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I guess I count as a boomer in this case.... Fuck Oblivion was goooooooood though! lmao.

I'm just not that hard to please. I'm sorry a lot of players are, but it's just how I am. I didn't feel i "trudged through boring to get to good" with Cyberpunk. I played a lot of Fallout 76 and have put 3 plus days altogether so far into Starfield.

Waiting a year for every 'big' release has made gaming pretty fun for me this past ten years.

Bethesda is the worst, but you'll NEVER convince me that I should respect Hello. Their CEO blatantly lied about the game, and many of us never went back to it after the initial dumpster fire. They took my money under false pretences and wasted my time. Murray will never repay that or regain my trust. Just like Lying Howard will not after Fallout 76. Fool me once...

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Interesting when you compare red dead 2 and the witcher 3. I didn't wind the opening sequence of red dead 2 uninteresting in the slightest. I was very confused with some of the dialogue, with all the mentioning of people and events I had no idea about, but overall I found the dilemma the game puts you in pretty interesting. In that sense I didn't mind it. Plus, once you finish the game, you interpret the opening sequence wayyyyy differently on a second playthrough, which, for me, is added interest. My point is I think is that what is "interesting" is subjective. I can imagine for those final fantasy players there must've been some kind of hook that kept them playing, that you didn't see, or find that appealing. If you stopped playing it after a certain point, and they didn't, what's the cause of that difference?

this vids like a breath of fresh air. As much as there were things i didn't like about fallout 4 i still dumbed so many hours into it, it's just a good game you know. Enough to keep you hooked. That was like, my foray. then, I tried skyrim. I actually tried skyrim before fallout 4, but my computer was so shit i just didn't. Anyways. Skyrim was awesome, but then i just kept on modding the ever loving shit out of it and i never got what i wanted. I hated the combat. Like, it was sorta love hate thing. I was literally so hell bent on it I tried to learn modding it myself. Then i realized that the modding tools were just like the games. I don't remember if they were bugged, but i do remember being like "holy fuck, there are mods for the modding tools." Because, there are mods for the modding tools. Like I literally could not. Add to that it was in bethesda's own coding language I was like "fuck that!" uninstalled skyrim. I never looked back. Not sayin skyrim is bad but, like, the combat is just BLAH man the fuck

I'm a boomer and im not even a boomer

I started with Skyrim and as someone currently replaying Skyrim I have to agree with you. I also respect those who enjoyed starfield. I like the starfield as well but definitely not as much as the previous Bethesda games and it really has to do with the lack good exploration. Still though I do check out mods for starfield every now and then and see if there’s a mod that will get me to reinstall the game. I really need some more mass effect and Star Wars mods.

A game has two hours to grab my attention and interest. If a game wants more than two hours, the dev can go to Valve and lean on GabeN to lengthen the refund window.

Will you talk about the controversy behind Fallout: Ashfall? Two writers for Fallout: Ashfall named Allout Monte and Krimson Graey discovered that the previous project lead was a transgender bisexual who wanted to inject pronouns and transgender level design into Fallout: New Vegas.

The whole "game gets good after X hours" thing is even worse when you're an adult with responsibilities (family, job etc) and that time to reach this point? Those are valuable minutes and hours that you will never get back. Sure you can play long games, but chance that you finish them? Is not great, even with massive dedication you hope that you won't get burnour before reaching final quarter of the game... when that happen even if you HAVE time you might just give up and play something else. Because despite all those preacher repeating "gaming is dying" (cause they only focus on AAA products that rarely care about fun) your backlog still grow.

Reminds me of some guy telling me I needed more than 100 hours in the RLcraft MC modpack for it to start “getting to the good part.” Like dude if the first 10 were a slog I’m just going to do something else thats actually fun.

It's a shame about Cyberpunk as it really is amazing now (probably the best game I played this year), but that launch was so horrible some people will never give it a chance (understandably). Final Fantasy 13, no... the systems were good, but the game was all bad, it got better after 20hrs but not GOOD.

Lies, I play between reloads.

Ehh I had a good time in cyberpunk on the series x and pc

"Fix-it-later" is becoming the industry standard. It's called "Early Access". Now sometimes early access works. Take Valheim. They came in with 5 really solid biomes and a great initial experience that hooked you quickly. So it's been fine waiting for the rest of the game. But not every dev will do that and fall back on the "just wait till 1.0" for poor work. If they ever pull the game out of Early Access.

