Conspicuously absent from the scene with all the 'Gulls is the explanation that the birds and other sea life are there & attracted to the boat because of the huge amount of by-catch & "discards" that are going over the sides as well as being thrown over-board. Long line hauling for Hake in the North Sea can be extremely in-efficient with upwards of 60% of all catches being by-catch or discards.
Oh a little knowledge is a dangerous thing mate, well it is in your case. The mollies (gulls) are there for the offal that was thrown overboard, the only part of the fish inwards kept was cod livers, everything else from the guts and hearts went back into the sea and that's what the gulls were after. There was practically no by catch then as the mesh was too big and those old trawl nets were kept off the bottom. You mate are an ignorant twat.
Great videos.The books "The Set Of The Sails" and "Cruise Of The Conrad" by Alan Villiers and "The Last Grain Race" by Eric Newby are well worth a read.Many thanks.
Take heart my good man, the age of sale is alive and well. Check out the Black Pearl! I will bet you $20 at this narrator is going to be stoked when he finds out that they can generate electricity by backpedaling the propeller
My granddad (Alexander Holden AKA Pazzy) on my mother's side was an engineer on the Fleetwood trawlers all his working life ... 20's - 30's - 40's, my dad had a few initial trips before moving to ICI Thornton, and many of my extended family sailed from Fleetwood (where I was also born) and worked in and around Fleetwood Docks (Wyre & Fish) including the slipway ... I even recognised the house he called home ... I too went to sea, and joined the Submarine Service 77 - 96 ... loads of memories & family missed.
Wonderful video... Very nastalgic.. My father sailed on the L'Avenir out of Antwerp many, many years ago. She was just like Pamir and the rest of the 4 masted Barques shown.. Thank you ......
Interesting footage! Is it possible for me to use and share this footage on my youtube page? I share footage from all kind of activities on our ocean. Cargo ships in the 1960s till now, oil rigs, fishing vessels, etc. Of course full credit will be given to the owner of the footage. Looking forward to your reply. Kind regards. Cheers.
Having sailed in side trawlers in the 70’s this is the first documentary I have seen of a ship using the port gear .the gullies always seem to know when a trawler is hauling.Roly🇬🇧.
I was a Deckie Learner (Brassy) in the early 1970’s …. Did my Pre-Sea training at the Fleetwood Nautical College …. My first training trip was on the Resolute … one of Wards boats … upon finishing my training I was on the Marretta …. one of J.Marr & sons boats ….. unfortunately the fishing industry was decimated in the U.K when Iceland achieved their 250mile exclusion zone ….. I was lucky enough to be part of the historical life of Fleetwood as I was from Manchester …. I’m approaching 70 years old now and still think about the time I was on the Trawlers …. Obviously all the old hands I sailed with will have passed away by now … R.I.P. Shipmates.
Still quite a few ex trawlermen (homewaters and deep sea) knocking about...I worked on a prawner mid 70's for a few trips a lot of my mates at the time were fishing Iceland....
These cocky young adventurers considered themselves the elite of the world, moving the most important materials around it that the rest of the human race needed to prosper, indeed survive. Among the disdainful nicknames they had for soft, stay-at-home landsmen were Scissorwalkers, Pollywogs.. Some, less printable.
I feel sorry for kids these days , I've never been to sea but I've had a few jobs where you rely on the crew and learn to sort the banter from the wisdom , get some hard skin on your hands and muck under your fingernails . Great video 👍🇬🇧
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?
Greate! I´m so happy I´ve found that video - thaks a lot for loadig it up. We have to keep this for later generations - those memorys have to stay for ever.
the amazing thing is if we were going to go down this road again , it would take a fraction of the rigging and manpower with no doubt very little pollution and cost. but until the world population doesnt need their weekend fun toys to be delivered overnight, this type of slow trade would be limited to bulk commodities. shippers would have to sacrifice time for money. with the proper logistical planning.. who knows?
