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Houellebecq, Tocqueville, Democracy
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Excerpt from an interview by Sylvain B.
-Whatever the merits of the metaphysical underpinnings of Nietzsche's thought, his greatest fear was indeed the creeping mediocrity brought about by democratic freedom and universal equality. "The wasteland grows," Nietzsche wrote, and by that he meant that the devastation was growing wider. Today Houellebecq is living witness to the horrible truth: 180 years after Tocquevilles prediction, the devastation is near-complete and Europe has entered the phase of the last man. Caught up in it, one wonders at just how easily the devastation of the earth goes hand in hand with an almost guaranteed medium or high living ...
Excerpt from an interview by Sylvain B.
-Whatever the merits of the metaphysical underpinnings of Nietzsche's thought, his greatest fear was indeed the creeping mediocrity brought about by democratic freedom and universal equality. "The wasteland grows," Nietzsche wrote, and by that he meant that the devastation was growing wider. Today Houellebecq is living witness to the horrible truth: 180 years after Tocquevilles prediction, the devastation is near-complete and Europe has entered the phase of the last man. Caught up in it, one wonders at just how easily the devastation of the earth goes hand in hand with an almost guaranteed medium or high living ...
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sarai saggio tu
@@jamelelaraj9901 grazie 😆
so H; tell me about T: "ah....uhm....ahh...wait i'll read something by T." This is something a high school student would answer if he didn't have an answer.
cute. i like the long pause. hehe.
Page 836 dans l'édition de la Pleiade
sr. Houellebecq, muy señor mío: Personalmente, mas que avecinar ó imaginar una Francia “sumisa” ante la ocupación que se da a entender de tipo cultural musulmana, la vería mas bien presidida por un Francés de origen Angoleño, Magrebí , Portugues ó Indio …en cualquier época venidera por ser madre de las democracias y poseedora de la libertad y la fraternidad. Por esta vía democrática por el momento no sería posible por el porcentaje total de emigrantes del 12,45% de la población total del país. Le diré por qué su teoría no es nada creíble ( a no ser que se la propuesto presentar una obra increíble ), es por que en los propios países árabes en la actualidad el mantener el “status” de la influencia religiosa en los gobiernos se presenta como ardua tarea teniendo que ceder en varios aspectos muchos dirigentes para seguir al frente de sus gobiernos y para mantener un orden publico acorde a estos tiempos ( cabe mencionar entre otros hechos los derechos de la mujer, la cesión de carteras ministeriales a los parlamentos, formación de partidos políticos …). Difícilmente se accedería al poder través de la cultura del Islam en cualquier estado democrático puesto que precisamente ésta, está concebida fuera del estricto ámbito religiosos como una democracia ( ley justa , equitativa para todos con sus derechos y limitaciones ). Igual que el poder Occidental se ha ido despojando de la sombría cortina de la religiosidad ( el poder eclesiástico ) en los tiempos de la modernización , al auge de la ciencia y la industrialización, el oriental tiende a evolucionar en el mismo sentido a pesar de la firme , constante y poderosa oposición de unos intereses contrarios. Todo llegará ( con ayuda de la mujer Francesa que dispuesta a ser hombre se le olvida de tener hijos, con ayuda de los hombres Franceses que apenas si se dignan ya a realizar trabajos decadentes y serviles, con la ayuda de ambos por hacer que el numero de divorcios supere al de los casamientos, por mérito de esa clase obrera emigrada y marginada que se ha sacrificado para que su descendencia pudiera acceder a una universidad y luchar de igual a igual por la supervivencia )…..pero sin “sumisión” , través de la vía del derecho, la justicia y las urnas levantando las mismas banderas, cantando los mismos himnos pero con diferentes líderes que podrán ser y sin que a nadie le importune ni física ni mentalmente ( puesto que estaríamos preparados culturalmente ) de color ó del otro color sin trascender en absoluto que vaya a adorar quien sea un viernes , un sábado ó un domingo, todos ellos ó ninguno.
La parole est d'argent, le silence est d'or - comment mieux définir ce doc' sauf le respect que je lui dois .. ;-)
If you want this passage to make more sense, the "Democracy" in "America" (the u.s.) he is describing is Capitalism. See Marx for further explication.
It's kinda obvious it describes capitalism, considering everything now is about money, not democracy.
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I feel compelled recently to build my personal case on Houellebecq, only as a consequence of some creeping idea from consciousness of Bolaño, and this video makes him seem like a more or less conscious guy *EDIT* or was, in 2011, as it seems he has metamorphosed into the standard slow-brained, insecure old western white guy. But his so-called fans, BARF! they are the worthy object of some satire, in 2019
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you are a smelly leftist st f you
Tout est dit Tocqueville q j’avais adoré et Houellebecq aussi France devenu un pays minable, grand remplacé, troupeau dirigé par des baby boomers degueulasses
lol ça croit au grand remplacement...
