood, women manage cash derived from the sales of new biogas slurry and compost products to crop farmers. Old-tech methane extractors used heavy concrete modules. New PVC ‘pillows’ are easier to bury, use and repair. Women also control Kobas Dam (aka dung money) with (a) liquid-and (b) solid micronutrients, and (c) phosphate-rich organic manure (PROM) for replenishing organic and non-organic soils that have been strained by up to three annual maize or fodder crops. Solar pumping uses tech licensed from a private firm, via solar panels for the irrigation of crops and pastures for cattle fodder.'

@sue Pritchard . Thanks for being brave. Thanks for recognising that we need to speak the truth about where we’re at at that there is a bright way forward. Thanks for highlighting the role of imagination in this space and how we can start to help others to envision the abundance of a clean green food ‘machine’🌼

thanks for putting this up