Interesting to me that this was filmed by Col. Wirgman! I was fortunate to have been able to shoot competitively while in the Marine Corp many years ago. There is a team event, which we won one year-the trophy for which is the Wirgman trophy! When I saw the name in the opening credits, I did a double take! Turns out, it is in fact the same Col. Wirgman from that trophy all those years ago! Here is a little information on the trophy that bears his name, if anyone is interested: "The poor standing of small post and stations competing for the Elliott Trophy, prompted Lieutenant Colonel Harold F. Wirgman to present to the Marine Corps the trophy that bears his name. Wirgman long associated with Marine Corps Marksmanship, mainly in organizing teams and promoting shooting. During the period following World War I, Wirgman handled the team arrangements at Wakefield and Camp Perry. The Trophy was placed in competition in 1926 for east coast units with complements under 300. Today the strength of post must be less than 60. The Match consists of a team from post competing in Eastern and Southeastern Division Rifle Match. Team consist of 4 shooting members, with at least one officer as a shooting member, and at least 1 enlisted member who has not competed in any Elliott, San Diego, Wirgman, or Inter-Division or Marine Corps National Rifle Team. The Match consists of firing the rifle course twice, and shall be fired in 2 days. The Trophy is retained by the Commanding Officer of winning post for 1 year, and a gold badge awarded to each firing member of winning team." The above quote was taken from wwmcmillan dot info
Thank you.!!!!! No words to express my feelings on this subject. As an ocean lover, sailor and shipping, logistics entrepreneur, these are jewels for my remembrances.
@@seanbyrne4512 this way of life … as you put it was long gone before even the thought of Brexit came into existence … this was the distant water deep sea fishing industry … they had been fishing these, our traditional fishing grounds in international waters for generations before we were betrayed by our own government into giving them up … I was visiting Iceland earlier this year (2024) and I was talking to an Icelandic ex fisherman about the same age as me (71 years old) who was also on the (Icelandic) trawlers around the same time as me and he told me that they only had to go about 50 miles from the mouth of their fjord and they could catch around 20 tonnes of fish within a few days … I asked him if that’s so … then why did they need a 250 mile exclusion zone which cut off our traditional fishing grounds and decimated our fishing industry back in the 1970’s … and in doing so destroyed thousands of jobs and livelihoods in villages … towns and cities around the UK …. He didn’t have an answer … he just shrugged his shoulders and walked away ….. The fishermen of today voted for Brexit because they were being unfairly treated by the EU who favoured their own fishing industry interests (and still do) over our own … all that you see these days in the cute little seaside towns of Brixham and the like are the inshore fishing boats or near water fishing boats that go out fishing for a maximum of 3 or 4 days or so … some only go out for one day … back in the days of the Deep Sea Trawlers it usually took 3 days just to reach the fishing grounds and we usually stayed out (in all weathers) working an 18 hour day for around 25 days or until we filled the hold up with fish ….
If you want to see the old 16 fps footage in the right pace and not see the sailors dance like Charley Chaplin on deck, slow the speed to 66%. Do it, it's amazing!
Yes, but for Viking 16 knots where the top speed, and not necessarily in a direct line A modern Container Ship, like the Triple E-Class cruise at 16 knots, direct line, and with A LOT MORE cargo! The trip that took three months aboard Viking, can be done in less than 3 weeks today!
Never a fast sailer, ...14-16 knots lol through the cape! Those absolute madmen. ... just shows you what the standard of those windjammers was because that is a fast sailer!
For a boat that size, 14-16 knots isn't that fast. The max theoretical speed of a displacement hull is about 1.5 times the square root of the waterline length regardless of how much sail is piled on or how high the wind speed. Clippers approached that. Some windjammers could approach it but these early 20th century ships were built or refitted to maximize cargo capacity, not speed. Sadly, the railroads and steam engines relegated the last of the truly fast tall ships, even the clippers, to that ignoble end and even they never saw that kind of speed again.