What part of the Democracy in America is this from?
K-PAX thank you!
The greatest European writer of the last 50 years. Céline and him, what a pair of frustrated bastards, but they changed literature for good and made the rest sound stupid and invalid.
dimmykarras c’est vrai 100% agree
100 / 100
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USA, AMERICA, is a REPUBLIC. Can't apply these analytics, though there are some aspects that make you want to.
Republic is a form of democracy in the case of USA so fuck off.
laideron.
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One of the greatest incels of our time.
He's not an incel
“He’s involuntarily celibate, it just so happens he’s had 3 wives” lmao
Pensez à Guillaume Tell, et à Epictéte , peut être .
Does anyone know where this extract is taken from ?
Nietzsche donne les causes "métaphysiques" de ce que Tocqueville observe pratiquement et dont il tire les effets (et non les causes) concrets à long terme. Leurs analyses ne se placent pas sur le même plan, ça ne fait pas sens de les comparer. Ce qui se vérifie quand Tocqueville commence par attribuer - et pour preuve de la stupéfaction qui est la sienne - des causes "accidentelles ou providentielles (...) au maintien de la république démocratique aux États-Unis.".
Vous lui donnez combien d'années dans la horde ? 5 ? 10 ? Ceci dit on ne peut savoir ce qu'aurait fait de lui sa mère dans un tel contexte, et rien n'empêche de se figurer Michel Houellebecq en dolichocéphale intrépide et impitoyable à la faveur d'un destin affectif moins violent.
Tocqueville c'est un bled imaginaire.
Non... Alexis-Henri-Charles Clérel, comte de Tocqueville, généralement appelé par convenance Alexis de Tocqueville, né à Paris le 29 juillet 1805, mort à Cannes le 16 avril 1859 est un philosophe politique, il a entrevu la naissance des démocraties modernes et les dangers qui les menacent. Son oeuvre demeure vivante et mérite d'être lue et savourée par tous les amateurs de belle prose et de grandes idées..... :-)
thank you for the translation
It's not the Bourmeau from lesInrocks, it's from surlering.com and it's by Marin de Viry and Pierre Poucet.
Great! Interesting how Tocqeville is (or was) an essential part of the political science curriculum as Adam Smith is (or was) for the economics curriculum and yet both authors are read so narrowly and so selectively and with such ideological bias by their readers and pedagogues. I really admire Houellebecq's analysis here.
Best 7 minutes on youtube.
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😂. No. This guy is a bullshitter. Sure, he is a great writer, but his pessimism is not that impressive, nor is it important. He writes as a critic of society, not a writer with any profound revelations. Rather, read his work, and critique it. If you really think his go goes somewhere, please let me know. It's more like society is his neighbors car that he borrows, and then smashes up after a night of drinking and whoring. Whatever. 😒 I have read three of his novels, "Submission", "Platform" and "Serotonin". I gave up after that. His misanthropy is is insufferable, and his prose is sterile. While his ideas are first rate, he is like a lot of French intellectuals. He perches with indifference, and then tries to write to shock. In French academia, to shock is to think, not like in most cases, where intellectuals do the opposite by thinking to shock. It might mean something if he did something with his message, but he doesn't believe in anything. How is that valuable? By all means, salivate if you must. But he really isn't that big of a deal. Good luck.
@@chopin65 nobody asked.
is it just me or has youtube subtitles disappeared ?
It's too bad Houellebecq's never commented on media technology in depth and the subversiveness it enables; it seems related to Tocqueville's thoughts. He must've read Marshal McLuhan.
Il est trop proche de l'état de nature ce mec, la vie en société lui va mal MAIS si on prend la thèse de J.Locke, on confie nos droits naturels a l'état afin que l'état nous les protègent mieux. Selon John, nous gardons ainsi ces droits et donnons le strict minimum à l'Etat. Peut être que Michel est plutôt partisan hobsien et pour lui, l'homme a sacrifié ses droits naturels (principalement de violence !) pour les confier au Léviathan (État) pour que lui seul ait le monopole de la violence ! Je suis d'accord avec Michel, on ressent toutefois un vide abyssale, l'impression d'avoir perdu l'essence même de l'humanité. Le syndrome du moule social ...
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Rien à ajouter, rien à retrancher.
