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It's important to remember that health insurance and health care aren't the same things. Also it's the government interventions that have created the bad incentives, not the market. People who cry for more government intervention don't seem to realize this connection.

The tradeoffs made in Europe seem to be working out better for them than the tradeoffs we've made. Excepting the UK.

Care is always rationed, yes. In other developed countries, care is rationed by need. In the US, care is rationed by the wealth

I think something that is often not discussed by the conservative side is the amount of resources that are spent on just paper pushing. People specifically devoted (and often well compensated) to making it more difficult for people to receive proper care. The reason this annoys me is because we are often understaffed as hospitals across the board. We need far more nurses, doctors, and other specialties. Not more people in finance, Human Resources, and administration. Health Insurers are the ugly middlemen. They are like Car Dealerships, operating as gatekeepers. Also, I get really annoyed when people confuse have health insurance with health care. These are very different concepts. And just because you have health insurance doesn't mean you will receive timely or quality healthcare.

Our privatized system costs us 25%+ more than it should, due to the additional administrative costs of trying to link everything. Single-payer would cut costs by at least 25% with the administrative efficiency alone. Not to mention actual price adjustments to meds and such. We can’t compete with Japanese automakers, largely due to our insurance.

The tradeoff is making rich people wait a bit for their hypocondria while lives that matter are saved.

whole video = u r all cooked = go bankrupt.

Arguing that health insurance has low profit margins misses the point. The profit margin on a needed service should be zero. Enough to adequately pay the people doing the work and nothing left over for shareholders. Even a small margin is insane when you insure over 50 million people for an expensive service and then they make it more expensive by adding excessive administration on it to jack up the cost, which in turn increases the profit margin. This isn't some minor inconvenience, they are killing people with bureaucracy. Just about every system in any peer country is better than what the US healthcare system offers the average American.

I’m here with the hopes that my comment is read by KMW.

The religious like fanaticism of libertarians become very visible here..

Imagine being so invested in a clearly absurd world view as these libertarians..

*All of these people are ignorant, despicable, and probably are in situations where they never have to worry about their healthcare.*

This take is extremely dishonest, "over consumed" is a dishonest fear mongering, when what's happening in US is real ppl died from denied healthcare, a waiting list of public healthcare compared to private healthcare system that deny ppl healthcare for profit, and here is one dishonest liar defending the for profit system that breeds parasites that sucks on ppl's life for billions of profit.... the inefficiency of private healthcare system is glaringly obvious in the form of the billions of profit of health insurance and "healthcare service" agents that do nothing but leech off the system.

So its better to just have life saving surgeries put you into crippling debt

Health ins cos deny care by a book. Drs/nurses have this book. The book is written and distributed by a lobbying group call the AIP.

These ‘commenters’ are insufferable.

Bullshit. You're saying its better for rich people to have the best Healthcare rather than those who need it the most like we have in Canada?

Yes care is rationed everywhere, but not by super-greedy for-profit companies with a massive conflict of interest

Delusional, grossly misinformed or a grifting bad actor. Those are the my conclusions from listening to that man’s utter bullshit drivel.

I'm from a country with public healthcare ( spain). I've seen doctors an hospitals a lot the last year because my father was dying. He died last year at 94 years!!! The waiting are real ,for exemple , last week I had to wait 3 hours for a doctor But I've never paid to visit a doctor. The only thing is diagnostics like x-ray you have to wait depend on the necessity, 15 days to 2 month for something not urgent. A lot of people I'm one of them, we have a compliment private for test like : x-rays, dentist .... if you don't want to wait for that It's not perfect , but it's all right

At common law, which is a very libertarian body of law, public necessities and public callings could be regulated. One of the reasons for this authority is to offset conflicts of interests, to deal with gouging and denial of necessities to people. This is based on human nature and human experience. Regulating health insurance, hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical companies is necessary to assure care is available the vast majority of the time. There is no perfect system. But capitalism doesn't work when serious conflicts of interests exist, which is the nature of health care.

I'll rephrase the logic: The reality is clear, our system is good because first of all its american and we are free so therefore because we are good and free, there is no otherway, anything else is against our world view and so we have to force it to work. so while the medicial insurance system is bloated where it would be cheaper if a patient had no insurance there is simply no better way. public health care would host way too much because its already the most expensive? can you imagine if we cover everyone under this system? I can't see to see why anyone else woudl want a system to be funded where health care is 1 affordable and 2 the rich could get their private healthcare where they have to actually provide something better. no thats absurd why would that even be possible only a socialist authoritarian government could every think of that. better fund the miltary while we police the world spreading our good will, a burger and a gallaon of soda anybody?