This is why I get upset when I hear people say that steam took over because they were faster than sailing ships. This is rubbish as they were not. Given a fair wind most sailing ships could leave the steamers well astern. The truth is that the steam ships could set their course independently of the wind and take the short cuts.
@@Kimdino1 With modern sail plans capable of pointing higher, auxiliary power and modern materials, I wonder why sail couldn't make a comeback. Probably just cheaper to build a piece of semi-disposable, oil burning crap. By the time oil gets too expensive, they'll start using nuclear or hydrogen fuel cells. Now, if ultra high efficiency, flexible solar panels could be used as sail material......
@@petem.3719 I'm already with you on most of that, mate. I know from experience that shipowners are amongst the biggest pennypinchers going when it comes to fuel bills. Germany, USA & Japan have all tried nuclear power and failed for various reasons, the German 'Otto Hahn' was the most successful of these. But the USSR did make a success, maybe because their nuclear ships operate in an isolated environment & the programme was initially maintained with massive government subsidy. They have a nuclear powered LASH carrier that has been operating for many decades now as well as several icebreakers. Hydrogen power was tried with airliners but failed because of lack of infrastructure. I think the same might apply to ships, though a company operating a simple liner route might find it manageable. But on to the point - Using sail power is under development but the most promising developments look nothing like the flappy-bits-on-sticks that we are used to. Maersk & Airbus have been trialling a kite sail arrangement where the sail operates at high altitude where the wind is much stronger. Also, the 'Maltese Falcon' is interesting but this is a private yacht.
ls the narrator, here Captain Sven Joffs? lf not, it sure sounds like his voice. He sailed as young seaman aboard "Pamir," which won the last grain race, in 1939, detailed in the book of the same name by Eric Newby. Newby sailed aboard "Moshulu." l knew Sven when we were both sailboat captains in the same boatyard. l was young and he was not. lt was obvious to all of us that he knew and had seen more ocean than all the rest of us, combined.
Yes to your first question, no to the second. The steel, grain (sailing) ships of the 1930s were still commercially profitable or they wouldn't have existed. The last grain races were from Australia to the UK, in 1939. They ended permanently with the outbreak of WWll.
The owners made absolute fortunes off the backs of the slaves that worked in outrageously dangerous and bad conditions trawling at sea. This aspect of the ''industry'' is never spoken about a lot...but it was very real. Very real indeed.
I enjoyed every minute of my time on fishing boats, working with proper men was a pleasure. After it collapsed I had to leave Grimsby, go south and spent the rest of my career in construction, but it was like working with children, "hard bricklayers, groundworkers, plasterers and scaffolders" ha I've shit better.
Conspicuously absent from the scene with all the 'Gulls is the explanation that the birds and other sea life are there & attracted to the boat because of the huge amount of by-catch & "discards" that are going over the sides as well as being thrown over-board. Long line hauling for Hake in the North Sea can be extremely in-efficient with upwards of 60% of all catches being by-catch or discards.
Oh a little knowledge is a dangerous thing mate, well it is in your case. The mollies (gulls) are there for the offal that was thrown overboard, the only part of the fish inwards kept was cod livers, everything else from the guts and hearts went back into the sea and that's what the gulls were after. There was practically no by catch then as the mesh was too big and those old trawl nets were kept off the bottom. You mate are an ignorant twat.
Amazing, those ships were like built like battleships but from wood, i wish i knew more of the construction and design analytics.
very intresting watch i would of loved a chance at sea on one of them boats.. what port was they sailing out of there
Fleetwood
Thank you! Never again will I be able to just casually walk past Viking where she’s docked in the harbour.
Great videos.The books "The Set Of The Sails" and "Cruise Of The Conrad" by Alan Villiers and "The Last Grain Race" by Eric Newby are well worth a read.Many thanks.