I am trying to imagine what new features despotism might have in today’s world: I see an innumerable host of men, all alike and equal, endlessly hastening after petty and vulgar pleasures with which they fill their souls. Each of them, withdrawn into himself, is virtually a stranger to the fate of all the others. For him, his children and personal friends comprise the entire human race. As for the remainder of his fellow citizens, he lives alongside them but does not see them. He touches them but does not feel them. He exists only in himself and for himself, and if he still has a family, he no longer has a country. Over these men stands an immense tutelary power, which assumes sole responsibility for securing their pleasure and watching over their fate. It is absolute, meticulous, regular, provident, and mild. It would resemble paternal authority if only its purpose were the same, namely, to prepare men for manhood. But on the contrary, it seeks only to keep them in childhood irrevocably. It likes citizens to rejoice, provided they think only of rejoicing. It works willingly for their happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and takes care of their needs, facilitates their pleasures, manages their most important affairs, directs their industry, regulates their successions, and divides their inheritances. Why not relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and the difficulty of living?
why are you repeating the text?
Hauntingly beautiful and scarily prophetic...
New York le 17 octobre 2014 D-98765432345678 Renaud
"Democracy in America" recommended by Michel Houellebecq. Can I get in audiobook version. Professional version no Librivox. Merci.
***** lol @ "no librivox"... I know what you mean. I remember I downloaded Thus Spake Zarathustra off there and there were 10 or so different readers for all of the chapters, some of them barely spoke English, and pronounced it at the start of every chapter "by Frederick Neetchee" It is kind of a testament to this whole sphere of thought which brings itself back to the front of my mind, seeing all of these people doing jobs they don't want to do. I couldn't even enjoy listening to the chapter knowing this person was just really doing this reading to get some sort of credit for something.
kiitos. vem har translerat MH till svenska?
Then you are a tool if you believe that
Il est lucide pas triste, enfin la lucidité peut amener à être triste... J'aime bien Michel, j'y trouve mon compte...
Sorry, can't agree with you there. Hitchens was very fun to listen to, but you can't seriously claim he opened your eyes on anything (or am I presuming too much of you?). Houellebecq isn't out to convince anyone, he just thinks modern life is absurd and boring, and that nothing should be taken seriously. I honestly think Houellebecq is the more profound of the two. Also, taking cheap and unsubstiantiated shots at France makes you sond like a bit of an ass
I agree with you, that would be idiotic comparing Hitchens with Houellebecq. But all I said is was that France produced the one and England produced the other and I see that as being symptomatic of either country. Hitchens had a solid training and was actually useful in applying his skills ( his issue with religion was just a minor part of his work) and sure, literature needs authors like Houellebecq but you put Houellebecq in a conversation with any of the enemies Hitchen's faced and...pathetic
@Kevin Lossez Houellebecq is a great writer, maybe even an important one, but he is no orator. I even agree with most of what he has to say but it is so painful to hear him say it with his long pauses and his grunting, never mind the personal contradictions. My point is: sometimes I wish we could turn back time where we read authors, listen to artists or watch actors without knowing too much about their personal opinions or beliefs.
@Daquan Kostoglotovski He is a fantastic writer, no doubt.
just before getting "some stuff" from his bag, he said that he red Tocqueville again, a second time, 2 years ago.
Good thinking, Sherlock. Keep at it
@curiosofsigns. I followed your advise and looked it up. This is what I found at Merriam- Webster: "the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture..." Coincidence? Me thinks not.
It is incredible painful to listen to him. Not one original thought and, most important, if thought comes before speech, this guy thinks with the speed of a 10 year old. This is typical french: self-absorbed with a pinch of suicide and actually, pretentious. He is asked: "..what about Tocqueville?" His reply: "ehm...ehm...ehm...ehm I haven't read him in decades. But hey..I think I got some stuff of his in my ( wait for it!) backpack!" France produced Houellebecq and England produced Hitchens!
cry. You are nothing compared to him.
Does anyone have the subtitles?
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Mais a mon avis dans cette monde là, l´argent ca aide beaucoup. C´est vrai, on ai séduit par le gouvernement dans une certaine maniere, mais on peut vivre un peut plus. Et de fumer, ca réduit l´énergie! :-)
A mon avis Houellebecq n´a pas bien réagi, mais c´est seulement quelquechose que je pense parceque je l´ai vue sir video, je lui connai pas. La bonne maniere de réagier, c´est de lutter pour un vie riche, vrai et solidarisé (comme contraire d´un vie atomisé). C´est possible d´avoir une famille, c´est possible que les gens s´interesse pour l´autre ...
Le passage de tocqueville est très triste, très exacte et je suis tout a fait d´accord avec l´analyse. Ca vient très bien ensemble avec M. Foucault, qui a analysé cette manière de pouvoir doux. Mais si l´analyse est triste, Houellebecq est triste aussi. D´etre triste n´est rien mal et on ne peut pas lui condamner pout etre honnêtte et brave. MAIS COMMENT REAGIR A CETTE POUVOIR DOUX ET CETTE SITUATION TRISTE???
où es-tu michel?