Just play Tetris or old arcade games most of these takes are just bs against games with NARRATIVE/STORYTELLING aka you purposely play games (JRPG) that have a Storytelling focus.

damn bro REALLY loves oblivion and skyrim lmao

new we wait for inevitable "Why are games so short" or "The pacing in games are way to fast" Just to be clear, short games can be great, the old cod campaigns of 4 hours were amazing, but if I like something.............I want more of it. I'd rather play a game like vermintide for 500 hours where being able to get to the point of playing on the hardest difficulty (which can take like 20 - 50 hours) is like the tutorial and the real fun begins when you play on legend with a few buddies and always have a fun fallback, than play a 4 hour game and just boop ends in 1 day. ESPECIALLY if they cost the same.

people are already back to sucking off CDPR what a fuckng shame.

Aw dang I missed the stream! Maybe do a community post of the dates and times you plan to stream :) More of us can be here that way!

Hey man I heard you mention your non Bethesda videos not getting as much attention. I’m sure you’re aware of this but just in case I wanted to let you know it’s just the algorithm, your Bethesda videos get recommended more for some reason. I think you branching out to other games with the same video format is equally as valuable its just doesn’t get RUclipss Ai algorthimic brain as fired up.

Starfield slander is gonna be my favorite genre for the next 4 years.

ADHD. Nuff said.

3:59 You gotta be one hell of an impatient kid if you couldn't wait going thru the start of Red Dead Redemption 2. I think this video is the complaint of people with NO sense of immersion or imagination and are just like "Gimme! Gimme! Gimme now!" Now Starfiedl, Starfield is boring c r a p.

Even still I try to slog through a bad game for at least 5 hours before I can say the game is bad. But yes a game shouldn’t take 10 hours before it starts to get good! It doesn’t entirely need to grab your attention right away but it shouldn’t take forever before it starts to get good!

This is the most zoomer analysis I have seen. Most enjoyable things in life, especially in the world of gaming require trudging through difficulty or plain boredom to start of with. Playing Osu! is impossible for a new player because they have to learn the game and most give up early on. Rust is impossblie and unkind game to new players and most burn out after just a day of playing. Most skill or strategy base game down to chess are gonna require you to invest time early on that will be boring af if you dont have the normal level of dopamine which most people lack nowadays. With your mentality you are never gonna enjoy all these games. Poor ass zoomer attention span.

I’m afraid to try new games because I’ve already sunk thousands of hours into Skyrim, Oblivion and ESO.

This actually happened to me in skyrim..never played rpgs so i was confused and got stuck in jail first day i played and almost quit...forced myself to come back the next day and figure it out and it became probably my favorite game of all time..

Makes total sense. Bethesda “poked the bear” and the bear poked back. They can learn from this. Let’s hope that they do.

What's even worse are games that start out good and then fizzle out a few hours in, and sadly that's even more common.

1:12 Literally me 🥲

Great video! I use to force myself through games (and shamefully trophies/achievements) but I am 38 now. My time is the most valuable currency. A game has to be complete on day one for me to give is a chance. I’ve been burned too many times. I have a back log of games that are now completed because I passed them up. No mans sky was one of them. I waited. The payoff feels so worth it but that should never be the case. Games need to be completed. I’m glad that more and more gamers are starting to see this.

In the case of games like Destiny I think if something about the feeling of the gunplay and base combat loop doesn't grab you right away, then there's a good chance you're probably still not going to like it all that much 100, 200, 300+ hours later either. I also feel like a lot of the "It gets good later!" people have attached themselves to some aspect of the game they're talking about that isn't really the game's doing. MMOs are a good example of this where people will often bring up about how great the community or such is as if it is in any way proof of the actual game itself being good.

5l4:31 every time ive played RdR2 at my friends i had a great time. Every time i started the game on my own i got bored out of my mind, ive wanted to play it for years but just cant get past the intro. Mods feel like cheating to me, and thus i will probably never play the game.

"unpaid internship" \Its worse than that, you are a buyer, a consumer who paid full price or worse 100 bucks for early access to be a beta tester of an unfinished boring repettive game. PHOKIN PRONOUNS, MODERN DAY CALIFORNIAN SHT, BECAUSE THATS ALL WE PHOKIN NOW...To quote the starfield pronouns guy. He played it for 8 hours and went insane. As for cyberpunk, its funny because you can see how the game initially was gonna be like san andreas, and red dead redemption, you were suppose to do alot of jobs with jackie to start caring about him so when he died it would have more impact, instead they turned those jobs into a montage and the game was shorter than witcher 3. The reason oblivion start is so over the top was because the last 2 games morrowind and daggerfall were so boring, you had to spent 30-50 hours before you get it, morrowind is best when you have played it many times and you know what you are doing and which quests to do that are made for your class and where these quest are, meanwhile a new player has no idea what to do or where to go. Honestly fallout 4 failed hard at grabing you by forgetting the main quest and doing farming stuff. New vegas has perfected the pacing in their main quest, it never gets boring.