Wonderful really enjoyed that thank you
I was a deckie in 1983,
Get rid of that narrator
Yes the wind is free but it did cost many lives and many more before the art of sail was perfected
Amazing work and life you’ve lived. Great video and many more great years to you.
Take heart my good man, the age of sale is alive and well. Check out the Black Pearl! I will bet you $20 at this narrator is going to be stoked when he finds out that they can generate electricity by backpedaling the propeller
My granddad (Alexander Holden AKA Pazzy) on my mother's side was an engineer on the Fleetwood trawlers all his working life ... 20's - 30's - 40's, my dad had a few initial trips before moving to ICI Thornton, and many of my extended family sailed from Fleetwood (where I was also born) and worked in and around Fleetwood Docks (Wyre & Fish) including the slipway ... I even recognised the house he called home ... I too went to sea, and joined the Submarine Service 77 - 96 ... loads of memories & family missed.
Glad you enjoyed the film, my family fished out of Hull, and the Helyer’s had huge fishing industry there, all my relatives.
Tough job
Wonderful video... Very nastalgic.. My father sailed on the L'Avenir out of Antwerp many, many years ago. She was just like Pamir and the rest of the 4 masted Barques shown.. Thank you ......
That was excellent really enjoyed it.
Interesting footage! Is it possible for me to use and share this footage on my youtube page? I share footage from all kind of activities on our ocean. Cargo ships in the 1960s till now, oil rigs, fishing vessels, etc. Of course full credit will be given to the owner of the footage. Looking forward to your reply. Kind regards. Cheers.
Yes of course.
@@davidmaddick4258do you know who are the makers or owners from this video? Thanks!
Having sailed in side trawlers in the 70’s this is the first documentary I have seen of a ship using the port gear .the gullies always seem to know when a trawler is hauling.Roly🇬🇧.
The difference between a teenager then and now is astonishing! And quite sad to be honest.
I was a Deckie Learner (Brassy) in the early 1970’s …. Did my Pre-Sea training at the Fleetwood Nautical College …. My first training trip was on the Resolute … one of Wards boats … upon finishing my training I was on the Marretta …. one of J.Marr & sons boats ….. unfortunately the fishing industry was decimated in the U.K when Iceland achieved their 250mile exclusion zone ….. I was lucky enough to be part of the historical life of Fleetwood as I was from Manchester …. I’m approaching 70 years old now and still think about the time I was on the Trawlers …. Obviously all the old hands I sailed with will have passed away by now … R.I.P. Shipmates.
Great reply thank you.
Still quite a few ex trawlermen (homewaters and deep sea) knocking about...I worked on a prawner mid 70's for a few trips a lot of my mates at the time were fishing Iceland....
This is A MASTER VIDEO ! MUCH RESPECT 🤠🖖
These cocky young adventurers considered themselves the elite of the world, moving the most important materials around it that the rest of the human race needed to prosper, indeed survive. Among the disdainful nicknames they had for soft, stay-at-home landsmen were Scissorwalkers, Pollywogs.. Some, less printable.
Thank you, great sailing ship, nice film.
Greatness.
The great grain race. From South Australia across the roaring 40s to Cape Horn. The last stand of sail that ended in 1939. Wonderful movie.
The late writer Eric Newby, from Hammersmith UK, wrote “The Last Grain Race” about his time as a crew member of the Moshalou.
Brilliant I wish the people alive today would understand the skills and knowledge these guys had and get off their phones
good luck !!! 2 + 2 = what ???
The tape just stopped, at 44:36 Why, is this?? What happened to it????
I feel sorry for kids these days , I've never been to sea but I've had a few jobs where you rely on the crew and learn to sort the banter from the wisdom , get some hard skin on your hands and muck under your fingernails . Great video 👍🇬🇧
Bet they stank at times from all that fish - hope the soap was effective or the GF wouldn't want them near 🙂
Narrated by Alvar Lidell.
I went to sea at 16, had crossed the Atlantic Ocean twice on a Full Rigged ship before I turned 18
Wow I think you have some great stories to tell.