From Finland here. These claims/arguments against universal public healthcare are a joke at best and inhuman at worst. There is only one realistic argument against it and its personal greed which basically goes like this: "I am healthy now so why should i pay for someone elses healthcare?". Simply put: you are not. Everyone is paying for everyones healthcare so that no single individual will have to A) forego treatment that they need B) be financially crippled by the cost of the treatment.

Administration costs for the US healthcare system, insurance companies, are about 18%. In other countries those costs are as low as 2%. Without changing anything except for moving insurance to one government run system, we would save 16% on the cost of care. Total cost for insurance is like $50k+ per year factoring in employer portion, so 16% would save you $8000 per year. Then there are the profits that insurance companies make that wouldn't be necessary in a government run system. Health insurance companies profit about $30B per year, which we would also save. Add to that the streamlining of a system to 1 payer will reduce a lot of the administrative burden on providers who won't have to back and forth with a bunch of different companies with different policies and procedures and you're looking at even more savings.

Evidence shows that the US not only pays more per capita for healthcare than any other country on earth, but receives increasingly diminished quality of care as a function of the degree to which the healthcare system is made for-profit. Medicare Part C is privatized and demonstrably worse, denying far more claims than Part A or B, despite having to pay more for it. Tell anyone in the US that in 1949 and 1954 the US was extremely close to passing a Universal Healthcare act and they wont believe you. Tell them that Congressman Strom Thurmond and friends set fear into the hearts of the public by hiring an up and coming movie star, Ronald Regan, to star in a commercial calling the bills socialist, despite their bipartisan support, and people may begin to understand why this country's healthcare system is so appalling.

I'm with Kaiser Permanente, and I don't think I have ever had a claim denied.

The Insurance industry bribes Republicans, Democrats and the news industry with blood money that was earned from murdering folks for profits. No one gets away with murder like a cop, insurance employees, and those who ignore, mislead, or cover up the wrongdoing for the blood money that comes in the form of advertisement dollars and political donations. The entire news industry is complicit of murder and has been paid with blood money earned off of advertisement dollars that was earned off of murdering for profits.

Visit Taiwan and you will realize that everything you said is wrong.

Look ma the shit heads are talking

A doctor shortage or doctors being over or under paid is a for profit education issue and also an issue with the fact that we live in a post fact society the only part that ties to good faith actor burnout is also the insane for profit motive magnified by big pharma and private insurance industry which shouldn’t exist

From the Netherlands here. Just last weekend I wanted to see a doctor, and I got an appointment for 3hrs later. I did have to wait for maybe an hour in the waiting room, as usually is the case at the emergency phycisian. For me if the trade off is between waiing lists, or foregoing care because I cannot affod it, I choose waiting lists. For example: If I ever break my leg when vistiing the US, I'll fly home first before entering the US health care system.

Canadians do not wait weeks to see the regular doctor. Every sensationalist headline you hacks have ever skimmed claiming otherwise was in reference to specialist care. Americans also wait to see specialists, they’re special. In fact, in America thanks to private health insurance many people wait longer than is needed because the required specialist is out of network. It’s a very simple supply & demand problem that one side of this healthcare “argument” purposely ignores cause they’re more interested in creating winners & losers than helping.

Guy lays out how socialists get it wrong. Socialists show up and spew idiotic debunked talking points and random anecdotes claiming he is wrong without ever proving how he got anything wrong. Predictable leftist idiocy

Our system is clearly a terrible way of mediating those trade off

Wait times are only for elective care. You are lying. Everyone knows how bad the health insurance is. Running interference for the insurance companies shows what terrible people you are.

Your summary of the UK health care system is disingenuous to the point of being a lie. Emergency health care is essentially instant in the UK (and totally free at point of use). A GP appointment can take a week or two to obtain, but you can go to a walk-in centre if you don't want to wait. There are long waits for elective surgical procedures, that is true. But frankly I'd rather have our system with some delays, than one that means I put off looking for medical treatment because of the cost.

An Ipsos poll in 2018 found 85% of Democrats and 53 % of independents said that Russia meddled in the election. People believe what they want to believe!

Hey the comment section is hopeful.. as well the first guy is just using the ol' BS talking points that are easily debunked by people living in such systems..