I get where you're coming from, but part of the issue with this is that when you spend time in a world, you CAN often become more immersed and appreciate what's there when you spend more time. Another part of all this, is that there is always a learning period where you're trying to figure out how to play and what's expected of you. Sometimes learning is annoying, though sometimes these intro areas can be super well done and engaging. It can take time learn who the characters are, how interesting they are or how intricate and rewarding unravelling the story can be. You don't often get all of the gameplay enjoyment immediately jumping into a game. Ultimately, patience can pay off immensely in the end, or, you may end up frustrated even after pushing through. That's just the type of 1st world problem we're presented with when trying a new game.

I completely agree with this as a concept; of not having to get to the good part. However, I disagree with cyberpunk. I found it to be a pretty good intro hook. I did nomad first playthrough, it immediately gave you the feeling of how hostile the world is, the danger your character is involved in. The sheriff being a dick to you, then bribing the border guard; and almost immediately getting into a shootout, then that little scene plays showing your past 6 months in NC, it was entertaining enough. Then the next mission you can skip the combat tutorial, and the scav rescue mission begins, and the hardest combat track ever drops, immediately making you want to drop stealth and go guns blazing, then after another car shootout, and the car ride cutscene the game world is open, there always felt like a fair balance between story and action, and that took what, an hour? Give or take depending how slow you are. After that point, I find the world pretty open and fun, plenty of good parts as soon as you get freedom, aside from story set pieces. Contrast this to my favourite elder scrolls game, oblivion. Even as a kid, I fuckin HATED the tutorial dungeon, it went on for so, so long. It may be the worst out of the 3 3D TES games. But people still love that game, as do I Anyway, great video as always bro, glad you liked stellaris lol, it’s the only Microsoft spreadsheet game I enjoy, if you’re looking for a cool new type of game (if you haven’t played it yet) check out kenshi!

people told me "skyrim gets good"... and then i was done with the game and sidemissions and get super disapointed that i now get robbed by my own clansmembers.. CP2077 streetkid intro is good. the other 2 are too slow IMO. after that it was even at launch way better than any modern game from ubisoft, bethesda, EA etc... yes performance was bad. but it still was better than starfield tbh, considering the insane difference in size... bethesda could never create night city that runs stable at all above 30 FPS starfield could become good even after 10h of mainstory... i couldnt sit through the first 2h lol "pirate questline"? more like undercover cop acting like a pirate... then after each mission go through 10 loading screens, just so you can continue... at the end it always depends on the game. i sat through +1000h till i was able to somewhat enjoy "escape from tarkov". the reward? becoming better at the game, learn about the lore and make friends. im an adult. if i want ice cream and cookies for dinner, i dont have to eat veggies i dislike, bevor i eat the things i want. i just buy ice cream and cookies... and if the cookie brand now sells veggies in their pack, that only unlocks the cookies after i ate the veggies... well i just get a different cookie brand then right? the time is over where there wasnt enough options to not have to sit through hours of mid to bad or terrible gameplay and story... AAA started to make those games we never played on old consoles and wonder why we wont buy them for full price. if writer cant write good stories, dont include them... fire them and get a better one cuz i aint buying their mid shiid.... cuz "good" is often "aight" and not "damn thats good"

i like you dog. But perhaps progressive storylines and themes just aren't your cup of tea. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just a matter of preference really.

yaa. a game is suppose to be fun to play from the beginning to end. too many designers spend too much making games into chores to artificially pad out the time. sandboxes atleast have the excuse that it's all about gathering resources to build up to absurd sillyness and they dont make the grind tedius and chorelike.

On the flip side you get very good experience at start but rest is padding, instead of a full experience many have come to expect.

I DIDNT ENJOY SKYRIM. Feels good to say it 😂

Did my man seriously use Fallout 4 as an example of a good start, with that slogfest of an intro that nobody likes playing for a second time, then said "finding Shaun" - something players famously don't give a rat's ass about (why would you? You were told that you have a son... which you spend about 30 seconds with in total and thus have neither time nor reason to actually care about him being kidnapped) - is a hook? Lol. Lmao, even. That one bad point was almost enough to undermine the entire video.