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?
Greate! I´m so happy I´ve found that video - thaks a lot for loadig it up. We have to keep this for later generations - those memorys have to stay for ever.
the amazing thing is if we were going to go down this road again , it would take a fraction of the rigging and manpower with no doubt very little pollution and cost. but until the world population doesnt need their weekend fun toys to be delivered overnight, this type of slow trade would be limited to bulk commodities. shippers would have to sacrifice time for money. with the proper logistical planning.. who knows?
Interesting to me that this was filmed by Col. Wirgman! I was fortunate to have been able to shoot competitively while in the Marine Corp many years ago. There is a team event, which we won one year-the trophy for which is the Wirgman trophy! When I saw the name in the opening credits, I did a double take! Turns out, it is in fact the same Col. Wirgman from that trophy all those years ago! Here is a little information on the trophy that bears his name, if anyone is interested: "The poor standing of small post and stations competing for the Elliott Trophy, prompted Lieutenant Colonel Harold F. Wirgman to present to the Marine Corps the trophy that bears his name. Wirgman long associated with Marine Corps Marksmanship, mainly in organizing teams and promoting shooting. During the period following World War I, Wirgman handled the team arrangements at Wakefield and Camp Perry. The Trophy was placed in competition in 1926 for east coast units with complements under 300. Today the strength of post must be less than 60. The Match consists of a team from post competing in Eastern and Southeastern Division Rifle Match. Team consist of 4 shooting members, with at least one officer as a shooting member, and at least 1 enlisted member who has not competed in any Elliott, San Diego, Wirgman, or Inter-Division or Marine Corps National Rifle Team. The Match consists of firing the rifle course twice, and shall be fired in 2 days. The Trophy is retained by the Commanding Officer of winning post for 1 year, and a gold badge awarded to each firing member of winning team." The above quote was taken from wwmcmillan dot info
Thank you.!!!!! No words to express my feelings on this subject. As an ocean lover, sailor and shipping, logistics entrepreneur, these are jewels for my remembrances.
The fishermen of today voted for Brexit , to put a stop to this way of life , they succeeded,
@@seanbyrne4512 this way of life … as you put it was long gone before even the thought of Brexit came into existence … this was the distant water deep sea fishing industry … they had been fishing these, our traditional fishing grounds in international waters for generations before we were betrayed by our own government into giving them up … I was visiting Iceland earlier this year (2024) and I was talking to an Icelandic ex fisherman about the same age as me (71 years old) who was also on the (Icelandic) trawlers around the same time as me and he told me that they only had to go about 50 miles from the mouth of their fjord and they could catch around 20 tonnes of fish within a few days … I asked him if that’s so … then why did they need a 250 mile exclusion zone which cut off our traditional fishing grounds and decimated our fishing industry back in the 1970’s … and in doing so destroyed thousands of jobs and livelihoods in villages … towns and cities around the UK …. He didn’t have an answer … he just shrugged his shoulders and walked away ….. The fishermen of today voted for Brexit because they were being unfairly treated by the EU who favoured their own fishing industry interests (and still do) over our own … all that you see these days in the cute little seaside towns of Brixham and the like are the inshore fishing boats or near water fishing boats that go out fishing for a maximum of 3 or 4 days or so … some only go out for one day … back in the days of the Deep Sea Trawlers it usually took 3 days just to reach the fishing grounds and we usually stayed out (in all weathers) working an 18 hour day for around 25 days or until we filled the hold up with fish ….
If you want to see the old 16 fps footage in the right pace and not see the sailors dance like Charley Chaplin on deck, slow the speed to 66%. Do it, it's amazing!
Wage sometimes bad as we was payed on the share basis.
A glimpse of nautical history and a way of life.
Beautiful 👍
When men were men.
Nice. Lost art.
Much appreciated thank you David.
When a Boatswain Mate was god
14-16 knots... most modern merchant ships cruise at this speed. Have we really moved on?
Yes, but for Viking 16 knots where the top speed, and not necessarily in a direct line A modern Container Ship, like the Triple E-Class cruise at 16 knots, direct line, and with A LOT MORE cargo! The trip that took three months aboard Viking, can be done in less than 3 weeks today!
Brilliant thanks.🇬🇧
Never a fast sailer, ...14-16 knots lol through the cape! Those absolute madmen. ... just shows you what the standard of those windjammers was because that is a fast sailer!
For a boat that size, 14-16 knots isn't that fast. The max theoretical speed of a displacement hull is about 1.5 times the square root of the waterline length regardless of how much sail is piled on or how high the wind speed. Clippers approached that. Some windjammers could approach it but these early 20th century ships were built or refitted to maximize cargo capacity, not speed. Sadly, the railroads and steam engines relegated the last of the truly fast tall ships, even the clippers, to that ignoble end and even they never saw that kind of speed again.
@@petem.3719 I am well aware it wasn't fast for the type mate, that's why I referred to the standard of the breed!
This is why I get upset when I hear people say that steam took over because they were faster than sailing ships. This is rubbish as they were not. Given a fair wind most sailing ships could leave the steamers well astern. The truth is that the steam ships could set their course independently of the wind and take the short cuts.
@@Kimdino1 With modern sail plans capable of pointing higher, auxiliary power and modern materials, I wonder why sail couldn't make a comeback. Probably just cheaper to build a piece of semi-disposable, oil burning crap. By the time oil gets too expensive, they'll start using nuclear or hydrogen fuel cells. Now, if ultra high efficiency, flexible solar panels could be used as sail material......
@@petem.3719 I'm already with you on most of that, mate. I know from experience that shipowners are amongst the biggest pennypinchers going when it comes to fuel bills. Germany, USA & Japan have all tried nuclear power and failed for various reasons, the German 'Otto Hahn' was the most successful of these. But the USSR did make a success, maybe because their nuclear ships operate in an isolated environment & the programme was initially maintained with massive government subsidy. They have a nuclear powered LASH carrier that has been operating for many decades now as well as several icebreakers. Hydrogen power was tried with airliners but failed because of lack of infrastructure. I think the same might apply to ships, though a company operating a simple liner route might find it manageable. But on to the point - Using sail power is under development but the most promising developments look nothing like the flappy-bits-on-sticks that we are used to. Maersk & Airbus have been trialling a kite sail arrangement where the sail operates at high altitude where the wind is much stronger. Also, the 'Maltese Falcon' is interesting but this is a private yacht.
I liked this video.
ls the narrator, here Captain Sven Joffs? lf not, it sure sounds like his voice. He sailed as young seaman aboard "Pamir," which won the last grain race, in 1939, detailed in the book of the same name by Eric Newby. Newby sailed aboard "Moshulu." l knew Sven when we were both sailboat captains in the same boatyard. l was young and he was not. lt was obvious to all of us that he knew and had seen more ocean than all the rest of us, combined.
I highly recommend the book, it is a great read.
The first and third clips are Captain Karl Kåhre, according to the accolade.
A complete novice talking here... but weren't there engines & locomotion for ships by 1930? I mean they weren't doing it to be cool were they????
Yes to your first question, no to the second. The steel, grain (sailing) ships of the 1930s were still commercially profitable or they wouldn't have existed. The last grain races were from Australia to the UK, in 1939. They ended permanently with the outbreak of WWll.
The owners made absolute fortunes off the backs of the slaves that worked in outrageously dangerous and bad conditions trawling at sea. This aspect of the ''industry'' is never spoken about a lot...but it was very real. Very real indeed.
I enjoyed every minute of my time on fishing boats, working with proper men was a pleasure. After it collapsed I had to leave Grimsby, go south and spent the rest of my career in construction, but it was like working with children, "hard bricklayers, groundworkers, plasterers and scaffolders" ha I've shit better.